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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

My TimesDaily Religion Forum Friend, GB, has asked how we, as Christians, view or interpret the Scripture passage found in 1 Corinthians 2:10-16.  This is a good passage for us to discuss -- for many people are still confused when we speak of the natural man, the carnal man, and the spiritual man.  What do these descriptive names tell us about the person?

In this Scripture passage, the apostle Paul is speaking to the believers at Corinth, for he addresses them as "brethren" in verse 1.    And, in 1 Corinthians 2:1:16 and 1 Corinthians 3:1-4, Paul defines the natural man, the carnal man, and the spiritual man.

1 Corinthians 2:9-16:   (9)"But as it is written: 'Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.'  (10) But God has revealed [them] to us through His Spirit.  For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.  (11) For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?  Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.  

(12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.  (13) These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit  teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  

(14) But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.  (15) But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is [rightly] judged by no one.  (16) For 'who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?'  But we have the mind of Christ."

1 Corinthians 3:1-3, "And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.  I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it.  Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly.  For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?"

Basically, we can say that the "natural" man is the non-believer, the man who is still very much in the world.  This is the atheist, the secularist, those in world religions including the occult or New Age religions, those in the cult churches, and it includes the vanilla-flavored non-believers.

The "carnal" man is a believer who is trying to walk with one foot in the world and the other foot in the body of Christ -- not wanting to fully give up either.  I believe we see this in many people, even preachers (as differentiated from the pastor/teachers) who see Christianity as a means to worldly wealth and material security.  In my personal opinion many of the "Name It And Claim It" Prosperity Theology preachers fall into this group.  And, there are others in more conservative theologies who are more subtle, but, just as material.

Let me use my dear Friend, Pastor Sam Lacanienta, and his wife, Ida, as an example of the truly "spiritual" pastoral family -- in contrast to the more material Christians.  I first met Pastor Sam and Ida in 1987, the year they led me to the Lord.  In all those years, Pastor Sam's full time commitment has been to be the best pastor/teacher he can be and to allow God's love to flow through him to everyone he meets.

That is what caught my attention when I first met him and what kept me coming to church, Sunday School, and Bible study long enough to become a Christian believer.  And, it is through his loving commitment as a pastor/teacher that he has been my mentor through the years; helping me to grow into a more mature "spiritual" Christian believer.

Day or night, rain or shine, if a person has a need -- Pastor Sam is there for visitation, for counseling, for guidance, to hold your hand in time of need, or to just to be silent with one who is hurting.  But, he is there, at all times, when there is a need.

How can he do this?  His wife, Ida, worked as a school teacher in an Orange County school district until her retirement a few years ago -- freeing Pastor Sam to be a full time pastor.  This is why I say they are an example of the truly "spiritual pastoral family."  They  work together for the Lord and accept only what He made possible for them -- in contrast to the "Name It And Claim It" pastors who drive Rolls Royces and live in mansions.  For them -- spiritual comes first -- and material as God provides.

The "spiritual" man is the believer, such as Pastor Sam and Ida, who has fully given his/her life over to Jesus Christ -- asking only,  "What would You have me do to further Your kingdom, Lord?"   Now, this does not mean that every believer is called to turn his/her back upon the world in the sense that he has to become a pastor, missionary, etc.   Many, many strong "spiritual" Christians display their spiritual walk with the Lord in their workplace -- whether it be as a worker, a manager, or a company president.  In their  work, in their life, we can see the Spirit of God shining through.  This is a "spiritual" Christian.

In the footnotes of my NASB Harper's Study Bible (Zondervan), there is a good explanation of the natural, carnal, and spiritual man:

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1 Corinthians 2:14 -- The term here (for natural man) is psychikos, and designates the man who is dominated by his psyche or natural "soul" (that individuality or life-principle that man shares with animals, although his [man's] soul is possessed of a higher order of intelligence).  The psychikos is the once-born man, the natural, fallen man, dead in trespasses and sins, without hope and without God (Ephesians 2:1, 12).

The natural man is to be carefully distinguished from what the Bible calls the carnal man.  The carnal (sarkikos) man is a Christian who is not fully surrendered to Christ and who lives largely under the domination of his fleshly nature (see 1 Corinthians 3:3).   But  the natural man is without spiritual discernment, blinded by the prince of this world [Lucifer/Satan] (John 12:40, 2 Corinthians 4:4, 1 John 2:11).

1 Corinthians 3:1 -- Scripture distinguishes between two kinds of Christian walks.  One walk if termed carnal and the other spiritual.  The carnal believer is a converted believer whose life is fleshly (sarkinos) because he is under the domination of the sarx or self-relying, self-pleasing nature.  Therefore he is not walking in full fellowship with the Lord Jesus nor is he wholly surrendered to the Spirit of God.  He is not spirit-filled, although he should be (Ephesians 5:18), nor does his life reflect the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

The spiritual (pneumatikos) Christian is one who life is yielded to God and whose will is in subjection to the will of God.  He is filled with the Spirit and men can see the evidence of spiritual vitality, for he produces the fruit of the Spirit in his life.

An unbeliever is not spoken of as either carnal or spiritual.  He is called a natural (psychikos) man. (See 1 Corinthians where he is called the natural man).

 

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My Friends, it is easy to discern the natural man, i.e., the non-believer -- from the believer.  However, discerning the carnal man from the spiritual man is more subtle most of the time.  That is why it is always good for each of us to look within ourselves to see which is our driving force -- God or the material world.  Are we comparing ourselves to Jesus Christ -- or to Bill Gates? 

 

If we are honest with ourselves in this; then we will know the adjustments which we must make to assure that we are walking as a spiritual man, a spiritual believer -- and not as a carnal believer.

Please feel free to share this with your Friends, Relatives, Associates, and Neighbors -- all your FRANs.  Let's keep examining ourselves with Him as our plumb line (Amos 7:7-9) and let's keep sharing the Word of God, the Gospel of Jesus Christ with all the  world -- until He returns.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi all,

 

It would appear that my Friends who are Christian believers already understand these different types of folks described in the Bible, which is good.  I will admit that, for a long time, I had trouble understanding the difference between a spiritual man, a carnal man, and a natural man.  However, many of us do discuss this in Bible study, so no real confusion.

 

And, for our secular/atheist/vanilla-flavored Friends -- I suppose it just flies right over their heads anyway.   So, all's well that ends well.   For my Christian Friends; keep the faith.  For my secular/atheist/vanilla-flavored Friends -- get some faith; it can save your eternal butts.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi Crusty,

 

And, that makes you. . . .?  Actually, my Friend, God's Word is never dead.  So, when it is shared by a believer, that, too, may linger -- but, it is never dead.   God's Word, when shared, will always be used to His glory -- in His time, at His place.   One plants the seeds, another waters and nourishes -- the Holy Spirit harvests.  I pray that one day He will be able to harvest the seed of salvation in you and Jimi.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Crusty, my Friend,

 

Jesus Christ tells all Christian believers, in Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 1:8, and Mark 16:15 -- to go into all the world and teach about salvation to all the lost of the world.   YOU are my project.  Care to learn more about His "free gift" of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9) and how you can attain it?  I will be honored to help you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Again, you could use some new adjectives. You have worn retarded out.

 

 

 

Your ungrateful. I was standing up for you and feeling sorry for you. I know what its like to be retarded. We had a little retarded pig when I was little and he was pityful. He was always bumping into stuff and doo dooing on hiself.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Crusty, my Friend,

 

Jesus Christ tells all Christian believers, in Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 1:8, and Mark 16:15 -- to go into all the world and teach about salvation to all the lost of the world.   YOU are my project.  Care to learn more about His "free gift" of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9) and how you can attain it?  I will be honored to help you.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

That's funny, Bill.  You need to worry about your own salvation.  I'm good.  Thanks anyway, and continue to have another blissed day.

quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
That's funny, Bill.  You need to worry about your own salvation.  I'm good.  Thanks anyway, and continue to have another blissed day.

Hi Crusty,

 

I am not sure I understand what you are telling me.   Are you saying that you are a born-again Christian and know that you have salvation, i.e., eternal life with Christ?  If so, that is wonderful.

 

On the other hand, if when you say, "I'm good" -- that means that you are not saved and do not care to be saved -- that, my Friend, is most certainly not good.

 

Would you care to clarify this for me?  I am sincerely interested.  For a person who does not have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ -- and who does not know if he will spend eternity with God -- does need the help of Christian believers.   You may reject our help -- but, that does not mean that you do not need it; only that you reject our help and you reject God.  I pray this is not the case.

 

Crusty, I promise you that if you will go to church next Sunday, all the hypocrites will slide over and make room for you.  There is always room for one more.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill, your shriveled heart, overblown ego, and hate mongering Jesus really have nothing to teach me.  My Jesus forgives your Jesus.  Hope you can get your own house in order in time to meet your maker.  You've got a lot of work to do.

 

Oh, and notice how nobody has yet to make a reply to your original post.  You've highjacked your own thread.  LOL.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, your shriveled heart, overblown ego, and hate mongering Jesus really have nothing to teach me.  My Jesus forgives your Jesus.  Hope you can get your own house in order in time to meet your maker.  You've got a lot of work to do.

 

Oh, and notice how nobody has yet to make a reply to your original post.  You've highjacked your own thread.  LOL.

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How 'bout that?

 

LOL

 

EPIC self-pwnage.

 

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, your shriveled heart, overblown ego, and hate mongering Jesus really have nothing to teach me.  My Jesus forgives your Jesus.  Hope you can get your own house in order in time to meet your maker.  You've got a lot of work to do.


Hi Crusty,

 

I know who my Jesus Christ is -- but, I am curious:  Just who is YOUR JESUS?

 

My Jesus Christ is found in the Bible, John 1:1-3.  Where can we find YOUR JESUS?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, your shriveled heart, overblown ego, and hate mongering Jesus really have nothing to teach me.  My Jesus forgives your Jesus.  Hope you can get your own house in order in time to meet your maker.  You've got a lot of work to do.


Hi Crusty,

 

I know who my Jesus Christ is -- but, I am curious:  Just who is YOUR JESUS?

 

My Jesus Christ is found in the Bible, John 1:1-3.  Where can we find YOUR JESUS?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

You'll need to start a new thread to get me to answer this, even though you already know the answer.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, your shriveled heart, overblown ego, and hate mongering Jesus really have nothing to teach me.  My Jesus forgives your Jesus.  Hope you can get your own house in order in time to meet your maker.  You've got a lot of work to do.


Hi Crusty,

 

I know who my Jesus Christ is -- but, I am curious:  Just who is YOUR JESUS?

 

My Jesus Christ is found in the Bible, John 1:1-3.  Where can we find YOUR JESUS?    God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

You'll need to start a new thread to get me to answer this, even though you already know the answer.

Hi Crusty,

 

No, my Friend, I DO NOT already know the answer.  If so, I would not have asked.  You keep speaking of MY JESUS and YOUR JESUS.   I know my Jesus Christ.  He is the Son of God, the deity found in John 1:1.

 

But, when you declare that you have a different Jesus; then, by all means -- I am very interested in knowing about your Jesus.  Are you not able to tell us who this mysterious Jesus is -- or are you just huffing and puffing?

 

Truly, my Friend, I want to know all about YOUR JESUS.

 

Now, of course, we know that you can wiggle and twist -- throw out little cutesy comments.  But, CAN YOU truly answer the question?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Joshua Cornfelder:

Saying "my God" and "other Gods" is an identical "strategy"  to saying "My Jesus" and "Your Jesus."   Bill Gray, do you remember your statements about "God" and "other Gods"? 


Hi Joshua,

 

I do not say my God and other Gods.  I say my God, who is the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the first Person in the Trinity.  And, for the others, who are not really God, I will say gods, for many false religions have gods -- but, they are not God.

 

There is only one God.  Yet, in the world religions and other false and cult religions -- there are millions of gods.  To the atheist, secularist, and many non-believers -- they or their material belongings can be their gods.  For some it is money; for others it is other worldly desires, and for others, it is themselves -- they must be their own god, in control of their own destiny and all things around them.  As the Bible teaches us -- whatever you worship, that is your god.

 

So, Joshua, no -- this is not the same as Crusty saying his Jesus and my Jesus.  There is only one Jesus Christ -- the deity of John 1:1 -- eternal preexisting deity -- God the Son, second Person of the Trinity.  He is deity, He is God, He is Jesus Christ.

 

Yes, the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses use the name of Jesus -- but, their Jesus is not Jesus Christ.  Their Jesus is a created being, a cult being -- and not the preexisting deity found in John 1:1. 

 

But, Joshua, these questions do lead me to wonder.  Are you a Christian believer?  And, if so, I will not ask you to name your church (unless you want) -- but, what flavor of Christian believer are you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, your shriveled heart, overblown ego, and hate mongering Jesus really have nothing to teach me.  My Jesus forgives your Jesus.  Hope you can get your own house in order in time to meet your maker.  You've got a lot of work to do.


Hi Crusty,

 

I know who my Jesus Christ is -- but, I am curious:  Just who is YOUR JESUS?

 

My Jesus Christ is found in the Bible, John 1:1-3.  Where can we find YOUR JESUS?    God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

You'll need to start a new thread to get me to answer this, even though you already know the answer.

Hi Crusty,

 

No, my Friend, I DO NOT already know the answer.  If so, I would not have asked.  You keep speaking of MY JESUS and YOUR JESUS.   I know my Jesus Christ.  He is the Son of God, the deity found in John 1:1.

 

But, when you declare that you have a different Jesus; then, by all means -- I am very interested in knowing about your Jesus.  Are you not able to tell us who this mysterious Jesus is -- or are you just huffing and puffing?

 

Truly, my Friend, I want to know all about YOUR JESUS.

 

Now, of course, we know that you can wiggle and twist -- throw out little cutesy comments.  But, CAN YOU truly answer the question?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I understand that as you get old, your memory slips.  Want an answer start a new thread.  This one was dead after the first post.

quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

This will be the third time I've said it, start a new thread on the topic and I'll answer.  I've already answered your question, but I'll answer it again - IN A NEW THREAD (four times now). 


Hi Crusty,

 

IF you had an answer -- you could, and would, show it regardless of which thread it is on.  Or you can start a new discussion.  If you do not know how to start a new discussion -- or just need help -- I will be happy to help you learn.

 

All is see is -- MORE HUFFING AND PUFFING!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi Crusty,

 

Yes, we can only see those mostly atheist and secularist comments -- but, wouldn't it be a blessing to see how many believers and seekers really read the original posts, are edified by them, and just did not bother to join in your atheist "spitting contest"?

 

I can see why you and the rest of your avid non-believing Friends do not want the TimesDaily/Tennessee Valley people to show the actual number of reads, as they did in the old forum software.   Now, you can huff and puff, heckle and cackle -- declaring that no one has read the post -- and, I cannot argue with you.

 

So, I suppose we will have to do as I have done for a long time -- just write what God puts on my heart -- post it -- and leave the results to Him alone.   Thank you for helping me do this.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Crusty,

 

Yes, we can only see those mostly atheist and secularist comments -- but, wouldn't it be a blessing to see how many believers and seekers really read the original posts, are edified by them, and just did not bother to join in your atheist "spitting contest"?

 

I can see why you and the rest of your avid non-believing Friends do not want the TimesDaily/Tennessee Valley people to show the actual number of reads, as they did in the old forum software.   Now, you can huff and puff, heckle and cackle -- declaring that no one has read the post -- and, I cannot argue with you.

 

So, I suppose we will have to do as I have done for a long time -- just write what God puts on my heart -- post it -- and leave the results to Him alone.   Thank you for helping me do this.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I'm all for them putting the numbers you want, Bill.  It will prove how little you are read, just as it did when they had the numbers..  Bill, it is way past time you sought psychiatric treatment. 

quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
I'm all for them putting the numbers you want, Bill.  It will prove how little you are read, just as it did when they had the numbers..  Bill, it is way past time you sought psychiatric treatment.

Hi Crusty,

 

Thank you, my Friend.  You are a good and faithful follower.  And, I want to thank you for keeping my discussions on the Top Ten list so that more folks can find them.  You are indeed a great ministry partner. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I have been wanting to reply to the original post. I found it very informative and spot on. Thank you Bill. I have been going through a lot of change/growth/transformation. In this I have learned that the closer I get to God the more He Shows me myself, and, the more satan attacks. Before I learned that He Shows me more of me, God let me know I was in the way, doing things in my own strength and power, I had some wrong thinking and understanding...I was in His way!

Taking that and looking back at where I had come from with Him and seeing what I had realized as far as Him delivering me from my external habits I developed being in and of this world for many years and they were the fruit of a deeper, inner problem, and I am working with Him on these things. Through this I saw I didn't have a good understanding of things and words and there true meanings and that for one was holding me back, but, wrong thinking in many ways because I was so used to going on my ignorant natural man reactions/responses and just what I was used to doing because that's the only way I knew (definition of insanity), even while developing a spiritual walk and relationship with Jesus. I believe He allowed this to get me to the point that I am and see that I have been going around the same mountain, seeing me in my own strength trying to do this as well as do what only He can do, and, confusing my part in a partial sense with earning my way.

so, I had to walk away from everything I was doing and regroup and think about everything and pray. Resting in Him, waiting on Him, calling on Him to help me through this transformation He had been trying to get me to and through for so long, a breakthrough...you have to go through to have a breakthrough. To do this I had to identify my natural man and it's ways and my spiritual man and choose, rebuke and walk away and line up with God and His ways. While learning to identify my wrong thought/self righteousness and rebuking it right along with satan and asking God for help from there...

I found myself not understanding the difference between the natural, carnal and spiritual man. It led me to a search that brought me to your post. It spoke loudly to me and pointed at everything I learned and am learning. The people debating this thread I see as I have been seeing myself and seeing that has to be let go of and replaced by what God has for me/them, has purposed for me/them (them: if they are born again Christians) from before creation. Self, self-righteousness is so ingrained in us, we were born into a sinful fallen world with that sin in us seems to go along with self and self-righteousness, and until He takes us home into His original perfect plan, He will not be finished with us. I see your patience here with these debates, I thank you for your post and look forward to further fellowship. I am still working with Him on the inner which are character flaws and defects, dysfunction, condemnation...some of the root system of the external habits and characters I developed... God bless !  

Hi Eagletree,

 

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  I praise God if anything I have written has helped you in your Christian walk.   I like the way a pastor Friend describes our salvation:

 

We are saved, Justified, the moment we believe and receive Christ (Romans 3:24, 5:9, Titus 3:7,) and we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30).

 

We are being Sanctified, set aside for God, as we daily grow stronger in our walk with Him (1 Timothy 4:5, 2 Timothy 2:21, Hebrews 10:10).

 

And, we will be Glorified, receive our glorified, immortal bodies when we are Raptured (John 14:1-3), for then we will be like Him (1 John 3:2).

 

Today, I received a Facebook message from a Christian sister I have known for over 20 years.  In all that time, I have never seen her write or post an article.  Today she did.  She has been attending a Bible study class taught by my Friend, Pastor Freddy Cortez, who made the graphic below.  She posted a very good writing about salvation based upon what she learned in Pastor Freddy's Bible study.

 

These are some excerpts from what she posted:

 

Salvation is not just justification at the moment of believing in Jesus, which is "saved from the PENALTY of sin," -- but salvation is also a moment by moment growth in our spiritual life, i.e, being "saved from the POWER of sin."

The apostle Paul, in his epistles, constantly remind us believers, to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12).  So, brothers and sisters, our work has just begun.  We have been justified (past)!  We are now being sanctified (present).  We will be glorified (future).

 

That is a perfect example of what the apostle Paul was teaching in Philippians 2:12-13.

 

And, she closed by giving me words of encouragement which I highly treasure and appreciate:

 

Bill, Your e-mails have inspired me to write.  The e-mails you write and send to us are so well thought and written.  You have a gift that is being used to spread the truth!  Thank you for being a willing and open vessel.  Keep up the good work!  Let's all work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

 

This Christian sister has been receiving my Friends Ministry eNewsletters for many years -- and I appreciate her encouragement.  Before that, she received my snail-mail Christian Newsletter, "The Good News" which I was mailing once a month.  And, in all this time -- this is the first time I have seen her venture into writing and posting her own thoughts.  Praise God, for who knows when one of my writings, or one of her writings, will reach some person just in time.

 

Eagle, let me close by suggesting you visit my Facebook Notes Page.  I have posted almost 300 writings there and I will be very happy if any of them help you.  And, please feel free to share this URL with your friends and family.

 

https://www.facebook.com/bill.gray.5/notes_my_notes

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Gods Plan - Pastor Freddy - SALVATION

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Originally Posted by Eagletree:

I found it very informative and spot on. Thank you Bill.

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That one little bit right there tells me exactly what kind of "Christian" you really are. I got news for you, you're in Satan's playground & evidently don't even know it. You've done nothing but stroke the ego of Satan's favorite boy toy. Disgusting.........

Hi Eagletree,

 

After I posted the writing above, I posted this version of our dialogue in my Facebook Notes Page.  Take a look:

 

God Wants Us To Encourage And Support One Another!

https://www.facebook.com/notes...ther/598246643554826

 

Thank you for the inspiraton!

 

And, by the way, we need to pray for my Friend, Chick.  She has it stuck in her agnostic mind that "Bill Gray has condemned me to hell!"   This, in spite of the fact that I have repeatedly told her, and everyone, that no one can condemn another to hell.  Every person who goes to hell -- does so because he/she purposely chose to turn from God and follow the world. 

 

I tell Chick, and everyone, that each person MUST individually, through our faculty of God's gift of "free will" -- choose to follow Christ, or to deny Christ.  Follow Christ = heaven.  Deny Christ = hell.   And, not choosing -- IS choosing, but the default choice is not good, it is really hell!

 

Yet, in telling Chick that SHE must choose between heaven and hell -- in her mind I am condemning her to hell.   No, she is condemning herself to hell by denying Christ.   But, this is the reason she feels that I am Satanic. 

 

My Friend, Chick, brings to mind the quotation attributed to John Heywood in 1546, "There are none so blind as those who will not see.  The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know."

 

That quote is a paraphrase of Jeremiah 5:21 "Now hear this, O foolish and senseless people, Who have eyes but do not see; Who have ears but do not hear."   

 

This speaks so loudly of Chick's blind refusal to believe what the Bible tells us all -- that we MUST choose between God's Word and worldly man's societial norms.   She refuses God -- and then declares that Bill Gray is condemning her to hell.  "O foolish and senseless people, Who have eyes but do not see; Who have ears but do not hear."  

 

In spite of her obstinate refusal to see -- I ask all our Christian Friends to continue praying that Chick will one day recognize the truth -- and turn to follow Jesus  Christ.  Nothing would make me happier than to, one day, meet her and all her family in heaven.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

1 Peter 3-15 - Walk In The Park

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Eagletree:

I found it very informative and spot on. Thank you Bill.

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That one little bit right there tells me exactly what kind of "Christian" you really are. I got news for you, you're in Satan's playground & evidently don't even know it. You've done nothing but stroke the ego of Satan's favorite boy toy. Disgusting.........

semi, e'tree is probably part of billie and his family of hitchhiker's.
A California plant.

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Eagletree:

I found it very informative and spot on. Thank you Bill.

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That one little bit right there tells me exactly what kind of "Christian" you really are. I got news for you, you're in Satan's playground & evidently don't even know it. You've done nothing but stroke the ego of Satan's favorite boy toy. Disgusting.........

semi, e'tree is probably part of billie and his family of hitchhiker's.
A California plant.

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Probably?????????

 

I suspect it is, in fact, Billie boy or a close relative or someone who carries his bucket (as they do in Asia)...

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Dove, what do you think is in the billie bucket?

Experimental equipment~~~~~

Vic, I've wanted to tell you I think you're spot on, you the man, you really
got it going on and under control. If you ever get a bucket I'll carry it

for you. I know girls aren't suppose to carry buckets but you could

help me.

 

 

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