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Granted, almost everyone wants to give our troops the resources they need to do their jobs: the best weapons, armor, provisions, and training available--as well as praise, gratitude, and encouragement. But for our government to truly support our troops, it must do far more than help them do their jobs; it must give them the right jobs to do--the jobs that will effectively defend America while minimizing the risk to their lives. Our government must place soldiers' lives at risk only when American freedom is threatened, and during war it must give them the objectives and tactics that will defeat the enemy as quickly as possible.

The conservatives' Iraq war does not meet this standard. It could have--if the war had been undertaken as a step in defeating the anti-American, terrorist-sponsoring regimes of the Middle East and thus rendering the region non-threatening. Instead, President Bush made the war's primary focus the welfare of Iraqis--above all, their "freedom" to elect whatever regime they wished, no matter how anti-American. Further sacrificing Americans to Iraqis, Bush and his subordinates imposed crippling "rules of engagement" (also supported by liberals) that place the lives of civilians in enemy territory above our soldiers. Our hamstrung troops in Iraq have not been allowed to smash a militarily puny insurgency; instead, they have been forced to suffer an endless series of deaths by an undefeated enemy, while Islamic totalitarians worldwide rejoice in our defeat.

One does not support our troops by sending them to fight wars of self-sacrifice and then thanking their corpses. The conservatives' call to "stay the course" in Iraq--or to add 20,000 troops to that course--is harmful to America and its troops because the mission has been conceived and conducted in defiance of American interests.

If the conservatives do not support our troops, then do the liberals? Absolutely not.

Observe that while liberals criticize the Iraq war for killing our troops, they propose no alternative policy that would protect America against Islamic totalitarianism and its state supporters, including the militant, terrorist theocracy of Iran. Liberals' only policy proposal is that we not take military action in Iraq or in any other country beyond Afghanistan. Why? Because they believe that America has no right to defy the "international community" or "impose its will on the rest of the world"--i.e., to aggressively pursue its self-defense. They, like the conservatives, advocate self-sacrifice in foreign policy. Denying our right to an all-out military defense, liberals say we must engage committed enemies like Iran with endless "diplomacy," i.e., bribery, appeasement, and inaction.

One does not support our troops by keeping them home when their and our freedom requires military action. Our soldiers did not join the military to sit on their hands while Iran prepares for nuclear jihad.

If liberals were truly concerned with our troops in Iraq and the freedom our soldiers should be fighting for, they would call for our soldiers to smash the insurgency and move on to defeat our other enemies. Instead, they call for a self-effacing retreat from Iraq, followed by further kowtowing to the anti-Americans at the United Nations--actions that would greatly embolden the Islamic totalitarians.

Link to story by Alex Epstein
================================================================================ "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer - German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
You're one of the few on here that see past the Democrat-Republican politics and see the big picture.
We don't need any more conservative Republicans or liberal Democrats....we need Americans with common sense!!!


Thanks. I like this quote.


"Stop being good Democrats.

Stop being good Republicans.

Start being good Americans."

~Aaron Russo
I agree with everything here. Republicans and Democrats have made a mess of the situation with Iraq and will continue to make it worse. I think we need to quit jerking around and putting our troops at risk. The insurgents and terrorists need to be eliminated, so take the muzzle off the military and let them have at it, then get them home and let Iraq take care of themselves. Babysitting their country and swatting terrorists individually simply isn't working.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
I agree with everything here. Republicans and Democrats have made a mess of the situation with Iraq and will continue to make it worse. I think we need to quit jerking around and putting our troops at risk. The insurgents and terrorists need to be eliminated, so take the muzzle off the military and let them have at it, then get them home and let Iraq take care of themselves. Babysitting their country and swatting terrorists individually simply isn't working.
I have a farmer friend in Iowa who looked in on this forum, at my invitation. He sent me an e mail. "How many Muslims do they think we have to kill before the surviving Muslims start to really LOVE us?"

Well NashBama, there are over a billion Muslims. WHICH ONES AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WILL DO THE TRICK?
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
I agree with everything here. Republicans and Democrats have made a mess of the situation with Iraq and will continue to make it worse. I think we need to quit jerking around and putting our troops at risk. The insurgents and terrorists need to be eliminated, so take the muzzle off the military and let them have at it, then get them home and let Iraq take care of themselves. Babysitting their country and swatting terrorists individually simply isn't working.
I have a farmer friend in Iowa who looked in on this forum, at my invitation. He sent me an e mail. "How many Muslims do they think we have to kill before the surviving Muslims start to really LOVE us?"

Well NashBama, there are over a billion Muslims. WHICH ONES AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WILL DO THE TRICK?


Ed, I'm pretty sure to win most any war, you're going to have to kill a lot of people, especially if your enemy is largely uneducated and religiously motivated.

And to win the war? Have a look at this quote from Chip Joyce:

"Specifically we must:

* Officially declare war against each of these countries by name. This act would prove our resolve, it would empower the President as needed, and it would allow for the government to use its power against war-time traitors as prescribed in the Constitution, so we can rid this country of our internal enemies.

* Destroy the entire governments, militaries, and infrastructures of each and every one of these countries, deprive them of the Western World's twenty-first century technology, and leave them in a state of technological primitivism equivalent to their medievalist ideology. Leave them to their tents and camels, as they would still be had they not been allowed to steal the oil fields that Westerners discovered and made valuable.

* Announce to the world that the USA will no longer pressure Israel to participate in the sham "peace talks" with the Palestinians, and encourage them to take over the disputed territories and put an end to Arafat's dictatorial, terrorist-farming regime. Regrettably, New Yorkers are now experiencing what the Israelis have long had to deal with: their society being besieged by murderous savages. Israel is not their prime enemy: Israel is hated mainly because it is the sole outpost of American values in the Middle East.

* Deport or arrest those in this country who are suspected of sympathy or complicity with these enemies of America. We know they exist.

* Continue this fight against terrorism as long as it is necessary, and to use any and all means necessary -- including nuclear weapons. The fact is that masses of people will die; the question is whether it will be Americans -- or our enemies. (And do not wince for a moment over the thought of innocent casualties: wars just do not allow for it, and such blood is on the hands of the instigators, not the defenders.)

* Demand cooperation from all other countries, including access to their intelligence, airspace, or whatever else is necessary for us to conduct this war. If any country refuses, we must condemn them for being accomplices and enemies, as well.

The question is not whether America can win this war. The question is: Are we willing?"

Link.

I may not agree with everything he says, or even his philosophy, but to win this war, after looking at our resources and what we're up against. He bluntly nails it.

Personally, I think war it a huge waste of life and resources, but I'm not running the show. ;^)
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
I agree with everything here. Republicans and Democrats have made a mess of the situation with Iraq and will continue to make it worse. I think we need to quit jerking around and putting our troops at risk. The insurgents and terrorists need to be eliminated, so take the muzzle off the military and let them have at it, then get them home and let Iraq take care of themselves. Babysitting their country and swatting terrorists individually simply isn't working.
I have a farmer friend in Iowa who looked in on this forum, at my invitation. He sent me an e mail. "How many Muslims do they think we have to kill before the surviving Muslims start to really LOVE us?"

Well NashBama, there are over a billion Muslims. WHICH ONES AND HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WILL DO THE TRICK?


Ed, I'm pretty sure to win most any war, you're going to have to kill a lot of people, especially if your enemy is largely uneducated and religiously motivated.

And to win the war? Have a look at this quote from Chip Joyce:

"Specifically we must:

* Officially declare war against each of these countries by name. This act would prove our resolve, it would empower the President as needed, and it would allow for the government to use its power against war-time traitors as prescribed in the Constitution, so we can rid this country of our internal enemies.

* Destroy the entire governments, militaries, and infrastructures of each and every one of these countries, deprive them of the Western World's twenty-first century technology, and leave them in a state of technological primitivism equivalent to their medievalist ideology. Leave them to their tents and camels, as they would still be had they not been allowed to steal the oil fields that Westerners discovered and made valuable.

* Announce to the world that the USA will no longer pressure Israel to participate in the sham "peace talks" with the Palestinians, and encourage them to take over the disputed territories and put an end to Arafat's dictatorial, terrorist-farming regime. Regrettably, New Yorkers are now experiencing what the Israelis have long had to deal with: their society being besieged by murderous savages. Israel is not their prime enemy: Israel is hated mainly because it is the sole outpost of American values in the Middle East.

* Deport or arrest those in this country who are suspected of sympathy or complicity with these enemies of America. We know they exist.

* Continue this fight against terrorism as long as it is necessary, and to use any and all means necessary -- including nuclear weapons. The fact is that masses of people will die; the question is whether it will be Americans -- or our enemies. (And do not wince for a moment over the thought of innocent casualties: wars just do not allow for it, and such blood is on the hands of the instigators, not the defenders.)

* Demand cooperation from all other countries, including access to their intelligence, airspace, or whatever else is necessary for us to conduct this war. If any country refuses, we must condemn them for being accomplices and enemies, as well.

The question is not whether America can win this war. The question is: Are we willing?"

Link.

I may not agree with everything he says, or even his philosophy, but to win this war, after looking at our resources and what we're up against. He bluntly nails it.

Personally, I think war it a huge waste of life and resources, but I'm not running the show. ;^)
You are absolutely right. So,

ONE

TWO

THREE

FOUR

WHAT THE HELL ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

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