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New Click-It or Ticket

Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by GOAHEADMAKEMYDAY:
At $25.00 per ticket (maximum fine allowed, no court costs), no municipality is going to get rich on seatbelt tickets.

Add up the time it takes the officer to write the ticket, carry it to the court clerk and swear to it, the time it takes the court clerk to process it, assign it a court case number, report the final verdict to the state, the prosecutor to evaluate and prosecute it, the judge to hear and decide on it. No way that $25.00 is going to cover all those costs. Even if most people just plead guilty, it still is not going to generate any significant revenue, as the officer and the court clerk still have to do their jobs.

i got a ticket 7 or 8 years ago for no seat belt and a headlight was out. the lil lady was kind enough to let me slide on the headlight.i went the next day to pay the ticket. in the office on the wall was list of fines and the cost.... no seat belt $25. i told the clerk i wanted to pay the ticket ,she said ok that will be $125 !!!! i was told it was for court cost,i told her i didnt want to go to court ,no matter she said its still $125. now explain to me why.
a few years later i got a ticket for improper headlight use... flashing my brights . everybody does it to let oncoming drivers that their brights are on. again it was a $25 ticket, and again i was told the same thing. both times i told them if i'm gonna pay for court cost then i was gonna have my day in court. of course it was like a kangroo court and i had to pay.... i think the city of florence owes me $200.
i do the crime i pay the fine but if i dont use the court then i shouldnt pay!!! something is wrong or have things changed since my last ticket nearly 6 years ago???


Section 32-5B-5
Penalty for violations of chapter.
Any person violating the provisions of this chapter may be fined up to $25.00. The violation of the provisions of this chapter shall not constitute probable cause for search of the vehicle involved.


Section 32-5B-8
Disposition of funds; searches; statistics.
(a) A person subject to a penalty pursuant to Section 32-5B-5, shall not be assessed court costs on a conviction.

You got took on the seatbelt ticket. No court costs are allowed. The headlight ticket is a different matter.
ahanbackahanbackHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
We need a "Use your freaking blinker of I'm going to take you out of the car and bash you repeatedly with my nightstick" campaign.


Or how about use the merge lane for merging not stopping. Never seen so many folks stop when they hit a merge lane and try to get over right then and there. Are merge lanes not for merging into traffic?
GOAHEADMAKEMYDAYGOAHEADMAKEMYDAYHall of Famer
SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS I WAS RIPPED OF BY MY OWN CITY COURT??? WHO DO I COMPLAIN TO OR TAKE THIS UP WITH . I'M SURE ITS WAY TO OLD TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT BUT JUST FOR FURTURE REFERANCE.
BY THE WAY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SEAT BELT LAWS . I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WEAR THEM.... ALTHOUGH I THINK IT WAS PROLY PART OF A PLAN TO ALLOW POLICE MORE REASON TO PULL YOU OVER .AS YOU SAID THEY CANT MAKE ANY MONEY AT IT JUST $25 A POP.... BUT LOOK AT ALL THE DOORS IT OPENS UP. WHEN THEY PULL YOU OVER THEN THERE YOU ARE ,ANYTHING YOU MIGHT BE DOING IS RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO SEE.
WHAT IS DIFFERANT ABOUT THE HEADLIGHT TICKET. I WENT TO PAY IT THE VERY NEXT DAY TOO.IT WAS ALSO A $25 TICKET. I SURE COULD USE THAT $200 THAT WAS STOLEN FROM ME!!!!!
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by GOAHEADMAKEMYDAY:
SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS I WAS RIPPED OF BY MY OWN CITY COURT??? WHO DO I COMPLAIN TO OR TAKE THIS UP WITH . I'M SURE ITS WAY TO OLD TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT BUT JUST FOR FURTURE REFERANCE.
BY THE WAY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SEAT BELT LAWS . I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WEAR THEM.... ALTHOUGH I THINK IT WAS PROLY PART OF A PLAN TO ALLOW POLICE MORE REASON TO PULL YOU OVER .AS YOU SAID THEY CANT MAKE ANY MONEY AT IT JUST $25 A POP.... BUT LOOK AT ALL THE DOORS IT OPENS UP. WHEN THEY PULL YOU OVER THEN THERE YOU ARE ,ANYTHING YOU MIGHT BE DOING IS RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO SEE.
WHAT IS DIFFERANT ABOUT THE HEADLIGHT TICKET. I WENT TO PAY IT THE VERY NEXT DAY TOO.IT WAS ALSO A $25 TICKET. I SURE COULD USE THAT $200 THAT WAS STOLEN FROM ME!!!!!


First off. Quit using all capitals. It signifies yelling or anger, and is extremely hard to read.

Now. Seat belt tickets may not be used as probable cause to search a vehicle. So that opens no doors to further exploration. Anything you might be doing (illegal) that they can see from outside the vehicle falls into the plain view clause, and would be a legal stop if they pulled up beside you at a red light. Don't do illegal things in a vehicle, and you won't have to worry about that.

The code on light violations has no provisions for not allowing court costs, which the seatbelt code does. Whether you attend a session of court and contest your ticket or not has no bearing on having to pay court costs. Court costs are mandated by the legislature.

Court costs are divided up among a dozen different funds. You'll have to ask a magistrate or court clerk exactly what, but municipalities get only a small percentage of court costs. Most goes to the state general fund and other legislature mandated funds, such as crime victims fund, peace officers annuity & benefit fund, circuit judges retirement fund, etc.

$200.00 was not stolen from you. Stealing requires intent, and I highly doubt any intent was involved. Go talk to the court and ask them to review your seatbelt ticket to see if you were assessed court costs, and request a refund.

BTW, the headlight ticket is an equipment violation. You could have had it repaired within 72 hours, took it to the local police, and had it checked and signed off by an officer. The ticket then would have been dismissed without court costs or fine.
imya_huckleberryimya_huckleberryHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
BTW, the headlight ticket is an equipment violation. You could have had it repaired within 72 hours, took it to the local police, and had it checked and signed off by an officer. The ticket then would have been dismissed without court costs or fine.


Our magistrate still charges court costs on equipment violations even if they've been signed off.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by imya_huckleberry:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
BTW, the headlight ticket is an equipment violation. You could have had it repaired within 72 hours, took it to the local police, and had it checked and signed off by an officer. The ticket then would have been dismissed without court costs or fine.


Our magistrate still charges court costs on equipment violations even if they've been signed off.


Via local ordinance, that is legal. It's also legal to do it without cost, via the same type of ordinance. My employer chooses to not charge anything for signed off equipment violations.
smokey1smokey1Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by GOAHEADMAKEMYDAY:

BY THE WAY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SEAT BELT LAWS . I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WEAR THEM.... ALTHOUGH I THINK IT WAS PROLY PART OF A PLAN TO ALLOW POLICE MORE REASON TO PULL YOU OVER .AS YOU SAID THEY CANT MAKE ANY MONEY AT IT JUST $25 A POP.... BUT LOOK AT ALL THE DOORS IT OPENS UP. WHEN THEY PULL YOU OVER THEN THERE YOU ARE ,ANYTHING YOU MIGHT BE DOING IS RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO SEE.


Does paranoia run in your family?
C c28winMember
If the seat belt law is for our protection and such a good law then why are we not protecting our kids on schools buses that would costs the state to much money so that tells me all the law was made for is another way to get money out of the tax payer pocket.It dont matter weather you have it own or not if its your time to go its not going to help!!!!!!
imya_huckleberryimya_huckleberryHall of Famer
The seat belts on school buses is probably coming soon. The seat belt law was passed in order to (1)save lives, (2) help in reducing insurance costs, (3) reduce productivity losses, (4) medical costs, (5) rehabilitation costs, (6) legal and court costs, (7) emergency services costs, and(8) funeral costs. So, $25 fine is not so much out of "the tax payers pocket" when all is said and done. A seat belt might change the time in which you're going to go. Anything's possible in an accident, but if it helps protect you in the least little bit, put it on, so you can see your loved ones again.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Actually, it's not "Click it or Ticket". It's another round of the State Trooper's "Take Back our Highways".


Just wondering, who has taken our highways, and where did they hide them that they have to be "Taken Back " ?


Idiots who drive as if they own the highways.

Those drivers who follow too close, drive aggressively, changing lanes to weave through traffic, excessive speeders (more than 25 mph over the posted limit), DUI drivers, unlicensed drivers, those with no insurance, and any other fool who endangers other drivers with their insane actions.

I'm not going to tell you where they're hidden. It's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.
wareagle1861wareagle1861Member
Just another COMMUNIST law being inforced by COMMUNIST. Read your constitution and you will see that you have the right to use the highways free of charge. When they set up road blocks to check you out they have violated you rights under the constitution.
If you read the constitution you will see that there has been no amendment to the constitution that gives them the right to pass or to enforce the laws that they are passing and inforcing.
I know that there are a lot of you who are going to have a lot to say about this post, but before you start read you constitution and you will see we are living in a Communist Country.
THE GOVERMENT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE RULED BY THE PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.
MentalFlossMentalFlossHall of Famer
quote:
Just another COMMUNIST law being inforced by COMMUNIST. Read your constitution and you will see that you have the right to use the highways free of charge. When they set up road blocks to check you out they have violated you rights under the constitution.
If you read the constitution you will see that there has been no amendment to the constitution that gives them the right to pass or to enforce the laws that they are passing and inforcing.
I know that there are a lot of you who are going to have a lot to say about this post, but before you start read you constitution and you will see we are living in a Communist Country.
THE GOVERMENT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE RULED BY THE PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.


That's a stretch. States are under their own Laws. Nothing is in the constitution about blow torching babies in your backyard either. Is it your constitutional right? Even though I disagree with the seatbelt issue it IS the LAW. BTW I wear seatbelt because it IS smart.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by wareagle1861:
Just another COMMUNIST law being inforced by COMMUNIST. Read your constitution and you will see that you have the right to use the highways free of charge. When they set up road blocks to check you out they have violated you rights under the constitution.
If you read the constitution you will see that there has been no amendment to the constitution that gives them the right to pass or to enforce the laws that they are passing and inforcing.
I know that there are a lot of you who are going to have a lot to say about this post, but before you start read you constitution and you will see we are living in a Communist Country.
THE GOVERMENT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE RULED BY THE PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.


So just how do you explain the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution?
S SeaweedPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Actually, it's not "Click it or Ticket". It's another round of the State Trooper's "Take Back our Highways".


Just wondering, who has taken our highways, and where did they hide them that they have to be "Taken Back " ?


Idiots who drive as if they own the highways.

Those drivers who follow too close, drive aggressively, changing lanes to weave through traffic, excessive speeders (more than 25 mph over the posted limit), DUI drivers, unlicensed drivers, those with no insurance, and any other fool who endangers other drivers with their insane actions.

I'm not going to tell you where they're hidden. It's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.

In all seriousness hope you put as much emphasis on the things you listed, as you do on seatbelts and speeding. Please also add to that list, those who throw trash out the window, and those who drive slow in the left hand lane as well as those who just drive too slow period.
My major complaint about highway law enforcement using radar is that most of those other things go un noticed if they are hidden behind a bush using a radar gun.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Actually, it's not "Click it or Ticket". It's another round of the State Trooper's "Take Back our Highways".


Just wondering, who has taken our highways, and where did they hide them that they have to be "Taken Back " ?


Idiots who drive as if they own the highways.

Those drivers who follow too close, drive aggressively, changing lanes to weave through traffic, excessive speeders (more than 25 mph over the posted limit), DUI drivers, unlicensed drivers, those with no insurance, and any other fool who endangers other drivers with their insane actions.

I'm not going to tell you where they're hidden. It's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.

In all seriousness hope you put as much emphasis on the things you listed, as you do on seatbelts and speeding. Please also add to that list, those who throw trash out the window, and those who drive slow in the left hand lane as well as those who just drive too slow period.
My major complaint about highway law enforcement using radar is that most of those other things go un noticed if they are hidden behind a bush using a radar gun.


Thanks. I do. Litterbugs are one of the hardest violators to catch. By the time we're close enough to see them throw trash out, we're close enough for them to identify, and they wait until we're gone.

A huge amount of trash in this area blows out of the back of pickup trucks. People should realize that a can or cup in the bed of a truck will blow out at highway speeds. Also, if it blows out of your truck, it's an arrestable offense.

Alabama code on impeding traffic leaves an "out" that gets most slow drivers in the left lane out of the charge in court. If they are preparing for a left turn, no matter how many miles ahead, they are not guilty of impeding traffic.

quote:
Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.

(b) Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.


Unfortunately, very few streets in Alabama have minimum speed limits. They should.
S SeaweedPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by co29:
Driving is a privilege it's not a right.If you do not like the laws then don't drive.

Although I agree with you that driving is a privilege, Ronald Reagan said it was a right.

I just think the laws should be enforced pertaining to littering, impeding the flow of traffic, and other things as well as speeding. While I usually wear my seat belt, I think that having that as law and stressing that particular law is government intervention into our private lives.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by im4uhonee:
Imagine, there is no seat belt law, your in an accident, it's your fault, the other driver wasn't wearing their seat belt and sustained serious injuries because of not being buckled up. He sues you and your insurance company for his medical expenses and wins an amount above your coverage limits. Where do you think that money comes from when it's time to pay up? Anyone want to question why there is a law in effect?

What if you are in an accident, you have a couple citations for seat belt violations on record, your in an accident and injuried while not wearing a seat belt, your insurance company refuses to pay medical expenses because you were driving in violation of state law by not wearing your seat belt and have a past history of doing so. Still don't want to bucle up?

Your 16 year old child is driving home from school two weeks after getting their drivers license. He/she is in a head on collision with another vehicle and wasn't wearing a seat belt because he/she never saw mom/dad buckle up and was never made to as a passenger, why should they know to do it now? What outfit do you pickout for them to wear when you go to the funeral home to make arrangements?

Still don't want to buckle up?


Thanks, im4uhonee!

That kind of plain and pointed information just might be persuasive enough to rouse some of the deadhead seat-belt scoffers and "freedom of choice" ninnies from their torpor!
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by co29:
Driving is a privilege it's not a right.If you do not like the laws then don't drive.

Although I agree with you that driving is a privilege, Ronald Reagan said it was a right.

I just think the laws should be enforced pertaining to littering, impeding the flow of traffic, and other things as well as speeding. While I usually wear my seat belt, I think that having that as law and stressing that particular law is government intervention into our private lives.


Rot! Lives cease to be private when the consequences of behavior bring burdens on society at large. The undereducated dingbats who often fail to wear seat belts are often the same ones who drink and drive and wind up in the hospital in critical condition for days on end, amassing monumental hospital bills that they will never pay, but that you and I will subsidize with OUR insurance payments. If people want to drive around not belted up, then let them put arrangements in place whereby they will forego medical treatment should they be injured as a direct and obvious consequence of their choice. Now, THAT would be a true personal and private choice, demonstrating independence of thought to go along with their gross stupidity!
C CrimsonLegacy198Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by MentalFloss:
quote:
Just another COMMUNIST law being inforced by COMMUNIST. Read your constitution and you will see that you have the right to use the highways free of charge. When they set up road blocks to check you out they have violated you rights under the constitution.
If you read the constitution you will see that there has been no amendment to the constitution that gives them the right to pass or to enforce the laws that they are passing and inforcing.
I know that there are a lot of you who are going to have a lot to say about this post, but before you start read you constitution and you will see we are living in a Communist Country.
THE GOVERMENT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE RULED BY THE PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.


That's a stretch. States are under their own Laws. Nothing is in the constitution about blow torching babies in your backyard either. Is it your constitutional right? Even though I disagree with the seatbelt issue it IS the LAW. BTW I wear seatbelt because it IS smart.



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