http://www.businessweek.com/ma...on-law-11232011.html
I'm surprised this has gone without discussion. It seems our new immigration law has managed to result in the arrest of an executive of a company that happens to employ over 3,000 people in a state with over 9% unemployment. Are we still proud of this asinine piece of legislation?
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The law worked the way it was supposed to. The only thing wrong is that the exc. forgot to keep his passport and other papers on him as he should have and he should have had a tag on his car rental, not his fault. If you get caught in germany without your passport or visa or military i d card, they will throw you in jail.
Sounds to me it's working just fine. It was all straightened out. Let any of us try to travel in foreign countries with no "papers" and see if their police will accept the argument that we're an "important" person and just let us go. What's to be embarrassed about? Sheesh.
And too, kinda knocks that "there will be profiling" argument in the head.
Google the German newspaper articles about the arrest. The comments are hilarious.
What matters is what would the protocol have been for a federal law enforcement stop.
I can assure you that I would not be able to drive a vehicle without a proper tag on it. If a white trash redneck can't drive without a proper tag, why should a foreigner be allowed to?
I can assure you that I would not be able to drive a vehicle without a proper tag on it. If a white trash redneck can't drive without a proper tag, why should a foreigner be allowed to?
He was stopped for no tag
He was arrested for failure to prove immigration status.
Google the German newspaper articles about the arrest. The comments are hilarious.
What matters is what would the protocol have been for a federal law enforcement stop.
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I don't think I could even pretend to care what they say about it. Again, could any of us travel in another country without proper "paperwork"? We could ask the germans if we have to sew our identification to our clothing.
So what is wrong with that process Dittohead?
So what is wrong with that process Dittohead?
The fedgov says it is strictly a fedgov authority, but the courts will have to decide what the USConstitution sez.
And, being in the USA without proper documentation is not a criminal offense, but a civil offense, ie you can be locked up and held for deportation unless you committed another crime.
The Mercedes representative had no tag, no driver's license and no passport.
When I lived in Germany, I carried my passport (with visa stamp), US driver's license, German driver's license and DOD civilian ID. Without these, polizei from the city, state and national government would be correct to detain me.
The Mercedes representative had no tag, no driver's license and no passport.
When I lived in Germany, I carried my passport (with visa stamp), US driver's license, German driver's license and DOD civilian ID. Without these, polizei from the city, state and national government would be correct to detain me.
Rural AlObama is not socialist Germany.
Yet.
The Mercedes representative had no tag, no driver's license and no passport.
When I lived in Germany, I carried my passport (with visa stamp), US driver's license, German driver's license and DOD civilian ID. Without these, polizei from the city, state and national government would be correct to detain me.
Rural AlObama is not socialist Germany.
Yet.
However it is required in the United States, which last time I checked had Alabama as a state.
Permanent residents are issued a valid Permanent Resi- dent Card (Form I-551) as proof of their legal status in the United States. Some people call this a “Green Card.” If you are a permanent resident who is 18 years or older, you must carry proof of your immigration status. You must show it to an immigration officer if asked for it.Your card is valid for 10 years and must be renewed before it expires.You should file Form I-90 to replace or renew your Permanent Resident Card.You can get this form at http://www.uscis.gov or by calling the USCIS Forms Line.There is a fee to file Form I-90
The Mercedes representative had no tag, no driver's license and no passport.
When I lived in Germany, I carried my passport (with visa stamp), US driver's license, German driver's license and DOD civilian ID. Without these, polizei from the city, state and national government would be correct to detain me.
Rural AlObama is not socialist Germany.
Yet.
However it is required in the United States, which last time I checked had Alabama as a state.
Permanent residents are issued a valid Permanent Resi- dent Card (Form I-551) as proof of their legal status in the United States. Some people call this a “Green Card.” If you are a permanent resident who is 18 years or older, you must carry proof of your immigration status. You must show it to an immigration officer if asked for it.Your card is valid for 10 years and must be renewed before it expires.You should file Form I-90 to replace or renew your Permanent Resident Card.You can get this form at http://www.uscis.gov or by calling the USCIS Forms Line.There is a fee to file Form I-90
Read.
Learn.
A guy on a business trip dont get no permanant rezident card.
Missed that but Alabama does have the "Stop and Identify Statute" so this would apply.
Hey Mercedes, come to the Show-Me-State not the Show-Me-Your-Papers-State
Anyway, I wonder if the people who agree with this evil set of laws will still be all for it when companies like Mercedes start moving out of state and companies considering Alabama cite the laws as the reason they choose to locate elsewhere?
Besides being about as unconstitutional as it gets, Alabama's immigration laws are a nuisance to the real immigration authorities and the law is just plain mean.
Typical AlObamaians dont trust them foreen-ers, especially the ones that bombed Pearl Harbor.
Honda worker cited under Alabama law on illegal immigration
BIRMINGHAM, Ala —
A second foreign worker employed by Alabama’s automobile industry has been charged under the state’s crackdown on illegal immigration.
Officials said Wednesday that a Japanese employee on temporary assignment at Honda Manufacturing of Alabama in Talladega County was ticketed under the law. The company says the man is working with authorities to resolve the matter.
It’s not clear where the worker was stopped. But a person with knowledge of the case says he was ticketed at a routine police roadblock for not having an Alabama driver’s license, even though he had a valid Japanese passport and an international driver’s license.
The person wasn’t authorized to release the information and asked not to be identified.
A Mercedes-Benz manager was previously arrested in Tuscaloosa under the law for not having a driver’s license. The charge was dismissed after the man provided authorities with identification.
I am ashamed to tell people I live in this state.
The German should have carried his driver's license, just as we all should, by law.
More crap to excuse the racist & hate filled immigration law, good thing that the federal courts will have most of the bill shredded before much longer.
BTW, the German did have his German drivers license with him, just didn't have his other paperwork. I myself have gone out and forgotten my wallet before, once went through a road block without it and just told the officer my SS# & DL# and he just called it in to verify but I guess that only works for those of us with a Southern Accent.
NO!
"Eventually, a colleague was able to find the man’s passport, visa and drivers licence at his hotel and took it to police, who subsequently released the Daimler executive, the Associated Press reported."
NO!
"Eventually, a colleague was able to find the man’s passport, visa and drivers licence at his hotel and took it to police, who subsequently released the Daimler executive, the Associated Press reported."
He had his German License, the newspaper reports are sketchy though, some say he had it and some say he didn't. Read 5 reports and you actually get 5 different stories on this particular issue but the fact is that he did have his German license, he did not have his passport and visa with him.
Governor Robert Bentley speaks at an event where Honda Manufacturing of Alabama celebrated their tenth anniversary in Alabama with speakers in a tent in front of the welcome center Monday, Nov. 14, 2011 in Lincoln, Ala. (The Birmingham News/Bernard Troncale).
http://blog.al.com/wire/2011/1...arrested_in_tal.html
And two weeks after the big event pictured above, we put one their guys in jail.
Welcome to Alabama!
U.S. Law for idiots.
What travel documents and identification are required for a foreign national to enter the U.S.?
A foreign national or alien entering the U.S. is generally required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are a citizen of a country eligible for the Visa Waiver Program, or are a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. or a citizen of Canada. The Visa Waiver Program allows foreign nationals from certain countries to be admitted to the U.S. under limited conditions and for a limited time without obtaining a visa. The foreign national must arrive on an approved carrier (if coming by air or sea), staying no more than 90 days, for pleasure/medical purposes/business, and be able to prove they are not inadmissible. The foreign national is still required to have a passport.
Visitors traveling to the U.S. are required to be in possession of passports that are valid for six months beyond the period of their intended stay in the U.S.
Again, it states be in possession of passports!
U.S. Law for idiots.
What travel documents and identification are required for a foreign national to enter the U.S.?
A foreign national or alien entering the U.S. is generally required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are a citizen of a country eligible for the Visa Waiver Program, or are a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. or a citizen of Canada. The Visa Waiver Program allows foreign nationals from certain countries to be admitted to the U.S. under limited conditions and for a limited time without obtaining a visa. The foreign national must arrive on an approved carrier (if coming by air or sea), staying no more than 90 days, for pleasure/medical purposes/business, and be able to prove they are not inadmissible. The foreign national is still required to have a passport.
Visitors traveling to the U.S. are required to be in possession of passports that are valid for six months beyond the period of their intended stay in the U.S.
Again, it states be in possession of passports!
Well Roland, once the foreign car companies get tired of the harassment in Alabama, are you gonna be able to provide a decent replacement job for all those poor folks at the auto plants? Most parts of the USA are a bit more relaxed and as long as the person can show some id then they would be allowed to go their own way.
I hope the federal courts get this taken care of sooner rather than later, the longer this law is in effect, the more the state will be spending of our tax money to defend suits against their evil set of immigration laws.
BTW, one of the worst parts of states trying to have the do-it-yourself immigration enforcement and the republicans in general spewing so much hate toward immigrants, it is now pretty much a sure thing that the democrats will take control of every branch of government in the coming elections.
I'm so sure that after investing millions/billions of dollars in a plant they're going to get their undies in a wad over a traffic stop that was cleared up, and pull their plant out of here. So now, not only mexico but germany gets to tell us what we can and can't do?
Pittiful, Isn't it?
Skippy
U.S. Law for idiots.
What travel documents and identification are required for a foreign national to enter the U.S.?
A foreign national or alien entering the U.S. is generally required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are a citizen of a country eligible for the Visa Waiver Program, or are a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. or a citizen of Canada. The Visa Waiver Program allows foreign nationals from certain countries to be admitted to the U.S. under limited conditions and for a limited time without obtaining a visa. The foreign national must arrive on an approved carrier (if coming by air or sea), staying no more than 90 days, for pleasure/medical purposes/business, and be able to prove they are not inadmissible. The foreign national is still required to have a passport.
Visitors traveling to the U.S. are required to be in possession of passports that are valid for six months beyond the period of their intended stay in the U.S.
Again, it states be in possession of passports!
Well Roland, once the foreign car companies get tired of the harassment in Alabama, are you gonna be able to provide a decent replacement job for all those poor folks at the auto plants? Most parts of the USA are a bit more relaxed and as long as the person can show some id then they would be allowed to go their own way.
I hope the federal courts get this taken care of sooner rather than later, the longer this law is in effect, the more the state will be spending of our tax money to defend suits against their evil set of immigration laws.
BTW, one of the worst parts of states trying to have the do-it-yourself immigration enforcement and the republicans in general spewing so much hate toward immigrants, it is now pretty much a sure thing that the democrats will take control of every branch of government in the coming elections.
Do you honestly think that the foreign companies are going to avoid Alabama because of this??
I mean, honestly?
They have a virtual endless pool of cheap labor. Strong support in the way of state, local money, land, etc. to locate here, and a pretty well established anti-union sentiment for people who NEED jobs.
And they're going to worry about "harassment"?
Loosen the "tin foil cap" Slick.
I'm so sure that after investing millions/billions of dollars in a plant they're going to get their undies in a wad over a traffic stop that was cleared up, and pull their plant out of here. So now, not only mexico but germany gets to tell us what we can and can't do?
Don't you mean "After the taxpayers of Alabama invested millions/billions of dollars?" I could tell you numerous ways a company can get set up without costing them a dime. We can start with this one off the top of my head.
http://www.tuscaloosachamber.c...s-and-incentives.php
There many other boards, authorities, and partnership arrangements.
Is'nt this whole subject matter really just a lack of training issue on behalf of the 2 auto companies whose employees were detained? They probably forgot to add on there respective checklists to double check that the employees have id documents with them at ALL times! Hopefully these 2 incidents will send them a clear message.
Is'nt this whole subject matter really just a lack of training issue on behalf of the 2 auto companies whose employees were detained? They probably forgot to add on there respective checklists to double check that the employees have id documents with them at ALL times! Hopefully these 2 incidents will send them a clear message.
I think it did send a clear message about the way they will be treated in Alabama, I think they might soon send a message back that there is only so much harassment and intimidation that they will tolerate.
Hopefully this hate filled set of laws will hurry through the federal courts where they will be ripped to shreds before it's too late.
They certainly won't move to high tax and regulation ridden states like Michigan and California.
BFred07: How does a simple request to produce your identity documents equate to harassment and intimidation?
Jimi: Please enlighten me!
Jimi: Please enlighten me!
Enlighten yourself, you ignorant twit!
I think it did send a clear message about the way they will be treated in Alabama, I think they might soon send a message back that there is only so much harassment and intimidation that they will tolerate.
Hopefully this hate filled set of laws will hurry through the federal courts where they will be ripped to shreds before it's too late.
Are you for real? Hate filled laws? Sheesh.
Is'nt this whole subject matter really just a lack of training issue on behalf of the 2 auto companies whose employees were detained? They probably forgot to add on there respective checklists to double check that the employees have id documents with them at ALL times! Hopefully these 2 incidents will send them a clear message.
I think it did send a clear message about the way they will be treated in Alabama, I think they might soon send a message back that there is only so much harassment and intimidation that they will tolerate.
Hopefully this hate filled set of laws will hurry through the federal courts where they will be ripped to shreds before it's too late.
So, all of your illegal workers ran off, huh?
