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Newtons first public interview since the big hush up, he is already contradicting himself. I feel the lies are being sorted as we speak.

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Newton, who was quoted earlier this season in Sports Illustrated as saying his father decided on his college choice, told Fowler he made the call himself.



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5903485


Psssttt...chizik better shut him up!
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Originally posted by One Headlight:
I love this part....

Newton told ESPN he hadn't directly asked his father what transpired between him and Miss.State but "at the end of the day i can look him in the eye and know he has my best intrest at heart"

WTH... Your dad is a PIMP !!

$cam and cecil are prime examples of why the NCAA should be allowed to use WATER BOARDING.


That's right folks, no 21 year old should forgive his father when he makes a mistake. In fact, lets never forgive anyone, that would be stupid. Let's simply make our main judgment on a guy by one mistake, with most of our judgment coming from our deep hatred of a rival football team.

Forgiving someone that we love is the right thing to do, and the fact that Cam still would turn to his father, shows that love. Did his dad make a mistake? Yeah, a huge one, but that is no reason for a son to turn his back on a dad, especially a young 21 year old guy (I think we often forget that he is a young man, especially when people hang on everyword he says, trying to find a slip up)
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
You are telling me Cam Newton who was charged with several crimes INCLUDING obstruction of justice who was about to be kicked out of Florida for cheating several times is a man of integrity? Right....


i never said that, but then again i wouldn't say that about the vast majority of 18-19 year old star d-1 athletes either.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
You are telling me Cam Newton who was charged with several crimes INCLUDING obstruction of justice who was about to be kicked out of Florida for cheating several times is a man of integrity? Right....


There has been no evidence that he was about to be kicked out of Florida, and Florida has no record, which means he wasn't about to be kicked out of the UF. Even if he was, he made mistakes, a mistake as a young man. It is really sad to see such hatred from someone like you, simply because a kid plays for a football team you don't like. By the way, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Marcel Dareus all actually took illegal benefits, why don't you question them? (for the record, I think Jones, Ingram, and Dareus all made boneheaded mistakes, did what the NCAA asked, and were reinstated, and moved on, something you should do with the whole Cam Newton thing)
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Originally posted by hayssco23:
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
You are telling me Cam Newton who was charged with several crimes INCLUDING obstruction of justice who was about to be kicked out of Florida for cheating several times is a man of integrity? Right....


There has been no evidence that he was about to be kicked out of Florida, and Florida has no record, which means he wasn't about to be kicked out of the UF. Even if he was, he made mistakes, a mistake as a young man. It is really sad to see such hatred from someone like you, simply because a kid plays for a football team you don't like. By the way, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Marcel Dareus all actually took illegal benefits, why don't you question them? (for the record, I think Jones, Ingram, and Dareus all made boneheaded mistakes, did what the NCAA asked, and were reinstated, and moved on, something you should do with the whole Cam Newton thing)

Typical, in an effort to change the subject, how the Barners will always throw off on Jones, Ingram, and Darius. To answer your question,s, the NCAA on every one of those incidences forced the university to either sit out the player, or face other retribution. Exactly what penalty did Auburn or Newton face for thier indiscretions? None. Auburn "self policed" themselves, which is like allowing the fox to guard the henhouse.
I love it though, the more he talks the bigger hole he digs for Aubrun. Someone might want to tell him though that it does little to clarify his Christian image if he prays before the game, then mouths obsencities when the camera is on him during the game. For some of us, his play acting is not quite convincing, but then I ain't looking at it thru ornage and blue glasses while "dranking" the family Kool-Aid.
Actually, The University of Alabama "self policed" themselves too.

When the "fishing trip" issue arose, Saban and The University of Alabama compliance staff investigated the matter involving the 2 players when it became known they may have received illegal benefits. After completing the investigation they were ordered to repay what was discovered as the illegal benefit, they were reinstated. They never lost eligibilty as far as I know.

Bylaw 12.1.2.1.6 of the NCAA rulebook outlaws "Preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual's athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete. ... For violations of this bylaw in which the value of the benefit is $100 or less, the eligibility of the individual shall not be affected, conditioned on the individual repaying the value of the benefit to a charity of his or her choice."

With the Dareus situation... Same thing. He thought he was just going to hang out with friends in Miami. When he got to the party he realized it was a mistake and immediately called Saban and told him he needed to leave. Once again, the University's compliance office investigated and reported findings to the NCAA. Because of the call to Saban and the University's quick action, his suspension was only 2 games as opposed to the much loftier ones handed down to several of the others who attended the same party.

EVERY school "self polices". This isn't an Auburn thing, it's an SEC/NCAA thing. The University's must police themselves and report any possible misconduct to their conference officials and NCAA officials. That's why every university has a compliance office.

Auburn has known about all of this at least since July, but possibly since January. They investigated phone records to make sure no once affiliated with the athletic dept had any contact with Rogers. After that, they had no reason to suspend Cam based off of what possibly couldve happened with his recruitment to Miss State with no evidence of any actual benifit being handed out. The NCAA investigated, found no connection of any illegal benifits being mentioned or known about by Cam or Auburn, and we all saw that ruling last week.

Take your fandom out of it and be objective. We are all skeptical of all the star players(or too naive to be). But in the end, these are kids and we should not pile on them just because of their jersey color. Am I skeptical that Jones and Ingram were "just fishing", and nothing else scandolos went down? Sure...but I have no evidence to fuel my skepticism, so I'm not gonna sit here and bash either of those kids or the university they play football for. That's all I think anyone should do in the Cam situation. Be a human being THEN a fan.

These are young men that we should all hope the best for in life, no matter what team they play for.
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Originally posted by teyates:
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Originally posted by hayssco23:
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
You are telling me Cam Newton who was charged with several crimes INCLUDING obstruction of justice who was about to be kicked out of Florida for cheating several times is a man of integrity? Right....


There has been no evidence that he was about to be kicked out of Florida, and Florida has no record, which means he wasn't about to be kicked out of the UF. Even if he was, he made mistakes, a mistake as a young man. It is really sad to see such hatred from someone like you, simply because a kid plays for a football team you don't like. By the way, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Marcel Dareus all actually took illegal benefits, why don't you question them? (for the record, I think Jones, Ingram, and Dareus all made boneheaded mistakes, did what the NCAA asked, and were reinstated, and moved on, something you should do with the whole Cam Newton thing)

Typical, in an effort to change the subject, how the Barners will always throw off on Jones, Ingram, and Darius. To answer your question,s, the NCAA on every one of those incidences forced the university to either sit out the player, or face other retribution. Exactly what penalty did Auburn or Newton face for thier indiscretions? None. Auburn "self policed" themselves, which is like allowing the fox to guard the henhouse.
I love it though, the more he talks the bigger hole he digs for Aubrun. Someone might want to tell him though that it does little to clarify his Christian image if he prays before the game, then mouths obsencities when the camera is on him during the game. For some of us, his play acting is not quite convincing, but then I ain't looking at it thru ornage and blue glasses while "dranking" the family Kool-Aid.


what illegal benefits did cam get while at Auburn?

as for the "obsencities" (is that a word?) he mouths during the game, are you as equally offended when nick saban does it? or is that different?

you do realize that when schools "self police," they still have to go through the NCAA, right?

you can keep your fingers crossed and hope and pray for this to end badly for Cam and Auburn(why you would, i don't know), but until there is one shred of evidence of any wrong-doing by Auburn or Cam, you just come off as petty.
The last time I checked Saban was not going to goalppost before the game kneeling to pary (which could be done in the locker room), standing around and telling errbody (when the Lord goes to blessing, the devil foes to messing", and having his father lead Bible study in the lcker room. The last time I checked the Bammer fans were not talking about what a "fine christian atmosphere" they have down there.
No, there is no comparision, because unlike Saban, Cam is trying to personify an image that he cannot live up to. he is trying to make everyone believe he is the fine upstanding young Christian male, the epitome of righteousness, when his actions show otherwise. I would have no problem with him doing either, BUT when you combine the two it makes you out to a bhyocrite, and either gives christians or hypocrites, a bad name.
BTW, Peter, there was no fault found in the Ingram Julio fishing trip the Barners are so wound up about. The investigation showed it was more a less a plan to make them look bad by someone who was really a Barner fan.
Darius however sat out two games. The Gerogia player who sold a shirt sat out as well. Cam and his father did a helluva lot worse than either of those two and the NCAA allowed Auburn to get by without doing anything.
Don't piss down my neck and tell me its raining. There was favoritism shown to Aubrun during this ordeal, and many people around the SEC and the nation saw it. Their day is coming, and none to soon if you ask me.
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Originally posted by teyates:
The last time I checked Saban was not going to goalppost before the game kneeling to pary (which could be done in the locker room), standing around and telling errbody (when the Lord goes to blessing, the devil foes to messing", and having his father lead Bible study in the lcker room. The last time I checked the Bammer fans were not talking about what a "fine christian atmosphere" they have down there.
No, there is no comparision, because unlike Saban, Cam is trying to personify an image that he cannot live up to. he is trying to make everyone believe he is the fine upstanding young Christian male, the epitome of righteousness, when his actions show otherwise. I would have no problem with him doing either, BUT when you combine the two it makes you out to a bhyocrite, and either gives christians or hypocrites, a bad name.
BTW, Peter, there was no fault found in the Ingram Julio fishing trip the Barners are so wound up about. The investigation showed it was more a less a plan to make them look bad by someone who was really a Barner fan.
Darius however sat out two games. The Gerogia player who sold a shirt sat out as well. Cam and his father did a helluva lot worse than either of those two and the NCAA allowed Auburn to get by without doing anything.
Don't piss down my neck and tell me its raining. There was favoritism shown to Aubrun during this ordeal, and many people around the SEC and the nation saw it. Their day is coming, and none to soon if you ask me.


you're a very bitter human being. but it is good to know that you hold 21 year old YOUNG ADULT ATHLETES to a higher standard than you do 50-something head coaches.

i also get a kick out of in the same post, you mention that no fault was found in the fishing trip (and that it was a "barner" setting them up), and that the NCAA punished other players..but yet somehow, they're in cahoots with Auburn. really? you honestly believe that? again...what benefits did Cam or his father recieve while Cam was at Auburn? until you have an answer to that (a factual one), your ranting and raving is pointless.

meanwhile if you want to talk about about a school being shown favoritism, lets talk about how a school can be in the "repeat offender" window, and get hit with a "failure to monitor" violation..and only receive a retroactive punishment.
First off teyates... what have you seen Cam do during his time in Auburn to portray him as a hypocrite??? Waiting...... waiting.... waiting..... darn.. nothing?? You are the one judging a young man's heart that you know NOTHING about. You wanna talk about his mistakes he made with the laptop 3 years ago, go for it if it makes you feel like more of a man to do so. But that's the ONLY facts you have about him. The fact that he was charged with receiving stolen goods(which is different from theft for those to dense to realize that), and obstruction for throwing it out the window when he got scared. Stupid childish mistake... Absolutely!!! But why don't you be an adult and give the kid the benefit of the doubt that he turned his life around, which he has spoken about on several occasions?

As for Jones and Ingram... they had to pay back the cost of the fishing charter that was paid for them when they went on the trip. And after doing so, they were rightfully cleared to play.

AJ Green sold his jersey to AN AGENT!!! And Dareus attended a party thrown and paid for by AN AGENT!! He did the right thing and told Saban, the university did the right thing in reporting it, and he got just 2 games and had to pay back the cost of the plane ticket I believe. Check the punishment of several of the other guys who were at the same party. It was handled well by The University of Alabama, he served his punishment and they moved on from it.

The Cam situation is NOTHING LIKE ANY OF THESE. Once again, because of your hatred for Auburn you will go with the complete speculation that Cam was involved in improper recruiting. But all they have is a solicitating charge against Rogers, Bell, and Cecil Newton. And we still only know part of that thing. You have bought into the sensationalized hype of it all in hopes that it brings Auburn down. But Auburn had zero to do with it. The NCAA has already cleared Cam and Auburn. Auburn never even received a letter of inquiry on the matter that has been known about since January by the SEC(before they were even thought of in terms of a championship contender, and since July by the NCAA) Deal with it and move on for pete's sake. Bashing a 21 year old kid may make you feel good about yourself, but from the outside looking in, it just makes you look foolish.

If anyone ever sees continuous posts from me bashing any Alabama player(which has never, nor will it ever happen), then I hope that call me an idiot barner!! But bottom line is, unlike you and many like you, I respect the university that happens to be the rival of my favorite team. I respect the coaches, and especially the players. I hope they win every game except the Iron Bowl every year, and I hope Auburn and Alabama players fill up the NFL. If you search for that inside yourself, you realize how much more fun the rivalry can be.
You are right Adam and Peter. Cam and his daddy meeting with an agent is nothing like selling a jersey to an agent, or going to a party that an agent throws. Roll Eyes
As far as seeing Cam's behavior. I have witnessed it in person at the game, and on television, where is acts all sanctimonious, until he thinks the camera is not looking at him, when he mouths his dirty words. there is nothing humble about his attitude nor his actions. You are right, I must be blind. Roll Eyes But, like I said, I am not falling at his feet worshipping him, nor waiting for him to walk on water. At the same time, I am going to hold him to a different set of standards since he is the one who likes to publically proclaim his "christianity". Eeker
Peter, you are an idiot barner. Wink I have seen on many occasions where you have referred to Ingran and Richardson in a less than flattering manner. I could care less if you do. I know they are not perfect. At the same time, I know that Bama, and other schools as well, have received much more backlash for actions of players than Auburn had done to them. What a joke.
Yes, Cam's daddy is admitting that he was involved in negotiations for money, and less than six months ago according to NCAA officials that was illegal, now however they need to revisit the rules, which by all estimations will again be considered illegal, and the next poor blighter will be slapped with a penalty. Not, however, the poor Barner crowd, who everyone knows never breaks a rule....choke, choke....Bobby Lowder....choke..choke...Pat Dye (if he was ever sober enough to remember it.)
You are right again. The University handled the situation with Dareus the proper way, however Auburn in no way addressed any of the situation with Cam, the agent, MSU and his father, other than keeping him (Cecil) out of the locker room.....Oh wait, the season ended three days prior to their suspension of Cam....how friggin convenient.
Addam, BTW, you are the second Barner to call me pathetic. Your little clone Peter did the same thing a few weeks ago. Any time the two of you want to do it in person, let me know. Pack a lunch though when you get ready, its gonna take you all day. This old guy might know a thing or two. Wink
And let me add one other tidbit that everyone tends to overlook that again point out the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Barner program.
After MSU reported the infraction, Auburn tries to throw MSU under the bus for continuing to try to recruit Cam.
However, Chizit and the AD knew of the infraction between MSU and Cecil supposedly, yet they allowed Cecil access to the program and the locker room the entire season, and did not ban him from the program again until AFTER the regular season was over, after the Bama game.
How is that any different? It has been stated that Chizit told Cecil after what he did it would make Cam ilelligle to play at MSU , and supposedly the information was given to Auburn as early as July, in "their invesitgation" of the matter. Yet they allowed him access during the entire regular season. Roll Eyes
Nice try Barn. It might work with some of the farmers down on the plains, but some of us were not born last night. Auburn is just as guilty as MSU in the whole stinking matter. But of course if you play with pigs, expect to get dirty.
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You are right again. The University handled the situation with Dareus the proper way, however Auburn in no way addressed any of the situation with Cam, the agent, MSU and his father, other than keeping him (Cecil) out of the locker room.....Oh wait, the season ended three days prior to their suspension of Cam....how friggin convenient.



you do realize that IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AUBURN. NOT KENNY ROGERS...NOT JOHN BOND..NOT CECIL NEWTON. you've still yet to tell what benefits Cam has reveived while at Auburn. and Cam met with an agent? really? interesting, seeing that no one else has said that. you can ***** and moan all you want to about cam being fake, and getting preferential treatment...but what does it do? not a **** thing. Cam is eligible. that was said from the VERY BEGINING. if you don't choose to blieve it, that's on you.

btw...choke choke....Logan Young. see how easy that is? also, i called a few agents on behalf of an alabama football player. have fun with the investigation. see how easy that is? mark ingram sr jumped bail to watch his son play football. you're telling me mark jr didn't know? that's a felony. again, see how easy that is? it could go on all day.

and finally, as for calling you pathetic; i'll do it again. you're a petty, pathetic human being. judging from your posts, "a thing or two" might be the only thing you know. i guess when your coach throws tantrums up and down the sidelines and berates/hits back-up players on national tv, the fans won't act much better.
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Originally posted by teyates:
And let me add one other tidbit that everyone tends to overlook that again point out the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Barner program.
After MSU reported the infraction, Auburn tries to throw MSU under the bus for continuing to try to recruit Cam.
However, Chizit and the AD knew of the infraction between MSU and Cecil supposedly, yet they allowed Cecil access to the program and the locker room the entire season, and did not ban him from the program again until AFTER the regular season was over, after the Bama game.
How is that any different? It has been stated that Chizit told Cecil after what he did it would make Cam ilelligle to play at MSU , and supposedly the information was given to Auburn as early as July, in "their invesitgation" of the matter. Yet they allowed him access during the entire regular season. Roll Eyes
Nice try Barn. It might work with some of the farmers down on the plains, but some of us were not born last night. Auburn is just as guilty as MSU in the whole stinking matter. But of course if you play with pigs, expect to get dirty.


"inelligible to play AT MSU."
glad you can admit it.
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Originally posted by teyates:
And let me add one other tidbit that everyone tends to overlook that again point out the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Barner program.
After MSU reported the infraction, Auburn tries to throw MSU under the bus for continuing to try to recruit Cam.
However, Chizit and the AD knew of the infraction between MSU and Cecil supposedly, yet they allowed Cecil access to the program and the locker room the entire season, and did not ban him from the program again until AFTER the regular season was over, after the Bama game.
How is that any different? It has been stated that Chizit told Cecil after what he did it would make Cam ilelligle to play at MSU , and supposedly the information was given to Auburn as early as July, in "their invesitgation" of the matter. Yet they allowed him access during the entire regular season. Roll Eyes
Nice try Barn. It might work with some of the farmers down on the plains, but some of us were not born last night. Auburn is just as guilty as MSU in the whole stinking matter. But of course if you play with pigs, expect to get dirty.


Actually, Auburn wasn't aware of an facts as to the meeting of Cecil and Rogers until much later. Cecil f'd up and lied about it. And yes, Cam would be ineligible at Miss State even without any benefits being received(see the Means case where benefits were proven to be passed yet he still got to play at another school). Bottom line is, it's all sour grapes from a loser like you. If you have any documentation, audio, or visual evidence that Cam was involed, then I suggest you race that over to the NCAA enforcement office. Otherwise, just keep spewing hatred for Auburn in your typically classy way!!

And you flat out LIED!!! You go find the post where I EVER ATTACKED THE CHARACTER OF INGRAM, RICHARDSON, OR ANY CRIMSON TIDE PLAYER!! NEVER ONCE HAS THAT HAPPENED!
That's garbage and you know it!!! Just typing it ain't gonna make it true. I think they are both fantastic football players, and I've never been shown anything that would lead me to believe they have any character issues. And if something came up on them that happened 3 years ago, I wouldnt use it as ammo in an juvenile rant about The University of Alabama.
Grow the crap up man!
Most of what Teyates is posting is a bunch of hearsay, adding false details to simple facts trying spin in his favor. By the how do you know how he is acting when "the camera is off". Do you have any evidence of the "dirty" mouth in video. I haven't seen it. I have seen Nick Saban call Julio Jones a m***** f***** for making a mistake LSU game, 2009, Julio was called for being 12th man on field), and have it on good authority that his favorite words in practice are godd*** and m***** f*****. If that how he wants to teach, thats fine, his right, but I have never seen Cam utter anything bad.
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Originally posted by teyates:
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Originally posted by hayssco23:
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
You are telling me Cam Newton who was charged with several crimes INCLUDING obstruction of justice who was about to be kicked out of Florida for cheating several times is a man of integrity? Right....


There has been no evidence that he was about to be kicked out of Florida, and Florida has no record, which means he wasn't about to be kicked out of the UF. Even if he was, he made mistakes, a mistake as a young man. It is really sad to see such hatred from someone like you, simply because a kid plays for a football team you don't like. By the way, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Marcel Dareus all actually took illegal benefits, why don't you question them? (for the record, I think Jones, Ingram, and Dareus all made boneheaded mistakes, did what the NCAA asked, and were reinstated, and moved on, something you should do with the whole Cam Newton thing)

Typical, in an effort to change the subject, how the Barners will always throw off on Jones, Ingram, and Darius. To answer your question,s, the NCAA on every one of those incidences forced the university to either sit out the player, or face other retribution. Exactly what penalty did Auburn or Newton face for thier indiscretions? None. Auburn "self policed" themselves, which is like allowing the fox to guard the henhouse.
I love it though, the more he talks the bigger hole he digs for Aubrun. Someone might want to tell him though that it does little to clarify his Christian image if he prays before the game, then mouths obsencities when the camera is on him during the game. For some of us, his play acting is not quite convincing, but then I ain't looking at it thru ornage and blue glasses while "dranking" the family Kool-Aid.


I'm not changing the subject, I'm simply given you examples of where your judgement of the situation is based entirely on what team you root for. Not to mention that you most of your posts on this topic are full of BS, most of which has been found as false, and most that is laden with wishful thinking on your part. So much BS, that I don't have time to go through your posts and and correct how wrong you are, or how many times you added your own wishful detail.
""But during this recruiting process he pointed out key things that I really didn't see until he said it. The proximity from home. I was in a place in junior college where I could not see my family for a long time. I didn't think of it at the time because I was young. Also, he pointed out the great coaching staff, senior leadership. He pointed out so many things, the fans support. There are a lot of things we talked about. He was bringing up a lot of decisions, a lot of situations. But at the end of the day I was still the one making the decision."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...x.html#ixzz17kBLlYE9"
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This explains his comments, when taken out of context, or taking it exactly at the word, "My Dad chose Auburn for me" can sound like that is what happened, when we all know there is a lot more detail in that convo, which is explained above. Did his father influence, yes, but at the end of the day, it was Cam saying he would go to Auburn. Dissecting every word of a 21 year old kid is just sad on y'alls part.
We know that the NCAA does "whatever" it wants to "whomever" it wants "whenever" it wants, but Mike Slive as commissioner of the SEC (that conference we should all be "rooting" for Wink) should have stepped in and upheld their own rules. Bylaw 14.01.3.2 of the SEC clearly states:
“If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.”

A spokesman for the SEC stated "“It only applies when there is an actual payment of an improper benefit, or an agreement (such as a handshake agreement) to pay and receive an improper benefit. The facts in this case, as we understand them, are that the
student-athlete’s father, without the knowledge of the student-athlete, solicited improper payments (which were rejected) from an institution the young man did not attend, and that the institution where the young man is enrolled was not involved.”

I guess if you were trying to justify their ruling you might say that asking for money does not constitute an agreement to receive money, but in my book it does. According to the SEC if you ask for something but don't get it there's "no harm, no foul". Regardless of whether Cam or Auburn knew about this or where he ended up playing...Cam should have been declared ineligible by the SEC according to their rules. Both Auburn and MSU are "within the conference".

This makes the SEC seem like enforcement of their rules is arbitrary and dependent on the success of the team. I'd bet that if Auburn were 6-6, the ruling would've been different. I'd also be willing too bet that if this whole "saga" were about someone else...say Terelle Pryor...Auburn fans would be a little more skeptical.
midknight... two holes
Number one.. where did you get the "rejected" part? Kenny Rogers is not the "institution", nor is the Bell character. If you are talking about the alledged conversation with "Miss State recruiters"... well, that is not proven for one. Secondly, if it is, that is why the NCAA wants to know why State kept recruiting Cam.
But in the end, the "can of worms" that gets opened is if Cam wouldve been hammered because of the actions of his dad with another school without any money changing hands.
That opens up the "gotcha" junk that Slive has tried to clean up. I gave the example earlier... Say Florida folks are mad because Trent Richardson signed with Alabama. Because they are mad, they say that Richardson's dad talked with a Florida booster about money before Trent signed with Bama. Well, if the precedent is set with Cam that that would make him ineligible at Auburn, then Trent would be ineligible at Bama.
Many experts who know more than me or you about this stuff have said over and over, solicitation is used to strengthen a case where illegal benefits have changed hands. There has never been a case of a kid being declared ineligible from all participation in college atheletics due to solicitation alone.

ps... seriously everybody... if EVERYTIME someone "on behalf of the player" mentioned money for that player to play somewhere, just what percentage of players do ya'll think would be ineligible right now??? lol
We should all close our eyes and ears and just hope together that our teams never get busted. It happens, it's a sad fact. Bama fans just hope that certain things don't come to light while Auburn fans hope certain things don't come to light...but if something does, whether a dim light or bright one, the opposing fans should just sit quietly so that their will be no crow to eat later. lol
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
We know that the NCAA does "whatever" it wants to "whomever" it wants "whenever" it wants, but Mike Slive as commissioner of the SEC (that conference we should all be "rooting" for Wink) should have stepped in and upheld their own rules. Bylaw 14.01.3.2 of the SEC clearly states:
“If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.”

A spokesman for the SEC stated "“It only applies when there is an actual payment of an improper benefit, or an agreement (such as a handshake agreement) to pay and receive an improper benefit.

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This makes the SEC seem like enforcement of their rules is arbitrary and dependent on the success of the team. I'd bet that if Auburn were 6-6, the ruling would've been different. I'd also be willing too bet that if this whole "saga" were about someone else...say Terelle Pryor...Auburn fans would be a little more skeptical.


On the flip side of this, if this bylaw would be truly enforced - how many athletes from other SEC schools other than Auburn do you think would be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career? I'm talking about those which were found guilty for receiving any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference.

I'm absolutely positive you know some who are on that list.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
midknight... two holes
Number one.. where did you get the "rejected" part? Kenny Rogers is not the "institution", nor is the Bell character. If you are talking about the alledged conversation with "Miss State recruiters"... well, that is not proven for one. Secondly, if it is, that is why the NCAA wants to know why State kept recruiting Cam.
But in the end, the "can of worms" that gets opened is if Cam wouldve been hammered because of the actions of his dad with another school without any money changing hands.
That opens up the "gotcha" junk that Slive has tried to clean up. I gave the example earlier... Say Florida folks are mad because Trent Richardson signed with Alabama. Because they are mad, they say that Richardson's dad talked with a Florida booster about money before Trent signed with Bama. Well, if the precedent is set with Cam that that would make him ineligible at Auburn, then Trent would be ineligible at Bama.
Many experts who know more than me or you about this stuff have said over and over, solicitation is used to strengthen a case where illegal benefits have changed hands. There has never been a case of a kid being declared ineligible from all participation in college atheletics due to solicitation alone.

ps... seriously everybody... if EVERYTIME someone "on behalf of the player" mentioned money for that player to play somewhere, just what percentage of players do ya'll think would be ineligible right now??? lol
We should all close our eyes and ears and just hope together that our teams never get busted. It happens, it's a sad fact. Bama fans just hope that certain things don't come to light while Auburn fans hope certain things don't come to light...but if something does, whether a dim light or bright one, the opposing fans should just sit quietly so that their will be no crow to eat later. lol


A spokesman for the SEC said that member institution (MSU) rejected the offer. This is not about Florida or Trent Richardson, and this was not "someone". This is Cam's father. It's not "rocket science". Did Cam's father violate this SEC bylaw or not? It's a simple "yes" or "no" question. If he did, Cam should have been declared ineligible by the SEC. Most Auburn fans may say "no", but like I said...if the player involved were someone else from a different school, Auburn fans would be of a different opinion. It doesn't simply say if someone receives, it says if someone receives or agrees to receive. Did Cecil agree to receive? Yes or no?

So, basically, Cecil could have "offered" Cam's services to every team in the SEC and if no one agreed to his offer there's no problem. What most fans around the country have a hard time understanding is...that's OK, but make a few bucks selling textbooks and you have to sit.

I have no idea of Cam's or Auburn's guilt or innocence in this matter. I'm just saying that the inequities between this situation and past situations is giving both the NCAA and the SEC a black eye. The conference already has a "win at any cost" reputation and this only adds fuel too the fire.
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Originally posted by tudor rose:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
We know that the NCAA does "whatever" it wants to "whomever" it wants "whenever" it wants, but Mike Slive as commissioner of the SEC (that conference we should all be "rooting" for Wink) should have stepped in and upheld their own rules. Bylaw 14.01.3.2 of the SEC clearly states:
“If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.”

A spokesman for the SEC stated "“It only applies when there is an actual payment of an improper benefit, or an agreement (such as a handshake agreement) to pay and receive an improper benefit.

. . .

This makes the SEC seem like enforcement of their rules is arbitrary and dependent on the success of the team. I'd bet that if Auburn were 6-6, the ruling would've been different. I'd also be willing too bet that if this whole "saga" were about someone else...say Terelle Pryor...Auburn fans would be a little more skeptical.


On the flip side of this, if this bylaw would be truly enforced - how many athletes from other SEC schools other than Auburn do you think would be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career? I'm talking about those which were found guilty for receiving any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference.

I'm absolutely positive you know some who are on that list.


So, since everyone else is doing it...it's OK. If the SEC is not going to enforce this...what good is it? It must be one of those "we're not really doing nothing but it looks good" things.
You misunderstand my question…

Per the SEC bylaws, unless you redefine words, no rules were broken when it comes to Cam Newton.

Per the SEC bylaws, without redefining words, there are several players at other institutions (Georgia, Kentucky and Alabama; to name a few) who have broken the bylaw.

So, shouldn’t those players who have broken the rule be ineligible to play for the SEC?

(“such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career” SEC Bylaw 14.01.3.2)
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Originally posted by tudor rose:
You misunderstand my question…

Per the SEC bylaws, unless you redefine words, no rules were broken when it comes to Cam Newton.

Per the SEC bylaws, without redefining words, there are several players at other institutions (Georgia, Kentucky and Alabama; to name a few) who have broken the bylaw.

So, shouldn’t those players who have broken the rule be ineligible to play for the SEC?

(“such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career” SEC Bylaw 14.01.3.2)


I don't understand how you can say "no rules were broken when it comes to Cam Newton", unless you're of the opinion that "asking" for money and "agreeing to receive" money are two different things. I figure if someone asks for money...they're probably gonna take it if you give it too 'em.

And yes I'm sure there are athletes all over the SEC that would be ineligible if this bylaw were enforced down to the letter.

This is an analogy of how it looks too 90% of fans around the country:
If we catch Joe Blow going 45mph in a 30mph zone, we're gonna stop him and give him a ticket. If the mayor of Florence goes 75mph in a 30mph zone...we don't care.

Neither the NCAA nor the SEC have the resources to investigate every $20 meal given too a recruit, but there's a lot of difference between a $20 meal and $180,000.

One can argue about the definitions of words all day, but this ruling gives the impression of inequality and selective enforcement...ask Pat Haden out at Southern Cal. Wink
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What was violated in Cam Newton’s case was the NCAA law 12.3.3.

I haven’t seen a scientific poll out there regarding what other fans/divisions think about the SEC or Auburn. I realize that there is animosity toward the SEC, but it cannot be singularly blamed because of a story that broke this fall of 2010 about Cam Newton and the allegations against him. There was animosity long before then. I have family in both Ohio and Kentucky. The Buckeye fans in my family hated on Alabama last year and clung to the Gadsden rumor. The Kentucky fans did too, but they were defensive about the SEC and its predominance- I wonder why? It’s all subjective. Likewise, they (OH family) also hated LSU and Florida in these past winning years.

About this SEC bylaw, there are some fans of all other schools that think Cam Newton should be ineligible to play for an SEC. But legally, and by the ruling from the NCAA, that rule wasn’t broken because there is no evidence that he received or agreed to receive anything. So, I’m wondering if those fans whom think he should be punished and be ruled ineligible to play for the SEC realize that they have players from their school who were actually proven to have received extra benefits.

And really, if you zoomed out from it; if I took off the proverbial orange/blue glasses and you took off your crimson/white glasses, surely we could see the sensationalizing from the media. For instance –and for the sake of beating a dead horse I’ll try to keep it simple: I. Church? Cecil Newton is on record on city council minutes that he had money in hand on September 21, 2009. II. The Newtons fully cooperated with NCAA with turning over their financial records. III. Kenny Rogers, a known agent already in trouble with the NFL for lying, wasn’t involved in the recruiting of Cam at OK, TN, & AU. Bad stuff is easier to believe and more desirable to believe if you are not a fan of the alleged person/program.

Mark Emmert said, “"While comparisons may be human nature, they should at least be made based on the facts." He also said, “The burden of proof is higher than what it is for somebody who's writing in a blog.”

You have to be honest about the media sensationalizing this story. More clicks on the website equates to more money. More news snippets mean more Ad revenues. If you can erase out of your mind the blog fable/rumors and replace it with the known facts, it would be clearer. If there are two men contemplating robbing a bank, but one changes his mind, you can’t blame the innocent family member of the one who changed his mind. But by association, you have NCAA law 12.3.3. Best thing I read was from a CBS reporter speaking about the Guilty until proven innocence. He finished with, “not in my America.”

@Tool: About the link you posted, to a blog nonetheless, you have to separate the fact that student-athletes are responsible for the rules violation through the eligibility process. The university is responsible for the rules in the infractions process, which the Textbook case would be umbrella-d under. So, I wasn’t insinuating the Sec bylaw was infringed upon by the textbook case. It was in cases like Marcel Dareus that the bylaw were broken.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I don't understand how you can say "no rules were broken when it comes to Cam Newton", unless you're of the opinion that "asking" for money and "agreeing to receive" money are two different things. I figure if someone asks for money...they're probably gonna take it if you give it too 'em.


I want to point out that the key words that some are missing is *receives or comes to an agreement*. That has to be proven. To say that someone asks for money, they are probably going to take it is pure speculation. You cannot use speculation. The facts are, per the ruling, that Cam did not *receive* improper benefits.
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I want to point out that the key words that some are missing is *receives or comes to an agreement*. That has to be proven. To say that someone asks for money, they are probably going to take it is pure speculation. You cannot use speculation. The facts are, per the ruling, that Cam did not *receive* improper benefits.




Speculation??? LOL Try common sense.


The facts per the ruling are...Cecil Newton is guilty of violating Cameron Newtons 'amateur status'. That ruling was based on "info they had then'...the investigation is ongoing.
I won't speculate on Cam's or Auburn's guilt or innocence, who knew what when, who asked for what, or who paid who etc.. Mainly because, I'm not privy to inside information and a lot of the stuff one reads on the internet is biased one way or the other. Also, anything besides complete praise of Cam and Auburn by a "bammer" is considered tainted. I will say, Auburn doesn't want the NCAA snooping around because they will find something. I hear much the same thing, "innocent until proven guilty", "money trail", "proof", out of Auburn fans now that I heard from Bama fans during the Means investigation. But I'm sure this will work out differently because Cam and Auburn are completely innocent.

No, I don't have any "scientific" polls, but unless one is a delusional Auburn fan or has been living in a cave for the last couple of weeks, one would see that the majority opinion of fans around the country is that this ruling by the NCAA is contradictory too what has been previously "preached". IOW "do as I say, not as I do".

The antagonism toward the SEC began several years ago, but this will surely not help. I'm sure there are others around the league that could be ruled ineligible. As Peter said violations happen everywhere. That's why you don't want the NCAA snooping around.

One could argue all day about guilt, innocence, or semantics. All I'm trying to point out is...no matter what kind of glasses you're wearing, this ruling makes the NCAA and the SEC look bad.
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Originally posted by Tool:
Speculation??? LOL Try common sense.


The facts per the ruling are...Cecil Newton is guilty of violating Cameron Newtons 'amateur status'. That ruling was based on "info they had then'...the investigation is ongoing.


Wow. Did you not read my other post above? The very first line I stated the broken NCAA rule 12.3.3. You need to understand that what midknightrider and I were talking about was the SEC bylaw 14.01.3.2. It’s simple comprehension.

You also didn’t understand my shorter post about speculation. It IS speculation to assume whether or not someone who asks for money that they would probably take it.

It’s really hard to dignify even replying to you. Keep talking about common sense and maybe you’ll get some.

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