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Just read where they found the body of the missing 5 year old in SC..... her mom has been arrested for human trafficking and basically selling her little girl for sex..... there is absolutely NO punishment that will be good enough for the mom and the guy (who admitted he had her, but is going to plead not guilty) who was caught on the hotel tape with the little girl in his arms..... I would love to be left alone with those 2 for just 3 minutes..... wouldn't kill them... just make them wish they were dead.....maybe do to them what that chimp did to that woman a while back, only not give them any medical treatment afterward.
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I've read about this. Isn't the guy the former boyfriend of the mom's sister or something?

Let's PLEASE keep abortion legal. Also, we should start printing and distributing pamphlets with information on abortion and the pros of being sterilized, so that idiots like that don't bring innocent children into the world to murder later on. I'M FOR MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT!

Mad
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
I've read about this. Isn't the guy the former boyfriend of the mom's sister or something?

Let's PLEASE keep abortion legal. Also, we should start printing and distributing pamphlets with information on abortion and the pros of being sterilized, so that idiots like that don't bring innocent children into the world to murder later on. I'M FOR MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT!

Mad



Keeping abortion legal won't help situations like this. These people won't have abortions; just like they won't take the pill. They want to have the children to use for their own sick personal gain.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
That makes a lot of sense WIP. We should probably kill all babies so that nothing bad can ever happen again.


I don't equate abortion with murder the way you do. While I realize a fetus is not exactly just a clump of cells, it's not exactly a baby yet, either - not a life that is self-sustaining without a host, i.e. mom's body.

I do realize bad things will happen to a child throughout his/her life no matter what; my views aren't that simplistic. But too many people are carrying through with pregnancies they don't want and if you're just going to severely neglect or kill the child (at some point) anyway.....I'm a realist that way, Ronnie.
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Originally posted by run2me:
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
I've read about this. Isn't the guy the former boyfriend of the mom's sister or something?

Let's PLEASE keep abortion legal. Also, we should start printing and distributing pamphlets with information on abortion and the pros of being sterilized, so that idiots like that don't bring innocent children into the world to murder later on. I'M FOR MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT!

Mad



Keeping abortion legal won't help situations like this. These people won't have abortions; just like they won't take the pill. They want to have the children to use for their own sick personal gain.


That is, unfortunately, true. It is way to easy to prevent a pregnancy so legal abortion or not will not change the status quo.
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Originally posted by barracus:
It is way to easy to prevent a pregnancy so legal abortion or not will not change the status quo.


Birth control instructions, when explained to the general public (or to those with more than a double-digit IQ), are fairly easy to understand and work when followed properly. However, the problem is usually cultural. Children are being raised in homes with parents that believe kids won't have sex if they're told to abstain or because the kids go to church on Sundays and know it's a sin; that's extremely naive.

I give you Sarah Palin as an example. In her new book, she states that she didn't realize her daughter Bristol was having sex. What? Wasn't the boyfriend living with them? I just don't understand that level of ignorance.

I believe there are more people that get pregnant unintentionally than intentionally (to reap benefits). So, again, my argument is for true sex education from parents and for churches (especially that Catholic one) to stop discouraging the use of birth control. This will prevent many, many unwanted preganancies and abortions, and the right-wing nut jobs will be happy.
Abstinence is still the best birth control method as that also prevents diseases, teen trauma and ruined lives. Abortion should only be used in an emergency, not because someone is too ignorant to prevent a pregnancy.

If you wish to blame the Catholic church, why are all those families with 15 children not Catholic?

Sarah Palin is not Catholic. She probably thought as most parents do, that if they tell their children not to have sex, they won't. I also believe most of those same parents also realize that expectation is a pipe dream. I doubt that any child over the age of 10 has not seen ads for birth control or surfed the web on the subject.

As for unintentional pregnancies, a little common sense could go a long way.

As for a level of ignorance: explain the now common practice of renting a hotel room for your graduating teen and her boyfriend?
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Originally posted by barracus:
Abstinence is still the best birth control method as that also prevents diseases, teen trauma and ruined lives. Abortion should only be used in an emergency, not because someone is too ignorant to prevent a pregnancy.

If you wish to blame the Catholic church, why are all those families with 15 children not Catholic?

Sarah Palin is not Catholic. She probably thought as most parents do, that if they tell their children not to have sex, they won't. I also believe most of those same parents also realize that expectation is a pipe dream. I doubt that any child over the age of 10 has not seen ads for birth control or surfed the web on the subject.

As for unintentional pregnancies, a little common sense could go a long way.

As for a level of ignorance: explain the now common practice of renting a hotel room for your graduating teen and her boyfriend?


If you agree that the expectation for children to abstain is a "pipe dream" for parents, then you have to agree children are actually having sex anyway. That's my argument, barracus. Yes, abstinence is the best birth control method; I get that. I don't think most teens are emotionally mature enough to have sex, but they are still having sex. I don't know anyone my age that abstained before marriage and chances are you don't either. Parents just have to face this as fact.

As for the Catholic church, I don't blame it all on them. I don't, however, understand their position on birth control, which is no one should use it - not even married couples. (I suppose any chance for sperm to meet egg should not be squandered in their view.) But then I also don't understand moving child-molesting priests from parish to parish instead of having them arrested, either. And the family with 15 kids made the choice to have that many children; that's one family. What the Catholic church (and others, I'm sure) encourages (or discourages) impacts millions of people.

Personally, as a parent, I would not rent a hotel room for my son when he's a teenager. I also wouldn't buy him alcohol with the caveat that he can drink it as long as he stays at our home and doesn't drive, like so many other parents; alcoholic beverages will be prohibited until he's 21 in my home. (Yes, I know, he'll probably drink anyway.) Discouraging behavior doesn't mean you are encouraging other behavior on the flip side. Being realistic about sexual behavior doesn't mean I'm going to encourage my son to have sex as a teen. I will inform him that abstinence is the best way to go and follow that by making sure he understands how conception happens and how diseases are passed from person to person. Knowing me, I'll probably throw in a few statistics.
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Originally posted by Marcelene:
Seriously, thank you so much Wild Irish Prose. I was unaware about the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control. That is very interesting. Do they only have intercourse/sex for the reason of reproducing?


It would seem that's what they encourage; I'm not Catholic, however. If you want real answers, maybe try asking the AA at St. Joseph's there in Florence; I'm sure he/she could tell you for sure.
I truly believe abortion would not have prevented this.The the people involved in this were evil.I know that might be a too simplistic term to use but I believe that there is true evil in this world.If the woman had not of had the child she would have abducted another child.Possibly a relative in order to fulfill her desires.This also goes to the boyfriend.If the woman had not offered her child he would have raped one.Abortion would not have not have soothed the demons that lived in those too.
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
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Originally posted by Marcelene:
Seriously, thank you so much Wild Irish Prose. I was unaware about the Catholic Church and their policy on birth control. That is very interesting. Do they only have intercourse/sex for the reason of reproducing?


It would seem that's what they encourage; I'm not Catholic, however. If you want real answers, maybe try asking the AA at St. Joseph's there in Florence; I'm sure he/she could tell you for sure.



The Pope, as a general rule, always advances the 'go forth and multiply', however, the priests will tell you common sense prevails if you cannot take care of more than 2.

Birth control follows two lines of thinking: the rhythm method and abstinence.


As for abstained before marriage, yes, I did.
Sorry to disappoint.
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Originally posted by barracus:
The Pope, as a general rule, always advances the 'go forth and multiply', however, the priests will tell you common sense prevails if you cannot take care of more than 2.

Birth control follows two lines of thinking: the rhythm method and abstinence.


As for abstained before marriage, yes, I did.
Sorry to disappoint.


I'm not personally disappointed that you waited until marriage, other than now I can't invite you join my little club. Darn! Members include Paris Hilton and Carrie Prejean - basically anyone with a "tape" is eligible to join. I'm joking, of course. Some idiot on here will think I'm serious. You don't actually have to furnish a tape to join. Big Grin

I'm sure your decision to abstain was disappointing to anyone you dated before your spouse. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
That makes a lot of sense WIP. We should probably kill all babies so that nothing bad can ever happen again.


I don't equate abortion with murder the way you do. While I realize a fetus is not exactly just a clump of cells, it's not exactly a baby yet, either - not a life that is self-sustaining without a host, i.e. mom's body.

I do realize bad things will happen to a child throughout his/her life no matter what; my views aren't that simplistic. But too many people are carrying through with pregnancies they don't want and if you're just going to severely neglect or kill the child (at some point) anyway.....I'm a realist that way, Ronnie.


I do believe the word "Fetus" is latin for baby.
This story is so very sad. Its sad enough when you hear about children being abducted by strangers. The fact that this innocent little girl knew the people that were doing this to her breaks my heart. As far as the abortion issue, this woman would have never opted for abortion, having the extra kid gave her too much in benefits provided by the state no doubt.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by geddon97:
I truly believe abortion would not have prevented this.


The only abortion that would have prevented this was the abortion of the mother and boyfriend many years ago. There are times I'm truly in favor of retroactive abortion.



Can`t argue with ya on that one Zipp.
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Originally posted by FLO50:
Funny, I thought this was about a murder committed by two low life adults. What in the world does this have to do with abortion and the Catholic church?


Look back on the posts and you'll see how it evolved. (Yes, I know that I was the one in the driver's seat.) Everyone's going to say that these monsters can't be punished enough; that's obvious. The greater point I'm trying to make is that it goes back to cultural norms and religious views about sex education (that's where the Catholic church comes in). Maybe if this low life mom knew how to use birth control, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant to begin with.

Building on that, I realize there are women out there that are baby-making machines just for the government benefits. I don't think, however, that most women get pregnant on purpose, and if you can prevent at least some unwanted pregnancies, isn't sex education worth it? I'm also well aware of the part of the country I'm living in and that I'm in the minority with my views on abortion. I don't actually like abortion as an option, but given the choice between wishing a woman would go ahead and abort or give birth then abuse or kill the kid later, I choose the former.

So here's how it's all connected: sex education = prevention of unwanted pregnancies = prevention of much child abuse (after the child is born). There.
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Originally posted by Wild Irish Prose:
Maybe if this low life mom knew how to use birth control, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant to begin with.


How about if the father had kept his zipper zipped? Following your line of thinking he is just as guilty as the mother in all this. The only form of birth control that works 100% of the time is ABSTINENCE!!!! If schools would teach that along with the other methods, it might help. Also, I have 4 friends who were on the pill, did not skip any and still got pregnant....

I talked with a lady I work with who is a VERY devout "cradle" Catholic (born a Catholic, did not convert from another religion) and she said Catholics use a method called "billings"... may be spelling it wrong. It sounds to me like a form of the rhythm method (knowing when the female is most fertile and restraining from sex during that time).
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
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Originally posted by geddon97:
I truly believe abortion would not have prevented this.


The only abortion that would have prevented this was the abortion of the mother and boyfriend many years ago. There are times I'm truly in favor of retroactive abortion.


I agree...the punishment I would dole out would get me put in prison for life...so unfair that they get to share the air we breath...

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