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For those that believe, those Christians no physical or tangible proof is needed or necessary and to those that are unbelievers, those so against God, whether Atheist, Agnostics, or just those made at believers and God in general no proof would or will ever be sufficient to them.

Valid or not the story about the finding of the real Noah's Ark or the speculation or stories about the Shroud of Turin being the burial shroud of Jesus Christ, they will always be discounted by some doubters.

If verified though it would be on more reason though that the unbelieving doubters or some of them, might wonder about their positions and such dogmatic statements that they have made int he past. That's assuming though that they would finally accept it is a valid story.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Jesus came to them and said: "Peace be with you." -- (Jn 20:26) He then said to Thomas: "Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe." --(Jn 20:27) Thomas said to Jesus: "My Lord and my God!" -- (Jn 20:28) Jesus said to Thomas: "Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed." -- (Jn 20:29)

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Originally posted by Sofa King:
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If verified though it would be on more reason though that the unbelieving doubters or some of them, might wonder about their positions and such dogmatic statements that they have made int he past.


And if they are found to be false what does this circus act to to the Christian religion?


i don't think it will do much.

after all, it's called 'Faith" for a reason.

if this isn't THE Ark, and is proven not to be, then big deal. just because it hasn't been found doesn't mean it never existed.
after all, the science types are still looking for, and firmly beliving in something they ironiclly call The God Particle. ifthey don't find it with the next test, it means they will try again, not give up.

which amuses me when they belittle people who have faith in the whole God, not just the particle, and insult them for continuting to believe despite the lack of proof, while they go on with powerful faith that their bosun partical exists, despite not finding it.

i've never met Genghis Kahn, but that doesn't mean he didn't exist. a lack of evidence doesn't equal fiction. unless you're a lawyer.

i don't think there will be much change in any direction, whether this is noah's or not. believers will still believes, non believers still won't.
It is very interesting .. IF not then yes very interesting how this ship that dates that far back did get up on the top of the mountain. If it is then surely one (disbeliever) should ask how does Noah or whoever they want to call him know to build such an ark, ship, of such dimensions that it could provide them safety and even more know that far in advance ( over a hundred years ) that such an event was coming that would require such a ship? The believer would say that God told him along with the directions and instructions maybe the unbeliever would say some alien species came down and did it. Either way it's like the origins of Humans, it is FAITH and a matter of Faith. There is a vast difference though between supporters of the various thoughts of human origins. One side is very dogmatic and abhors any dissension from that view in fact promotes any objectors or advocates of opposing opinions to be fired or dismissed or as Ben Stein says "Expelled". Now who is tolerant of opposing views? Sort of the pot calling the kettle black for those, years ago, fought strongly and advocated giving opposing thoughts exposure. They fought and felt it horrible if you didn't teach all views yet today, now that their view is in vogue they want to suppress all other views or any view involving God or Intelligent Design creation. Now who is being hypocritical?
People claim to find the ark every 10 years or so. When they go back with cameras and video equipment, inevitably either the Turkish govt. has closed the region due to the PKK or else the glacier has shifted.

They come off the mountain with a few pieces of wood and claim this was all they could salvage.

Go to YouTube, and there are about 3 or 4 variations of different re-discoveries. I honestly think the wood would have rotted by now, even covered with a glacier as some claim, since that glacier has mysterious Ark Glacier Wax and Wane Syndrome, rendering it open to air and then recovering it.
Hi all,

There is an article at Institute For Creation Research web site regarding this issue:

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http://www.icr.org/article/535...e+Update+from+ICR%29

Dr. Morris studied photographs and video clips sent to him two weeks ago. He noted there aren't any images to help place where exactly on Ararat the site is.

"It doesn't look like what I expected it to be," he said.

A possibility, he mentioned, is that it could be a structure from a post-Flood settlement, which would be amazing as well. NAMI reported that human settlements haven't been found above 3,000 meters (9,843 feet) above sea level in the area. This structure supposedly sits at more than 4,000 meters (13,123 feet).1

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God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
Since I started the topic I want to be quick to post updated information as I find it ... good or bad pro or con. Not many will do this but I feel it is beholding anyone that starts an issue to update it as they find out additional information.

Latest Link about "It's a Hoax"

Few doubted that it would hold up and many others doubted about the ark to begin with. As I said many times before, For those that believe no Ark, evidence, or any other proof is necessary and for those that don't then no Ark, evidence, or proof would ever be sufficient.

Unlike many though I'm quick to post also an article about it being a hoax. Do I wish it were true? Certainly! I'd love, before I die, to actually be able to see it or view it just like I'd like to see the Shroud or if ever found the Ark of the Covenant, as well as a trip to Israel but none of that do I base my personal faith upon.

Is it real? Is it a Fake? Time and further details will emerge I'm sure.
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Not saying this is the actual Ark that Noah built, but how does a large ship end up near the top of a 4000 meter mountain?



Answer: Impossible unless someone planted it there. 'Nuff said.

Anyone seen Bigfoot recently?


I've never seen Ark Seeds in the garden center. How would you plant an ark?

No representation is made that the quality of humor expressed in this post is greater than the quality of humor from any other post.
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I believe, if memory serves me correctly, that Noah and his sons covered the entire ship, inside and out, with pitch to seal it. I may be wrong, but, if not, that might explain why the wood hasn't rotted.



Tar treated wood doesn't last 10 years in my yard. How could it last 4800 years?

Wouldn't a much simpler explanation be that the thing was PLANTED there? Why would you continue to even want to beleive this thing has any credibility at all? As GB said matters of faith require no evidence. Insisting on evidence for faith is a display of weak faith.
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Originally posted by Sofa King:
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I believe, if memory serves me correctly, that Noah and his sons covered the entire ship, inside and out, with pitch to seal it. I may be wrong, but, if not, that might explain why the wood hasn't rotted.



Tar treated wood doesn't last 10 years in my yard. How could it last 4800 years?

Wouldn't a much simpler explanation be that the thing was PLANTED there? Why would you continue to even want to beleive this thing has any credibility at all? As GB said matters of faith require no evidence. Insisting on evidence for faith is a display of weak faith.


As far as I'm concerned, it takes TONS more faith to believe that all of creation was a product of a one in a googol chance than to believe in Intelligent Design. I don't insist on evidence, but evidence is very cool.
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Did Noah make mini-arks to send the animals off to the Antipodes? Did they all swim to Australia, NZ, and New Guinea? Dang you pesky marsupial-based mammalian life forms Down Under!

No, Neal,

Don't you remember? Darwin created all of them!

And, he had help from ET aliens!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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As far as I'm concerned, it takes TONS more faith to believe that all of creation was a product of a one in a googol chance than to believe in Intelligent Design.


What the heck does that have to do with Noah's Ark?


You're the one who brought up faith, so ask yourself.

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