For those that accept the Bible as God's word and believe in God no tangible proof is necessary and to those that don't believe no amount of proof will ever be enough.

After death, upon passing from this realm (the Physical) into the next realm (The Spiritual) those questions will definitely be answered. Rest assured that very few if any atheist or agnostics will make that transition without wondering, in those last seconds, about their life long decisions that they have made and the "what-ifs" cross their mind for a brief last moment in time.

The saddest thing is though that the excuse that they never had a chance or opportunity to make a choice will be removed.
ah yes... because we ALL know how reliable The SUN is. it's right up there the weekly world news, the paper that found a WWII bomber on the moon.

i'm not saying anything about the ark, here.
i'm saying that if the sun told us that rain was wet, i'd have to take samples before i believe it.
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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
physically impossible for 2 of EVERY animal to fit on there.


The only possible way that Noah's Ark, or any vessel could have saved "every animal" would be in the case of a limited flood that miraculously covered only that portion of the earth occupied by the evil men and women that were to be destroyed by the flood. The saved animals would be only those found within that relatively small part of the earth. But the hard-line conservatives will not accept that. Thus, the burden lies with them to show how New World (North American and South and Central American) animals made it to the ark. I have not found anyone who could explain that except by claiming that God made it happen miraculously.

If God needed to destroy sinful mankind, saving righteous Noah, why would He have had to flood the entire earth, since in the time Noah lived, presumably the human race occupied a very limited territory?

And, by the way, I don't buy into the Usher Chronology, so I do not accept the 4,800 year datum as the time of Noah.

Another dilemma for the literalists: If the earth was entirely flooded, was it a freshwater flood or a saltwater flood. If it was the former, then the saltwater-dependent species would have died out during the flood. If it was the latter, then the freshwater species would have all perished. My limited flood theory does not have to worry about such things.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
physically impossible for 2 of EVERY animal to fit on there.


The only possible way that Noah's Ark, or any vessel could have saved "every animal" would be in the case of a limited flood that miraculously covered only that portion of the earth occupied by the evil men and women that were to be destroyed by the flood. The saved animals would be only those found within that relatively small part of the earth. But the hard-line conservatives will not accept that. Thus, the burden lies with them to show how New World (North American and South and Central American) animals made it to the ark. I have not found anyone who could explain that except by claiming that God made it happen miraculously.

If God needed to destroy sinful mankind, saving righteous Noah, why would He have had to flood the entire earth, since in the time Noah lived, presumably the human race occupied a very limited territory?

And, by the way, I don't buy into the Usher Chronology, so I do not accept the 4,800 year datum as the time of Noah.

Another dilemma for the literalists: If the earth was entirely flooded, was it a freshwater flood or a saltwater flood. If it was the former, then the saltwater-dependent species would have died out during the flood. If it was the latter, then the freshwater species would have all perished. My limited flood theory does not have to worry about such things.



While your points as well as the initial questions/speculations are well put and founded the simple answer would be thus. IF this is Noah's Ark and you accept that it was GOD that forwarned Noah and gave him foresight and instructions as to how to build the ark then God would have figured out all those impossibilities that are impossible to man and that would have been taken care of. For those that believe in God they know God works miracles and would have no problem taking care of those things. For those who don't believe in God then it really doesn't matter does it for none of this existed or is all fables anyway.
personally, I feel that anybody who believes this stuff suffers from a mental defect and should be barred from public office, that would include so called public "servants".. I don't want anybody who believes in these fairy tales in a position of authority over me whatsoever.. They can't be trusted
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
personally, I feel that anybody who believes this stuff suffers from a mental defect and should be barred from public office, that would include so called public "servants".. I don't want anybody who believes in these fairy tales in a position of authority over me whatsoever.. They can't be trusted


Interesting comment, seeing that most of the men who wrote the constitution and served in offices in the past believed this so called "fairy tale". My suggestion is you get you a copy of Haley's Bible Handbook and look at the flood archaeology, it's numerous.
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Originally posted by gbrk:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
physically impossible for 2 of EVERY animal to fit on there.


The only possible way that Noah's Ark, or any vessel could have saved "every animal" would be in the case of a limited flood that miraculously covered only that portion of the earth occupied by the evil men and women that were to be destroyed by the flood. The saved animals would be only those found within that relatively small part of the earth. But the hard-line conservatives will not accept that. Thus, the burden lies with them to show how New World (North American and South and Central American) animals made it to the ark. I have not found anyone who could explain that except by claiming that God made it happen miraculously.

If God needed to destroy sinful mankind, saving righteous Noah, why would He have had to flood the entire earth, since in the time Noah lived, presumably the human race occupied a very limited territory?

And, by the way, I don't buy into the Usher Chronology, so I do not accept the 4,800 year datum as the time of Noah.

Another dilemma for the literalists: If the earth was entirely flooded, was it a freshwater flood or a saltwater flood. If it was the former, then the saltwater-dependent species would have died out during the flood. If it was the latter, then the freshwater species would have all perished. My limited flood theory does not have to worry about such things.



While your points as well as the initial questions/speculations are well put and founded the simple answer would be thus. IF this is Noah's Ark and you accept that it was GOD that forwarned Noah and gave him foresight and instructions as to how to build the ark then God would have figured out all those impossibilities that are impossible to man and that would have been taken care of. For those that believe in God they know God works miracles and would have no problem taking care of those things. For those who don't believe in God then it really doesn't matter does it for none of this existed or is all fables anyway.


Granted, God, being God, could have done anything He wanted insofar as preserving life during the Flood.

But the Biblical acount says nothing at all about God employing any miraculous means for this puprose. The story of the ark posits the construction of a rescue ship presumably of a capacity adequate to stow 7 pairs of each kind of clean animal and 2 pairs of each kind of unclean animal. One would presume that fish and other aquatic species would be able to take care of themselves, since they were adapted to living in water and a flood would be a "so what?" to them.

In other Biblical accounts where the hand of God has moved miraculously and powerfully, the Biblical record makes it clear that this is the case, and indeed the creation of the Flood is a miraculous and powerful thing. But the miracle was the Flood itself. The scriptural record nowhere makes or implies any claim that God supernaturally made room for more animals than an ark of the size described could physically accomodate.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by gbrk:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
physically impossible for 2 of EVERY animal to fit on there.


The only possible way that Noah's Ark, or any vessel could have saved "every animal" would be in the case of a limited flood that miraculously covered only that portion of the earth occupied by the evil men and women that were to be destroyed by the flood. The saved animals would be only those found within that relatively small part of the earth. But the hard-line conservatives will not accept that. Thus, the burden lies with them to show how New World (North American and South and Central American) animals made it to the ark. I have not found anyone who could explain that except by claiming that God made it happen miraculously.

If God needed to destroy sinful mankind, saving righteous Noah, why would He have had to flood the entire earth, since in the time Noah lived, presumably the human race occupied a very limited territory?

And, by the way, I don't buy into the Usher Chronology, so I do not accept the 4,800 year datum as the time of Noah.

Another dilemma for the literalists: If the earth was entirely flooded, was it a freshwater flood or a saltwater flood. If it was the former, then the saltwater-dependent species would have died out during the flood. If it was the latter, then the freshwater species would have all perished. My limited flood theory does not have to worry about such things.



While your points as well as the initial questions/speculations are well put and founded the simple answer would be thus. IF this is Noah's Ark and you accept that it was GOD that forwarned Noah and gave him foresight and instructions as to how to build the ark then God would have figured out all those impossibilities that are impossible to man and that would have been taken care of. For those that believe in God they know God works miracles and would have no problem taking care of those things. For those who don't believe in God then it really doesn't matter does it for none of this existed or is all fables anyway.


Granted, God, being God, could have done anything He wanted insofar as preserving life during the Flood.

But the Biblical acount says nothing at all about God employing any miraculous means for this puprose. The story of the ark posits the construction of a rescue ship presumably of a capacity adequate to stow 7 pairs of each kind of clean animal and 2 pairs of each kind of unclean animal. One would presume that fish and other aquatic species would be able to take care of themselves, since they were adapted to living in water and a flood would be a "so what?" to them.

In other Biblical accounts where the hand of God has moved miraculously and powerfully, the Biblical record makes it clear that this is the case, and indeed the creation of the Flood is a miraculous and powerful thing. But the miracle was the Flood itself. The scriptural record nowhere makes or implies any claim that God supernaturally made room for more animals than an ark of the size described could physically accomodate.

Bunk beds?
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
uh-huh.. and how did they get all over the world where animals are unique to their continents?
It amazes me that people can take myth as fact..

Here ya go Noahs ark believers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded


The theory of Pangaea (which basically states that the continents were all connected forming one big "supercontinent") is probably true. Before Noah's flood, all of the land masses on earth were all joined to form one continent. This would eliminate the idea that animals would have to cross oceans to reach the ark.

If all of the animals lived on one continent, the environment and climate was probably consistent throughout the entire land. Therefore, animals would not adapt to their different climates because there was only one "superclimate." Any animals in existence would have already been adapted to their climate. Therefore, without the need for adaption, many less species of animals would have been in existence.

In addition, the story of Noah's flood explains the origin of tectonic plates. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Genesis 7:11 KJV) The "fountains of the great deep" refers to the water beneath the crust of the earth. The LORD caused these waters to burst forth from underneath, cracking and breaking the earth's crust and creating the tectonic plates. Thus, after the flood, the continents separated and all the animals of the earth were divided. Then, as climates changed due to the new location of the continents, the animals changed to adapt. This is called horizontal evolution; evolution within one class of animal.

YES, I copied and pasted this! Makes lots of sense to me.
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
personally, I feel that anybody who believes this stuff suffers from a mental defect and should be barred from public office, that would include so called public "servants".. I don't want anybody who believes in these fairy tales in a position of authority over me whatsoever.. They can't be trusted


Interesting comment, seeing that most of the men who wrote the constitution and served in offices in the past believed this so called "fairy tale". My suggestion is you get you a copy of Haley's Bible Handbook and look at the flood archaeology, it's numerous.



There are plenty of people that refuse to believe anything that falls out of what they were indoctrinated to believe. They don't want to know the truth. They don't want to realize that our laws and Constitution was written and composed by men who were believers. While some may not have been church members there is nothing that indicates they didn't all believe in a supreme God as Creator. The Laws we live by are drawn up from the "People's Law' derived from Anglo Saxons and from Ancient Israel's government as given in Exodus through Numbers.

People are so against any religion or God that they want to re-write history and eliminate any reference to God or Religion.
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
personally, I feel that anybody who believes this stuff suffers from a mental defect and should be barred from public office, that would include so called public "servants".. I don't want anybody who believes in these fairy tales in a position of authority over me whatsoever.. They can't be trusted


OK, so you start a thread about Puerto Rico becoming the 51st state and link to some right-wing ultra-conservative blog commentary. Now you are blasting those same conservatives that believe in the "fairy tale." How about you pick a side and stick to it?
There's no such thing as unbiased news anymore.. The socialists didn't even want anyone to know what they are up to.. so you haven't heard a peep about this from them.. It's another cheese bag move by this administration to shure up 15 million new socialist votes.



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Originally posted by lawguy07:
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
personally, I feel that anybody who believes this stuff suffers from a mental defect and should be barred from public office, that would include so called public "servants".. I don't want anybody who believes in these fairy tales in a position of authority over me whatsoever.. They can't be trusted


OK, so you start a thread about Puerto Rico becoming the 51st state and link to some right-wing ultra-conservative blog commentary. Now you are blasting those same conservatives that believe in the "fairy tale." How about you pick a side and stick to it?
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The theory of Pangaea (which basically states that the continents were all connected forming one big "supercontinent") is probably true. Before Noah's flood, all of the land masses on earth were all joined to form one continent.


This has been proven. Several years ago, scientists in Antartica discovered fossilized remains of giraffes.
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Originally posted by forumaddict2:
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
uh-huh.. and how did they get all over the world where animals are unique to their continents?
It amazes me that people can take myth as fact..

Here ya go Noahs ark believers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded


The theory of Pangaea (which basically states that the continents were all connected forming one big "supercontinent") is probably true. Before Noah's flood, all of the land masses on earth were all joined to form one continent. This would eliminate the idea that animals would have to cross oceans to reach the ark.

If all of the animals lived on one continent, the environment and climate was probably consistent throughout the entire land. Therefore, animals would not adapt to their different climates because there was only one "superclimate." Any animals in existence would have already been adapted to their climate. Therefore, without the need for adaption, many less species of animals would have been in existence.

In addition, the story of Noah's flood explains the origin of tectonic plates. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Genesis 7:11 KJV) The "fountains of the great deep" refers to the water beneath the crust of the earth. The LORD caused these waters to burst forth from underneath, cracking and breaking the earth's crust and creating the tectonic plates. Thus, after the flood, the continents separated and all the animals of the earth were divided. Then, as climates changed due to the new location of the continents, the animals changed to adapt. This is called horizontal evolution; evolution within one class of animal.

YES, I copied and pasted this! Makes lots of sense to me.


You just can not have it both ways. If you believe that the Flood occurred only about 5,000 years ago, then it is irrational to suggest that tectonic plates that were allelgedly formed in association with the flood would have resulted--in only 5,000 years or so--in the separarion of continents into the configurations and positions that they now occupy.

The notion that Genesis 7:11 has anything to do with tectonic plates is pure speculation, generated by some of the extreme "Young Earth"
creationists who are stretching and torquing about any scripture they can in their attempt to show that the earth is only 6,000 or so years old. These are the same zealots who try to argue that dinosaurs and humans co-existed. PUL-e-e-e-ZE!
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
personally, I feel that anybody who believes this stuff suffers from a mental defect and should be barred from public office, that would include so called public "servants".. I don't want anybody who believes in these fairy tales in a position of authority over me whatsoever.. They can't be trusted


Considering the wonderful job our elected leaders that are mostly non-believers are doing I would have to agree with you.
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Originally posted by Jugflier:

Interesting comment, seeing that most of the men who wrote the constitution and served in offices in the past believed this so called "fairy tale". My suggestion is you get you a copy of Haley's Bible Handbook and look at the flood archaeology, it's numerous.


Yeah, You know those folks like Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Paine. Roll Eyes
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Few doubted that it would hold up and many others doubted about the ark to begin with. As I said many times before, For those that believe no Ark, evidence, or any other proof is necessary and for those that don't then no Ark, evidence, or proof would ever be sufficient.

Unlike many though I'm quick to post also an article about it being a hoax. Do I wish it were true? Certainly! I'd love, before I die, to actually be able to see it or view it just like I'd like to see the Shroud or if ever found the Ark of the Covenant, as well as a trip to Israel but none of that do I base my personal faith upon.

Is it real? Is it a Fake? Time and further details will emerge I'm sure.

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