Ive been in this forum for over15 months now. The church I belong to has been attacked time and time again by those calling themselves CHRISTians in here. Folks, let me tell you something. Your behavior has driven me deeper into my church. None of you have tried to bring me into the fold you belong to, NONE of you. There hasnt been CHRIST like behavior for me to look unto. and after doing research on some of you and the religious organizations you claim to be from, I have come to the conclusion that the Athiest in here show a more CHRIST like behavior than many of you calling yourself CHRISTian.

 

BG, Better, and a few others are the most UN CHRIST like examples I have ever witnessed in my life. They seem not to have any spirituality but approach Religion from a secular direction..

 

      I have found that none of your religions have provisions for the following and hardly any organization. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints covers all these and if yours doesn't , then it cannot and is not CHRISTS organization and you must fall under the verses in  Matthew 7:22-23.

also Matthew 7:16

 

Does your church have all the positions the original one did? Prophet, Apostles, Teachers, Deacons, Elders, Priest etc.?

Does your church Provide a way for those who died without hearing of CHRIST, to receive baptism as was practiced in Bibical days?

Does your church have an UNPAID CLERGY as in Christs organization?

Does your church have a world wide organization with total order and each church teaching the same lessons on sunday?

Does your church have its own welfare program for its members all over the world?

Does your church Promise Families can be together forever?

Does your church teach Husbands and wifes will be married in heaven?

Does your church teach that mothers that lose children as infants will be able to raise them after the ressurection?

Does your church teach that children that dont reach the age of accountability and die, go to Heaven?

Does your church teach that we will not be punished for Adams transgression?

Does your church require SACRIFICE of its members?

Does you church have the members give the sermons on Sundays?

Does your church have a missionary program that reaqches around the world with over 50 thousand missionaries on two yeaqr missions that they pay for themselves and the church doesnt?

Does your church Allow the children to attend the sacrament meeting with the parents?

Does your church believe in modern revelation from God?

      In 15 months of getting attacked, none of you have given me reason to join your church. None have tried to show me the good points of your church. If you all were new car sales people, You would starve from never selling a car!!!

 

So folks, in 15 months you have shown me that none of your churches can hold a candle to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!  Especially  William.

 

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Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:

Ive been in this forum for over15 months now. The church I belong to has been attacked time and time again by those calling themselves CHRISTians in here. None of you have tried to bring me into the fold you belong to, NONE of you. I have come to the conclusion that the Athiest in here show a more CHRIST like behavior than many of you calling yourself CHRISTian.

 

BG, Better, and a few others are the most UN CHRIST like examples I have ever witnessed in my life.    I have found that none of your religions have provisions for the following and hardly any organization. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints covers all these and if yours doesn't , then it cannot and is not CHRISTS organization and you must fall under the verses in  Matthew 7:22-23.

also Matthew 7:16

 

In 15 months of getting attacked, none of you have given me reason to join your church. None have tried to show me the good points of your church.

So folks, in 15 months you have shown me that none of your churches can hold a candle to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!  Especially  William.

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If I have ever offended you with my questions or any statement I've made disagreeing with you, I'm truly sorry. I know I'm not one of the Christians you speak of but even a non-Christian can offend others.

I've said many times that the Atheist have treated me better than Bill Gray ever has. I can't think of any others here that has treated me badly except Bill & one other, who will remain nameless but she will know who she is. Bill is not a Christian, he only wears the hat. If you don't know that by now, it shouldn't take you long to figure it out.

 

As far as comparing churches, what they do/don't do, shouldn't matter. If you are happy where you are, I wouldn't be concerned about the good/bad points of any church. No church is the same, no matter how many you visit. It shouldn't concern you if one church is better than another church. Find one you're happy with & stick with it.

I don't agree with the Mormon's but I don't agree with the teachings of the COC either.  

 

 


 

I don't agree with the Mormon's but I don't agree with the teachings of the COC either.

 

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Skippy I think you know  I don't attack your church either, because again, to me one is no worse or better than the other. I don't attack their gods since I don't believe in them. It's the things people do in those gods names that I have a problem with.

Hi Dwight,

If you are happy in your church; so be it.  But, it is still a cult church -- it still is not a Christian church -- and, according to the Bible (the only Written Word of God), there is no salvation in a cult church.

But, if you are happy -- what can I say?  Still, I and others who know the Truth of the Bible, WILL ALWAYS refute the false, cult teachings of the Mormon church when you post them on the Religion Forum.

And, regarding the Mormon church's claim to be "other sheep" Jesus speaks of in John 10:16, "I have other sheep, which are not of  this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd" -- sorry, my Friend,  those "other sheep" are the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ first came to His own people, the Jews -- but, He came with the intention of including all people, Jew and Gentile, in his salvation.

The apostle Paul tells us, in Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."   All believers are one in Christ.

Mark 16:19, "So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Hebrews 10:12-14, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Waiting for what?  He is waiting until that "last person who will be saved" is saved -- and, then, He will come back in the air to Rapture His church, His body of believers worldwide, Jew and Gentile, into heaven to be with Him eternally.

As these Scripture passages tell us -- Jesus Christ DID NOT visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s.  He was in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father -- interceding for all Christian believers (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 8:34).

Now, maybe your Mormon Jesus Christ did visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s, in upstate New York.  Hey, I have had spirit visits myself which I thought were my maternal grandfather.  But, I have since learned, from the Bible, that these were manifestations of dark spirits, not heavenly spirits, which I encountered.  This was a result of my delving into the New Age religions.  So, it is likely that your Joseph Smith had a similar visitation.

But, Jesus Christ in upstate New York in the 1800s?  No way!

Jesus Christ will return in the clouds to Rapture His church (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18).  Then, at the end of the seven year Tribulation, He will return in glory, HIs Second Coming, when He will return to earth in Jerusalem.  We read about this in Revelation 19:11-21.

Yes, Dwight, you and I constitute His "other sheep" since we are Gentiles.  But, no one can be among His "other sheep" as long as they are worshiping in a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:

Ive been in this forum for over15 months now. The church I belong to has been attacked time and time again by those calling themselves CHRISTians in here. None of you have tried to bring me into the fold you belong to, NONE of you. I have come to the conclusion that the Athiest in here show a more CHRIST like behavior than many of you calling yourself CHRISTian.

 

BG, Better, and a few others are the most UN CHRIST like examples I have ever witnessed in my life.    I have found that none of your religions have provisions for the following and hardly any organization. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints covers all these and if yours doesn't , then it cannot and is not CHRISTS organization and you must fall under the verses in  Matthew 7:22-23.

also Matthew 7:16

 

In 15 months of getting attacked, none of you have given me reason to join your church. None have tried to show me the good points of your church.

So folks, in 15 months you have shown me that none of your churches can hold a candle to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!  Especially  William.

_______________________________________________________________

If I have ever offended you with my questions or any statement I've made disagreeing with you, I'm truly sorry. I know I'm not one of the Christians you speak of but even a non-Christian can offend others.

I've said many times that the Atheist have treated me better than Bill Gray ever has. I can't think of any others here that has treated me badly except Bill & one other, who will remain nameless but she will know who she is. Bill is not a Christian, he only wears the hat. If you don't know that by now, it shouldn't take you long to figure it out.

 

As far as comparing churches, what they do/don't do, shouldn't matter. If you are happy where you are, I wouldn't be concerned about the good/bad points of any church. No church is the same, no matter how many you visit. It shouldn't concern you if one church is better than another church. Find one you're happy with & stick with it.

I don't agree with the Mormon's but I don't agree with the teachings of the COC either.  

 

 


 


we are ok semi

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight,

If you are happy in your church; so be it.  But, it is still a cult church -- it still is not a Christian church -- and, according to the Bible (the only Written Word of God), there is no salvation in a cult church.

But, if you are happy -- what can I say?  Still, I and others who know the Truth of the Bible, WILL ALWAYS refute the false, cult teachings of the Mormon church when you post them on the Religion Forum.

And, regarding the Mormon church's claim to be "other sheep" Jesus speaks of in John 10:16, "I have other sheep, which are not of  this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd" -- sorry, my Friend,  those "other sheep" are the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ first came to His own people, the Jews -- but, He came with the intention of including all people, Jew and Gentile, in his salvation.

The apostle Paul tells us, in Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."   All believers are one in Christ.

Mark 16:19, "So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Hebrews 10:12-14, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Waiting for what?  He is waiting until that "last person who will be saved" is saved -- and, then, He will come back in the air to Rapture His church, His body of believers worldwide, Jew and Gentile, into heaven to be with Him eternally.

As these Scripture passages tell us -- Jesus Christ DID NOT visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s.  He was in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father -- interceding for all Christian believers (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 8:34).

Now, maybe your Mormon Jesus Christ did visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s, in upstate New York.  Hey, I have had spirit visits myself which I thought were my maternal grandfather.  But, I have since learned, from the Bible, that these were manifestations of dark spirits, not heavenly spirits, which I encountered.  This was a result of my delving into the New Age religions.  So, it is likely that your Joseph Smith had a similar visitation.

But, Jesus Christ in upstate New York in the 1800s?  No way!

Jesus Christ will return in the clouds to Rapture His church (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18).  Then, at the end of the seven year Tribulation, He will return in glory, HIs Second Coming, when He will return to earth in Jerusalem.  We read about this in Revelation 19:11-21.

Yes, Dwight, you and I constitute His "other sheep" since we are Gentiles.  But, no one can be among His "other sheep" as long as they are worshiping in a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill, you have told others I am your Mormon friend and even put it in here.  Lets get this straight!  I AM NOT YOUR MORMON FRIEND> WE ARE NOT FRIENDS AT ALL MORMON OR OTHERWISE> I SEE YOU AS SOMETHING I NEED 6 TUBES OF PREPERATION "H" TO TRY TO ERADICAte!!!

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Dwight, just ignore Bill and a few others and don't worry about it. Bill appears to get on a lot of peoples nerves on here but that shouldn't stop you from posting. There are also some who love and seem to enjoy arguing. So what? It's a free country and you are free to be whatever and believe anything you want to.

I don't agree with half the people on here about certain things but so what? I have as much right to my opinion as they do theirs. Life goes on. It ain't no big deal in the big scheme of things.
quote: Originally Posted by Dwight WoolyBugger:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight,

If you are happy in your church; so be it.  But, it is still a cult church -- it still is not a Christian church -- and, according to the Bible (the only Written Word of God), there is no salvation in a cult church.

But, if you are happy -- what can I say?  Still, I and others who know the Truth of the Bible, WILL ALWAYS refute the false, cult teachings of the Mormon church when you post them on the Religion Forum.

And, regarding the Mormon church's claim to be "other sheep" Jesus speaks of in John 10:16, "I have other sheep, which are not of  this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd" -- sorry, my Friend,  those "other sheep" are the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ first came to His own people, the Jews -- but, He came with the intention of including all people, Jew and Gentile, in his salvation.

The apostle Paul tells us, in Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."   All believers are one in Christ.

Mark 16:19, "So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Hebrews 10:12-14, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Waiting for what?  He is waiting until that "last person who will be saved" is saved -- and, then, He will come back in the air to Rapture His church, His body of believers worldwide, Jew and Gentile, into heaven to be with Him eternally.

As these Scripture passages tell us -- Jesus Christ DID NOT visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s.  He was in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father -- interceding for all Christian believers (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 8:34).

Now, maybe your Mormon Jesus Christ did visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s, in upstate New York.  Hey, I have had spirit visits myself which I thought were my maternal grandfather.  But, I have since learned, from the Bible, that these were manifestations of dark spirits, not heavenly spirits, which I encountered.  This was a result of my delving into the New Age religions.  So, it is likely that your Joseph Smith had a similar visitation.

But, Jesus Christ in upstate New York in the 1800s?  No way!

Jesus Christ will return in the clouds to Rapture His church (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18).  Then, at the end of the seven year Tribulation, He will return in glory, HIs Second Coming, when He will return to earth in Jerusalem.  We read about this in Revelation 19:11-21.

Yes, Dwight, you and I constitute His "other sheep" since we are Gentiles.  But, no one can be among His "other sheep" as long as they are worshiping in a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

Bill, you have told others I am your Mormon friend and even put it in here.  Lets get this straight!  I AM NOT YOUR MORMON FRIEND> WE ARE NOT FRIENDS AT ALL MORMON OR OTHERWISE> I SEE YOU AS SOMETHING I NEED 6 TUBES OF PREPERATION "H" (SIC) TO TRY TO ERADICAte!!!

Hi Dwight,

 

I am truly sorry you do not consider me a Friend.  Even in your misguided, heavy-handed way -- I still consider you a Forum Friend.  Oh, well, I guess we cannot win them all.

 

Regarding the Preparation H -- that photo you posted looks like someone who has eaten several tubes.  Whoever that guy is -- he needs Prep H for his face and for his disposition.  If you know that guy -- you really should suggest that he get help.

 

So, from this aggressive attack -- I presume you DO NOT have an answer for what I wrote about prophets and about "other sheep."   No problem, we all know that you are only pulling, in desperation, from all your Mormon resources -- hoping someone will believe some of it.  Sorry, my Friend -- no cigar!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote: Originally Posted by Dwight WoolyBugger:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight,

If you are happy in your church; so be it.  But, it is still a cult church -- it still is not a Christian church -- and, according to the Bible (the only Written Word of God), there is no salvation in a cult church.

But, if you are happy -- what can I say?  Still, I and others who know the Truth of the Bible, WILL ALWAYS refute the false, cult teachings of the Mormon church when you post them on the Religion Forum.

And, regarding the Mormon church's claim to be "other sheep" Jesus speaks of in John 10:16, "I have other sheep, which are not of  this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd" -- sorry, my Friend,  those "other sheep" are the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ first came to His own people, the Jews -- but, He came with the intention of including all people, Jew and Gentile, in his salvation.

The apostle Paul tells us, in Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."   All believers are one in Christ.

Mark 16:19, "So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Hebrews 10:12-14, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Waiting for what?  He is waiting until that "last person who will be saved" is saved -- and, then, He will come back in the air to Rapture His church, His body of believers worldwide, Jew and Gentile, into heaven to be with Him eternally.

As these Scripture passages tell us -- Jesus Christ DID NOT visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s.  He was in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father -- interceding for all Christian believers (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 8:34).

Now, maybe your Mormon Jesus Christ did visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s, in upstate New York.  Hey, I have had spirit visits myself which I thought were my maternal grandfather.  But, I have since learned, from the Bible, that these were manifestations of dark spirits, not heavenly spirits, which I encountered.  This was a result of my delving into the New Age religions.  So, it is likely that your Joseph Smith had a similar visitation.

But, Jesus Christ in upstate New York in the 1800s?  No way!

Jesus Christ will return in the clouds to Rapture His church (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18).  Then, at the end of the seven year Tribulation, He will return in glory, HIs Second Coming, when He will return to earth in Jerusalem.  We read about this in Revelation 19:11-21.

Yes, Dwight, you and I constitute His "other sheep" since we are Gentiles.  But, no one can be among His "other sheep" as long as they are worshiping in a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

Bill, you have told others I am your Mormon friend and even put it in here.  Lets get this straight!  I AM NOT YOUR MORMON FRIEND> WE ARE NOT FRIENDS AT ALL MORMON OR OTHERWISE> I SEE YOU AS SOMETHING I NEED 6 TUBES OF PREPERATION "H" (SIC) TO TRY TO ERADICAte!!!

Hi Dwight,

 

I am truly sorry you do not consider me a Friend.  Even in your misguided, heavy-handed way -- I still consider you a Forum Friend.  Oh, well, I guess we cannot win them all.

 

Regarding the Preparation H -- that photo you posted looks like someone who has eaten several tubes.  Whoever that guy is -- he needs Prep H for his face and for his disposition.  If you know that guy -- you really should suggest that he get help.

 

So, from this aggressive attack -- I presume you DO NOT have an answer for what I wrote about prophets and about "other sheep."   No problem, we all know that you are only pulling, in desperation, from all your Mormon resources -- hoping someone will believe some of it.  Sorry, my Friend -- no cigar!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

bILL, i HAVE  a picture for you but I dont want to put it here on the public forum,  please start a private dialog with me and I will send it to you. If it is who I think it is , you may want to contact the site and demand they drop it or sue them. Then again it might not be your wife.

Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:

Ive been in this forum for over15 months now. The church I belong to has been attacked time and time again by those calling themselves CHRISTians in here. Folks, let me tell you something. Your behavior has driven me deeper into my church. None of you have tried to bring me into the fold you belong to, NONE of you. There hasnt been CHRIST like behavior for me to look unto. and after doing research on some of you and the religious organizations you claim to be from, I have come to the conclusion that the Athiest in here show a more CHRIST like behavior than many of you calling yourself CHRISTian.

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So folks, in 15 months you have shown me that none of your churches can hold a candle to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!  Especially  William.

 
Wooly, Skippy, or Dwight whoever and whichever applies I have posted many replies and have not, to my knowledge "attacked" you.  I think, if you recall, as I believe should be done in instances where we disagree, I posted what I believed the scriptures (Bible (OT & NT) ) to say and indicate and the reasons why I thought so.  I have ask some questions about where you got some teachings.  I didn't ever get that you were wanting to be invited to join another Church.  While there are many churches (buildings and groups) on Earth none are "The Church" that will be brought up with Christ and achieve the Glorified bodies in the new Kingdom for that Church consist of all true genuine believers who have put their faith in Jesus Christ as savior and as their sacrifice for their sins and sin nature.  God knows who they are by His Holy Spirit that He placed within their bodies to reside and assist their own inner created spirit/soul.  That is the important Church to know and assure yourself that you are a part of. 
That said I would like to say that while I'm sure you have had reasons to be defensive the only real judgement comes later after the Day of the Lord.  I personally believe that each should question their own faith, continually, to insure that they have not been lead astray by a deceptive spirit or are relying on emotions as such happens in every Church and Religious organization.  Our only real assurance is God's Holy Spirit that can and does reveal truth of the scriptures to us but we have to have His Spirit before that can happen.   The New Testament scriptures are very specific about how this is achieved, through faith, and in my mind precede and supersede any other publications or documents that proceed to tell you what you must do. 
While, yes, there are many who will willingly tell you that you are in a "cult" church or religion the real and only person that matters is yourself.  Do you personally feel comfortable with the discrepancies and claims that have been made against some of the leaders, teachings, and documents of the LDS?  It is assumed you believe them, in your heart and mind or you would not be here representing them.  IF though they are wrong and go against the original KJV Bible or any other accepted translation then you should, as any other believer/Christian/member of a Church ask themselves of the doctrines they believe and adhere to why am I not truly comfortable with those teachings or that specific information.  If you look for a CHURCH then you will find other flawed people just like you and just like me.  People that will judge you, people that will offend you, people that will show you the love of Christ and people that sin.  You join or accept a Church because they hold teachings and doctrine similar and exactly as you believe Scriptures to reveal and teach.  God's word can be interpreted many ways by many people but God truly has only one meaning and interpretation for His Believer/Christian and together all Christians work together to build up the Body of Christ ( The true CHURCH) not made with bricks or wood but made held together with God's Holy Spirit. 
 
If you do have doubts or concerns then I suggest that there may be a reason but in order to find the answers you need and want to find you have to eliminate the externals that throw up barriers to you listening to what God has to say to you.  You will always run into people, in every religion or denomination, that will judge you, place their own expectations upon you and cause a defensive reaction.  Sometimes if you have a concern and ONE person you trust or that God leads you to then establish a private dialog and work together but not all Christians judge you or condemn you.  If we do not accept the LDS Church's teachings we may confront you with questions (true not all take that approach) but each person should be confident why they believe within their own heart and mind willing to always check it against the Scriptures and more important to what God may be telling us through His Holy Spirit.   Stick with it, hang in there but don't let your emotions drive you into areas where you close your heart, your mind, and your eyes.  Christ said He came not to Judge but to meet needs.  Everyone has needs of some kind and Christ, just like God's Holy Spirit has the ability to look into our very souls and hearts and create that curiosity and amplify that need and desire within.  God does work through and by various saints of God, fellow believers but God's Holy Spirit reaches in and deals with each of us first and foremost and creates that call or that THIRST for real truth and fitfulness and truly NO Church or Organization can truly hold a candle to that.
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Thank you, Ronnie and O No.   I have reported him to the TD Mods.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


BILL! I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THE PICTURE< I WAS TOLD IT WAS YOUR WIFE AND IT HAS A CAPTION WRITTEN ON IT> THE CAPTION IS NOT NICE AT ALL> I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR WIFE>IF IT WAS MY WIFE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT SO I COULD TAKE STEPS TO HAVE IT REMOVED>  DO A DIOLOG< I WILL PROVE I AM NOT LYING< I WILL NOT TELL YOU WHO SENT IT> YOU WILL WANT TO CONTACT THE SIGHT IF IT IS YOUR WIFE> I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR WIFE LOOKS LIKE. AND I DONT KNOW IF IT IS HER BUT I WAS TOLD IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

NOW, BEFORE YOU GET ME KICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU MISSUNDERSTOOD MY OTHER POST TO YOU, I ASK YOU TO FORWARD THIS ONE TO THE MODS TOO.

I must have missed something?   Whatever it is/was it sounds like something that should be deleted immediately and never made it onto the forum. 

 

Dwight, I do know that you have issues with Bill and maybe visa versa but whether he or you or anyone else has issues with another forum member I concur that none of us should be bringing in families or loved ones for the sake of hurting someone.   We all have issues with each other from time to time and unfortunately there is no ignore in this software load to use,  so other than what we can do through personal will power.  I suggest if Bill really gets to you that bad or if you see there is absolutely no way to have a dialog or discussion with each other respectfully then I respectfully suggest you ignore him and request he do the same to you.  Just don't respond to any more post or replies.  But that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

I must have missed something?   Whatever it is/was it sounds like something that should be deleted immediately and never made it onto the forum. 

 

Dwight, I do know that you have issues with Bill and maybe visa versa but whether he or you or anyone else has issues with another forum member I concur that none of us should be bringing in families or loved ones for the sake of hurting someone.   We all have issues with each other from time to time and unfortunately there is no ignore in this software load to use,  so other than what we can do through personal will power.  I suggest if Bill really gets to you that bad or if you see there is absolutely no way to have a dialog or discussion with each other respectfully then I respectfully suggest you ignore him and request he do the same to you.  Just don't respond to any more post or replies.  But that's just my opinion.

LOOKS LIKE NO ONE IS GETING IT. I HAD A PICTURE SENT ME THROUGH THIS FORUM AND WAS TOLD IT WAS BILLS WIFE. IT HAS A NOT SO NICE CAPTION ON IT AND IT IS POSTED ON A MAJOR SITE ON THE NET. IF IT IS HIS WIFE OR NOT I DONT KNOW BUT I REALLY THINK HE NEEDS TO SEE WHAT I HAVE. IF IT IS HIS WIFE IM SURE HE WOULD WANT IT REMOVED FROM THAT SITE. I AM NOT TALKING BAD ABOUT HIS WIFE!!!!!!!  IM TRYING TO DO HIM A FAVOR AND SAVE HIM SOME IMBARASSMENT. IF HIS WIFE EVER SAW WHAT IS ON IT SHE WOULD CRY.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight,

If you are happy in your church; so be it.  But, it is still a cult church -- it still is not a Christian church -- and, according to the Bible (the only Written Word of God), there is no salvation in a cult church.

But, if you are happy -- what can I say?  Still, I and others who know the Truth of the Bible, WILL ALWAYS refute the false, cult teachings of the Mormon church when you post them on the Religion Forum.

And, regarding the Mormon church's claim to be "other sheep" Jesus speaks of in John 10:16, "I have other sheep, which are not of  this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd" -- sorry, my Friend,  those "other sheep" are the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ first came to His own people, the Jews -- but, He came with the intention of including all people, Jew and Gentile, in his salvation.

The apostle Paul tells us, in Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."   All believers are one in Christ.

Mark 16:19, "So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Hebrews 10:12-14, "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool.  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Waiting for what?  He is waiting until that "last person who will be saved" is saved -- and, then, He will come back in the air to Rapture His church, His body of believers worldwide, Jew and Gentile, into heaven to be with Him eternally.

As these Scripture passages tell us -- Jesus Christ DID NOT visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s.  He was in heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father -- interceding for all Christian believers (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 8:34).

Now, maybe your Mormon Jesus Christ did visit with the teenage Joseph Smith in the 1800s, in upstate New York.  Hey, I have had spirit visits myself which I thought were my maternal grandfather.  But, I have since learned, from the Bible, that these were manifestations of dark spirits, not heavenly spirits, which I encountered.  This was a result of my delving into the New Age religions.  So, it is likely that your Joseph Smith had a similar visitation.

But, Jesus Christ in upstate New York in the 1800s?  No way!

Jesus Christ will return in the clouds to Rapture His church (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18).  Then, at the end of the seven year Tribulation, He will return in glory, HIs Second Coming, when He will return to earth in Jerusalem.  We read about this in Revelation 19:11-21.

Yes, Dwight, you and I constitute His "other sheep" since we are Gentiles.  But, no one can be among His "other sheep" as long as they are worshiping in a cult church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Don't pay any attention to Bill. He belongs to a cult church also.

been in this forum for over15 months now. The church I belong to has been attacked time and time again by those calling themselves CHRISTians in here. Folks, let me tell you something. Your behavior has driven me deeper into my church. None of you have tried to bring me into the fold you belong to, NONE of you. There hasnt been CHRIST like behavior for me to look unto. and after doing research on some of you and the religious organizations you claim to be from, I have come to the conclusion that the Athiest in here show a more CHRIST like behavior than many of you calling yourself CHRISTian.

 

BG, Better, and a few others are the most UN CHRIST like examples I have ever witnessed in my life. They seem not to have any spirituality but approach Religion from a secular direction..

 

      I have found that none of your religions have provisions for the following and hardly any organization. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints covers all these and if yours doesn't , then it cannot and is not CHRISTS organization and you must fall under the verses in  Matthew 7:22-23.

also Matthew 7:16

 

Does your church have all the positions the original one did? Prophet, Apostles, Teachers, Deacons, Elders, Priest etc.?

Does your church Provide a way for those who died without hearing of CHRIST, to receive baptism as was practiced in Bibical days?

Does your church have an UNPAID CLERGY as in Christs organization?

Does your church have a world wide organization with total order and each church teaching the same lessons on sunday?

Does your church have its own welfare program for its members all over the world?

Does your church Promise Families can be together forever?

Does your church teach Husbands and wifes will be married in heaven?

Does your church teach that mothers that lose children as infants will be able to raise them after the ressurection?

Does your church teach that children that dont reach the age of accountability and die, go to Heaven?

Does your church teach that we will not be punished for Adams transgression?

Does your church require SACRIFICE of its members?

Does you church have the members give the sermons on Sundays?

Does your church have a missionary program that reaqches around the world with over 50 thousand missionaries on two yeaqr missions that they pay for themselves and the church doesnt?

Does your church Allow the children to attend the sacrament meeting with the parents?

Does your church believe in modern revelation from God?

      In 15 months of getting attacked, none of you have given me reason to join your church. None have tried to show me the good points of your church. If you all were new car sales people, You would starve from never selling a car!!!

 

So folks, in 15 months you have shown me that none of your churches can hold a candle to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!  Especially  William.

 

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You keep searching for the Church" that is right for you. The "Church" you search for is inside you. You must have a personal relationship with God. A building or a group of people can only assist you along your way. God is there inside you. You must seek him.

Bugger--

 

You have come on this forum aggressively promoting your cultic nonsense and then becoming offended when anyone poses very powerful challenges to the bizarre theological holdings of the Mormon Cult. Instead of attempting to forthrightly and substantively answer those challenges, you take lazy and cowardly recourse in your old silly contention that you asked God about the matter and God told you you were right  and that those of us who disagree with you need to go to God with an honest heart and ask for wisdom, whereupon God will tell us that you are indeed right. That, Bugger, is about the silliest, most tuck-tail cowardly way of conducting meaningful discussion that I have seen anywhere on this forum.   Apparently you are not perceptive enough to realize that your high-handed pretext to having a direct pipeline to the Divinity is inherently insulting and offensive.  

 

Time after time, Bugger-Dwight-Skippy, various ones of us have shown you, from Mormon source materials, some of the many zany utterances of the "great" Mormons of the past.   We have provided Biblically-sound analyses of the false doctrines of the Mormon cult, clearly showing how inconsistent your belief system is with the Bible that you purport to honor.  We have pointed out contradictions within the false scriptures embraced by Mormons and additional contradictions between those scriptures and some of the writings of major league Mormon false prophets of the past. In reply, all you have been able to do, B-D-S, is to tell us that you must be right and we must be wrong, since God Himself has told you so.  Horse puckey, balderdash, and bullfeathers, Bugger! I am tired of your one-note unresponsiveness and your cowardly retreat from the ethics, protocols and and standards of reasoned discussion. If you wish to have any respectability on this forum, you need  to start facing the real issues being raised about your cultic belief system and at least attempt to mount some kind of credible defense of your faith.  Thus far, you have utterly failed to do so! 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You know bettern-nun, if you've ever said what denomination you are I missed it, and it makes me wonder, if you haven't, what are you hiding? Could it be that you can't or don't want to, answer questions about your cult?

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He mentioned one time, many months ago that he was COC. So bettern-nun is now Contendah?

 

 

Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
Seriously? That's crazy semi! I've never seen anything posted by you that would merit being banned. Bill must be confused.

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He denied it, of course, but I know it to be a fact.

He's not confused, he just doesn't like it when someone questions his lies.

quote: Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
quote: Originally Posted by O No!:

Yeah Semi, he implied he had a compromising picture of Bill's wife.

I saw that but I didn't think they would jump on Bill's demand so fast. He's trying to have me banned too but won't admit it.

Hi Chick,

 

Over the years, I have only reported a couple of people for using language too crude and lewd to be on a public forum.   Those were, to the best of my knowledge, only guys.   The time that Deep was banned for flying the "F" banner -- I did not report him.  Either someone else did -- or the Mods picked up on it themselves.  


But, Chick, I have never reported you for anything.  After all, why should I report a Friend?

 

I did report Fish in years past for several offenses.  Once, he went on the internet, found a photo of me, modified it, and tried to use that as his avatar.  Another time, he pulled a Buffalo and tried to use my name, Bill Gray, by changing the spacing and putting in a period.  While, over the years, he has pulled a few other stunts.  I did report him on those two.  But, they only made him change it -- and did not ban him.   At least, not for my complaints.

 

And, when Dwight asked me to Private Message him, I did -- and gave him my e-mail address.  He and I have been exchanging e-mails over this situation.  It appears that someone sent Dwight a crude photo telling him that was my wife.  At least, that is what he tells me.   If that is the case, then that person -- and Dwight for even mentioning the photo on the open forum -- are to blame.  As O No told him, he could have Private Messaged me if he was truly concerned and wanted to help.   But, I did PM him, and he and I are communicating.

 

But, no, Chick, I have not tried to get you, Jennifer, or any of my other Friends, lady or otherwise, banned.  As a matter of fact, I did not ask them to ban Dwight.

 

Yet, I pray that we can all learn from this.  We can have discussions, debates, even arguments -- without becoming crude and lewd -- and without involving other member's families and spouses. 

 

We are very fortunate that the TimesDaily (Tennessess Valley) provides this fantastic forum site for us.   We should be thanking them -- not giving them reason to ban anyone.  Let's have open, active, intelligent, and, yes, at times, even heated discussions.  But, let's keep them civil, intelligent, and leave personal family retorts out of our dialogues.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by O No!:

AARGH! I did NOT put a winking face beside the sad face. When I tried to edit it out, it just reposted. I hate computers!

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Hi, my sweet friend!! If you put your mouse over the garbage can near where you edit, you can delete a post.

bill chose to scream his nonsense to the people in the Shoals. California is a big place.  i really wish bill would deliver his message door to door in Cal.  bill has turned more people away from the church.......any church........than anyone I know.

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