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Why Christians Should Not Vote Republican Part I: Abortion


Many Christians in America align themselves with the Republican party. Once upon a time, I was among their number, but after a renewed commitment to my faith, I found that the more I studied and understood my faith, the more my old conservative ideology crumbled away. Today, I am convinced that the Republican party and its values are far from the values that God would have us embrace and that Republicans and many Christian leaders in America today have more in common with the Pharisees than with Jesus.

90 percent of the time, when you ask a Christian why he or she votes Republican you will find that a big factor is that he or she finds voting for a politician who supports abortion unconscionable. I’ve been there myself as a fellow pro-life Christian and know that the intentions are honorable, but the sad truth is that the issue of abortion is simply a political football in American politics. While Christian voters pat themselves on the back for pulling the Republican lever election after election, nothing has changed to stop the deaths of millions of unborn children every year and nothing will if Christians keep allowing themselves to be manipulated by politicians.

Consider that it has been over 30 years since Roe v. Wade, and we are no closer to overturning that decision today. More importantly, Republicans have had control of all three branches of government for six of the last eight years. From 2000 to 2006, we had a Republican majority in Congress, a Republican President, and 7 Republican appointed judges out of the 9 justices on the Supreme Court. And yet, no legislation was ever passed to challenge Roe v. Wade.

Instead of making excuses for the Republicans, we need to call a spade a spade: the abortion issue is a wonderful carrot to dangle in front of Christians to get their vote every election cycle, and the Republican party sees no reason to take that carrot off the table any time soon. Keeping things the way they are is a win-win because it keeps the Christian vote coming in while preventing the Republicans from experiencing the serious political damage that they should expect from any serious attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade. A majority of Americans support Roe v. Wade and have supported it ever since 1973 with little fluctuation. While sad, it is the reality that we face, and the Republican party is not going to risk turning off so many voters for the benefit of a voting block that they can evidently keep in their pocket with little more than lip service.

So where does that leave us if we admit that Christian voters are being manipulated for political gain?

Well, for starters, we need to realistically look at the limites of electoral politics. As indicated above, no political party is going to have the political capital to legislate the overturning of Roe v. Wade any time soon. When it comes to government actions, we are left with embracing policies that can reduce the number of abortions performed.

It so happens that policies that fight poverty supported by the Democratic party (and other left-leaning parties such as the Green Party and independents like Ralph Nader) and opposed by the Republican party can reduce the number of abortions because many woman get abortions out of a sense that they will not be able to financially support a child. Easing the economic strain of low-wage earners, making child-care accessible to single mothers for work and for school, and ensuring that all people can receive decent health care - these moral and Biblical issues of standing up for the poor while fully worthy as issues in their own right have the virtue of reducing the conditions that tempt people into getting abortions.

So if you are a Christian, consider voting next time for a candidate whose policies will better honor God’s concern for the poor and thereby better combat abortions, instead of voting for an empty promise.
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Originally posted by JJPAUL:
Asking a Republican for logic is a mistake, everything they believe in is just slogans. Notice, the most important issue to them, abortion, is not even mentioned in the Bible.



THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!!!!
It is in the Bible... it's a commandment!!!!!
No it does not come out and say ABOTION, but ABORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by redbull:
And who is making that choice for the tiny LIFE inside? Who is also a PERSON.


That would be the person who is doing the carrying. Not you, not me, not anyone else.


People like you is what makes this world so sinful now! Being open minded is NOT a good thing. But one day you will stand before God and you will be judged for your actions and words that you say here on Earth!
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flotown79, please educate yourself on McCains stance. He also doesn't believe the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should tell a woman what to do or not do with the life inside her. He wants to take it out of Federal and place it back in State.

I said FEDERAL or STATE governments dont have the right to tell a woman what to do. So if you are going to quote me quote me correct.


No the government should not pay for them either. If a woman chooses to have one she and her family should carry the cost.
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Originally posted by TaylO:
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by redbull:
And who is making that choice for the tiny LIFE inside? Who is also a PERSON.


That would be the person who is doing the carrying. Not you, not me, not anyone else.


People like you is what makes this world so sinful now! Being open minded is NOT a good thing. But one day you will stand before God and you will be judged for your actions and words that you say here on Earth!



Maybe it is people like you who are so obsessed with this one issue of wanting to force your ideas or morality on others that has brought our country to the verge of bankruptcy by voting for people like George W Bush, who is on record with Rove as laughing at you.
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Originally posted by TaylO:
THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!!!!
It is in the Bible... it's a commandment!!!!!
No it does not come out and say ABOTION, but ABORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!


Actually, it says kill, not murder. And still, it is not your decision to make and not yours to answer for.

It is also a commandment to remember the Sabbath day and to keep it Holy. Sabbath started today at sundown and will end tomorrow at sundown. Are you keeping this commandment?
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Originally posted by TaylO:
People like you is what makes this world so sinful now! Being open minded is NOT a good thing. But one day you will stand before God and you will be judged for your actions and words that you say here on Earth!


Everyone alive sins, even you. Being open minded is a very good thing.

You are absolutely right that one day I will stand before God and be judged. I do not fear or worry about that day.
Just for info, the King James version of the Bible says 'kill',as do some other versions, the original Hebrew translation was 'murder'. One can be an accident, the other is planned, therefore the ability to plead manslaughter or negligence.
Abortion planned out is murder, an accidental miscarriage is not. Note the term 'miscarriage'.

I am for leaving Roe vs Wade alone due to the fact that without it, there is the possibility of two deaths during an abortion, not one.
The mother will have to deal with her own conscience.
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Originally posted by TaylO:
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Originally posted by JJPAUL:
Asking a Republican for logic is a mistake, everything they believe in is just slogans. Notice, the most important issue to them, abortion, is not even mentioned in the Bible.



THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!!!!
It is in the Bible... it's a commandment!!!!!
No it does not come out and say ABOTION, but ABORTION IS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!


So should people not join the military? Should capital punishment be stopped? What about drunk drivers that kill people?
Wow, I keep getting blamed for being "Republican" when I stated, in the beginning, that I'm not a Party Gal. I vote my conscience. If a Democrat takes a strong pro-life stance and pro-traditional marriage (as taught in the Bible and demonstrated by the majority of Americans), I will gladly vote Democrat.

There have been a lot of comments about abortion, here, and we differ greatly. I stated before that I felt it my responsibility to speak up if I knew someone is contemplating it. That's my freedom. Their freedom is to tell me they don't want to hear it. Either way, I've made an appeal. The same way a person who sees a parent abusing a child and speaks up or reports them.

A blanket-bash of Republicans is saying they are all alike. Nothing could be further from the truth, just as not all Democrats are alike. Nor Independents. I'd rather avoid that type of generalization. One thing is definitely clear, and that is that both parties - just like everyone of us here - aren't perfect. But on average, it has been the Republican party that takes the pro-life stance. You fail to mention that banning partial birth abortion was voted through and President Clinton refused to sign it. And Barak Obama voted against banning it...and continues to say he will sign a bill that aborting an unborn child at any time is what he will do if he is elected.

Actually, the act of harming and killing the unborn child *IS* mentioned in the Bible. In Exodus 21:22-23 it speaks of an unborn baby being injured or killed while a pregnant woman's husband is involved in a struggle with another man.

If her "fruit" departs from her and yet no mischief follows... she's okay, the baby's okay, a fine is charged to the othe man. By this, I'm assuming he is the one guilty of starting the fight or causing her injury. If, however, her fruit departs from her (she delivers the baby)and "mischief" follows ...the baby has been injured, then the punishment is changed to "eye for eye, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, etc." If the baby dies as a result of an untimely delivery, then the punishment is "life for life."

No, the word "abortion" is not mentioned. The passage is talking about God's view of injuring the unborn by accident. How much worse, then, His judgment when a baby is injured or killed purposely? I cannot fathom what we, as as nation, will face for the 40+million babies aborted since Roe v. Wade. If we continue to permit and legalize abortions - and I blame both parties for not doing more about this - what ultimate "fine" will we pay?

The issue is pretty clear cut. God says the baby's life is valuable. So much so that He will not let those who injure or destroy the baby by without punishment. I don't see anywhere in the N.T. that Jesus did away with that. In fact, He made it a point to hold the little ones on His lap and said, "If anyone offends one of these little ones, it would be better for that person to have a millstone hung around his neck and be drowned." Pretty clearcut judgment from the One Who also shows compassion. Compassion and anger against sin and evil aren't at odds with each other.

A woman's right to her body ends with the right her baby has to live and breathe. Before you jump in and criticize, remember I don't base this on MY belief, but on a standard of right and wrong as stated by the Lord Himself. And therein lies the problem. We don't want anyone telling us what we can and can't do, so we deny the truth of God's Word.

Abortion is a terrible thing for the child. The mother may regain her "freedom," which means there is no child to support or care for or raise, but what does that freedom cost her?
You don't hear much about the women that have nightmares and depression and commit suicide when they can't handle the stress and guilt of what they've done.

There is a local ministry working with many of these women on a daily basis. They counsel them, hold them while they cry, give them an opportunity to have a memorial service for their little one, etc., etc. Women are being healed of their grief through this.

This same ministry also helps young mothers who decide to keep their babies, has showers for them, helps them get assistance, etc., etc. So to ask where is the compassion for the mother who can't afford the baby is again throwing out a blanket statement.

When someone accuses me or those who believe like me of "having no compassion" for women in this position and call us Pharisees, and remind us that Jesus is a man of compassion (and He truly is) ... and then say things like "As far as I'm concerned, Republicans can go to hell," you are doing the very thing you've accused us of doing.
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PCGal and Backwoods,

God bless you for your willingness to take a stand for the life of unborn babies -- and for the Sanctity of Traditional Marriage!

It seems that few are willing to stand against the abuse of the Liberal Left, Secular Humanists, Atheists -- and all their Liberal Politician bedfellows.

Thank you -- with all my heart.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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