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KS. How can you attempt to justify their actions? First of all the police were ordered to stand down to make sure no violence erupted. But as soon as the protestors started defacing one of our nation's monuments, the police should have been allowed to detain all of the kooks and do whateveer was necessary to stop them. Freedom of speech is one thing but the last time I checked, destruction of property is not protected by the constitution. The only reason the police were not allowed to break this up is because they would have have portrayed as the jerks who interrupted the anti-war protest.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
KS. How can you attempt to justify their actions? First of all the police were ordered to stand down to make sure no violence erupted. But as soon as the protestors started defacing one of our nation's monuments, the police should have been allowed to detain all of the kooks and do whateveer was necessary to stop them. Freedom of speech is one thing but the last time I checked, destruction of property is not protected by the constitution. The only reason the police were not allowed to break this up is because they would have have portrayed as the jerks who interrupted the anti-war protest.


Whoa!!! It was not "I" who justified their actions... it was the Capitol's Police that did that!!!!

Did I say I agreed? Hell no, I didn't, ... but for God's sake, dont come on here jumping on me for what the POLICE allowed...

That should NOT have happened.. but it is a proven fact that people will only do what is ALLOWED of them to do, and for some reason the Capitol Police decided to let them, even calling off the local police from stopping it... So THERE you have it...

Read the entire article, and stay off my back for what YOU read, and what the Police COULD have stopped!!! Mad

And I DO NOT BELIEVE that the only reason they didn't stop them was to keep from looking like jerks... I think they didn't stop them is because of what it said in the article, that the clean up crew could clean it up very easily. So OBVIOUSLY, they already KNEW how to handle it... probably because it has happened before with other groups.
KS. I didn't mean to imply you justified their actions. But your argument that people who are allowed to get away with doing something wrong will do it. Only unethical people will do this. Most of us were taught when we were little about right and wrong. I know I don't need the law to remind me that I shouldn't steal or kill someone. There is no way in hell I would even attempt to spray paint the nation's capitol. I doubt you would too.

These people did this because the knew the police were helpless. I thought that anti-war protestors were still pro-American.

As for cleaning the mess up, that's like saying because you can clean up someone's mess, vandalizing property shouldn't be a crime.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
KS. I didn't mean to imply you justified their actions. But your argument that people who are allowed to get away with doing something wrong will do it. Only unethical people will do this. Most of us were taught when we were little about right and wrong. I know I don't need the law to remind me that I shouldn't steal or kill someone. There is no way in hell I would even attempt to spray paint the nation's capitol. I doubt you would too.

These people did this because the knew the police were helpless. I thought that anti-war protestors were still pro-American.

As for cleaning the mess up, that's like saying because you can clean up someone's mess, vandalizing property shouldn't be a crime.


What you said was "K,S. how can you attempt to justify their actions"

Like you, I KNOW what I am supposed to do and not supposed to do... Heck, if I had of attended an Anti=War Protest, I wouldn't have even THOUGHT of paint.

But obviously the Capitol Police knew there were some who would, and were ready to allow it. Which is further proof that people ARE going to do what ever they can get away with... The people I was referring to was the one's who did this, NOT society in general... should have made that clear in the first place so we wouldn't have gotten this misconception going.
I think that we are on the same page.

My only complaint about this ordeal is the fact that the police chief should have had the intestinal fortitude to arrest these idiots who used the spray paint. If I decided to go to the Capitol tomorrow and start spray painting it I would be thrown in jail without any delay and probably beaten senseless. I think the protesters called his bluff and knew he would do anything to prevent a riot. What is this country coming to?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/national/19PROT.html?...a0fcc178495e&ei=5070
Here is the New York Times Version... you may have to register to read it, but it is free, and well worth it. I didn't see anything about paint on this article.

It tells a little bit of a different story than the one above, interesting read... Smiler

And Yes, Fighting Illini... we are on the same page, just a little misunderstanding... just as this subject is a misunderstand on SOMEONE's part, since there are so many different things said about it...

There are about 10 Google pages on it, the only one I read about the paint was here on the Times Daily Forum URL in the first comment on the post.
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I find it strange that the only so called source of this report is a website owned by Capital Hill Publishing Corp located in Washington, DC on no other than K Street. I goggled the topic and this was the only site to hit. Now, if you look at the bottom of this page, it states that the Capital Hill Publishing Corp. is a subsidiary of News Communications Inc. and when you Google that name you find that their main page is www.amgen.com which is a multinational Pharmaceutical company.

I might be wrong, but if this event did occur it sure wasn’t reported by the main stream news media including Fox News. It's one of those news stories to consider this source and overlook it.
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I find it strange that the only so called source of this report is a website owned by Capital Hill Publishing Corp located in Washington, DC on no other than K Street. I goggled the topic and this was the only site to hit. Now, if you look at the bottom of this page, it states that the Capital Hill Publishing Corp. is a subsidiary of News Communications Inc. and when you Google that name you find that their main page is www.amgen.com which is a multinational Pharmaceutical company.

I might be wrong, but if this event did occur it sure wasn’t reported by the main stream news media including Fox News. It's one of those news stories to consider this source and overlook it.


The link I put up above your comment said a lot about it, but NOTHING like what the original link to the topic said... but PitBo$$m I think you are right!!!
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brentenman...doesn't your favorite newspaper have a photographer? I know the question is unfair, but where is a photo of the steps and the graffiti? The New York Times does not seem to have a report of the graffiti either. But, I could be wrong. Maybe the demonstrators were confiscating cameras. They surely did not want any publicity.
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brentenman...doesn't your favorite newspaper have a photographer? I know the question is unfair, but where is a photo of the steps and the graffiti? The New York Times does not seem to have a report of the graffiti either. But, I could be wrong. Maybe the demonstrators were confiscating cameras. They surely did not want any publicity.


I found the link on Drudge Report....and posted it here. Don't shoot the messanger....

Why they didn't post pics, I don't know. I do know that they discussed it on the radio and MSM on TV.....

On the O'Reilly Factor last night, Bill sent his producer in to interview some famous people at the rally. He came up to one dude and he took off ASAP he saw the cameras....

I wasn't there at the rally, so I can't tell you for fact or fiction whether or not they were confiscating cameras. Now, back last April 2006 at the same location, the illegal alien invaders had their march. I took pics, and posted them for all to see on this forum. I didn't notice any camera taking or whatever. However, what was spoken (in English at least) was poisonous to say the least.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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brentenman...doesn't your favorite newspaper have a photographer? I know the question is unfair, but where is a photo of the steps and the graffiti? The New York Times does not seem to have a report of the graffiti either. But, I could be wrong. Maybe the demonstrators were confiscating cameras. They surely did not want any publicity.


I found the link on Drudge Report....and posted it here. Don't shoot the messanger....

Why they didn't post pics, I don't know. I do know that they discussed it on the radio and MSM on TV.....

On the O'Reilly Factor last night, Bill sent his producer in to interview some famous people at the rally. He came up to one dude and he took off ASAP he saw the cameras....

I wasn't there at the rally, so I can't tell you for fact or fiction whether or not they were confiscating cameras. Now, back last April 2006 at the same location, the illegal alien invaders had their march. I took pics, and posted them for all to see on this forum. I didn't notice any camera taking or whatever. However, what was spoken (in English at least) was poisonous to say the least.

I also read the report, replete with photograps of the protest in the New York Times. NO GRAFITTI there either. I have been bouncing around to other Papers, the Washington post seemed to be the source for NYT. The Story was not online in the Washington Times. at least I did not find it in a quick search.
What I am saying is IT'S EASY TO PHOTOSHOP GRAFITTI INTO A PICTURE, AND THEY DID NOT EVEN BOTHER TO DO THAT.

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