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Hi to my Forum Friends,

It seems that our atheist Friend, Uno, has found a cartoon, which he proudly displays in his new discussion titled "Dichotomy" -- one he feels explains his atheist lifestyle.  So, I suppose it is time to reintroduce my story from yesteryear about the religion of atheism, the Religion of Nothing.  Uno will recall this from his past life experiences in Forumland.  If you get the feeling that Uno is one of the original cast members -- I will not argue with you.

 

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NOTHING COMES TO FORUMLAND!


Once upon a time, long ago, in a land far away named Oblivion, there lived two atheist friends.  These friends were named Argue and Debate.  Now, one thing that both Argue and Debate agreed upon was that they believed strongly in Nothing.  This was their faith, their religion, the religion of Nothing.  They worshipped Nothing; they adored Nothing; their lives were dedicated to Nothing.

One day, as they were wandering around in search of Nothing, they happened to stumble upon a new valley, the valley of Forumland.  Oh, they were so excited.  "Maybe," chimed Argue, "we can find others here who know Nothing!"

"Yes," declared Debate.  "If not, we can surely introduce them to Nothing!"

They were so excited.  Possibly there were many people in Forumland who either knew Nothing -- or could be lured into knowing Nothing.

"Just imagine the possibilities, if we can convince many others to also believe in Nothing," Debate told Argue.  "Then, maybe we can build a cathedral dedicated to Nothing.  That will be a glorious tribute to our god, Nothing."

So, in the valley of Forumland, Argue and Debate set about to plant their seeds and to lay plans for building their cathedral to Nothing.  First, they had to develop a relationship with the people of Forumland.  "Come," said Debate, "we will get into a conversation with them; assure them that we are Friends; and then we can talk about Nothing."

Walking along in Forumland, the two friends happened upon a small group of Forumland residents.  Right away, Argue and Debate began to talk with these good folks.  Discovering that many of these folks believed in someone called God; the two friends were somewhat taken aback.  But, that did not deter them.  They were determined that these folks were going to become followers of Nothing.

Argue began, in his sly way, to lead the group of Forumland residents into a discussion.  He asked, "Do you really believe in this God?  Why do you believe that He really exists?"

One local fellow, Bill, replied, "Truthfully, until twenty-four years ago, I was very much like the two of you.  I wandered in the world, loving the ways of the world, and following Nothing.  But, then a Friend told me about God -- and this Friend was so full of love, warmth, and peace, I realized he must have something that I was lacking.  I had Nothing; but, he had his God.  I was wandering; but, he was grounded in love and peace."

"So, when he told me about his God, I began to investigate this new Person.  I went to church, I went to Sunday School, I went to Bible studies -- and one thing I noticed was that these folks in church, Sunday School, and Bible study also had this love and peace I was lacking.  Because of this, I kept going to church, Sunday School, and Bible study.  I kept learning more and more about this God.  And, the more I learned, the more I realized that the god, Nothing, that I had been following was just that -- he was Nothing."

"After six months of this, I felt this love and peace coming into my heart.  I was surprised; but, I said, 'Yes, God, please come into my heart and bring all of Your love and peace.  I want to follow You and Your Son, Jesus Christ.'"

"Since then, I have had God's love and peace in my life.  Really, Argue and Debate, you should try it.  You should go to a Bible-teaching church and Bible study and see if you can rid yourself of Nothing and find God."

Of course, Argue began to argue, "You say that this love and peace JUST came into your heart?"

"No," replied Bill, "As I learned more about God, I began to realize that He had what was missing in my life.  Then, I began to seek Him; I wanted to know more about Him.  It took me about six months to realize that I wanted Him to be my Lord and Savior.   That is when I prayed and asked Him to come into my heart; that is when I was saved -- and love and peace came into my heart --  for He forgave me all my sins."

So, debated Debate, "If it is that easy, I guess that even Hitler might have been saved?"

"Actually," Bill told him, "Yes, even Hitler could have been saved if he had sincerely turned to the Lord in repentance and asked Jesus to come into his heart.  That said, I truly doubt that he did -- for he scoffed at everything of God."

"You see," Bill continues, "the only sin which cannot be forgiven is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ.  For, by rejecting Him you condemn yourself.  By rejecting Him, you, by default, choose to follow Satan -- and this action, this choice which you made, condemns you to an eternity with Satan."

Then, Bill told them, "Even Judas Iscariot could have been saved if he had truly repented.  Yet, the Bible tells us that Judas was indwelt by Satan at the Last Supper and never repented.  We read about this in John 13:26-27 and Mark 14:21.  Oh, Judas was sorry about his action of taking thirty pieces of silver as his price to betray Jesus.  And, Judas ended much like Hitler, by taking his own life.  We read about this in Matthew 27:3-10.  But, both Judas and Hitler could have been saved -- IF they had turned from their evil ways, asked forgiveness, and sincerely asked Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior"

By now, Debate is incensed, "I suppose you even believe in the myth of Creationism?"

"Honestly," Bill smiled.  "Yes, I do.  If you are really interested, I can explain.  You see, nature, the human body, the universe, the relationship between the earth, the sun, the planets, moon, and stars -- all of these things declare the glory of God and His Creation.  Later, if you are interested, I can give you much more detailed prove that Creation is indeed true and factual."

This really gets under Debate's skin.  He responds, "Evolution is the only thing that is factual and true.  I can give you many web sites which prove evolution!"

Bill responds to Debate's challenge, "No, Debate, rather than showing me what other evolutionists who are devoted to Nothing write; why don't you tell me, in detail, why YOU believe in evolution."

Debate sputters and fumes, "No, you are really stupid.  I tell you that evolution is factual; but you will not listen!"

"No, Debate," said Bill, "You tell me to look at web sites written by others; but, you have not given me any knowledge or facts which comes from you.  Tell me exactly what you know about evolution and why it is factual.  Remember, even Charles Darwin said that if scientist cannot show a transitional 'missing link' fossil record -- then, evolution is gasping its last breath.  What can you personally tell me, from your own knowledge, that will show me, absolutely, that evolution is alive and well?"

Angrily, Debate declares, "Bill, you are really stupid.  Look at this web site, www.blah-blah-blah.com -- and there are others.  Go to this web site:  www.hotair.com.   Are you so thick headed and moronic that you cannot read what these honest, sincere evolutionists, followers of Nothing, have written?"

"No," Bill once again replied.  "I want to know what you, Debate, and you, Argue, know -- not what a bunch of other Nothing followers tell you.  What do you know?  Can you, from your own knowledge, tell me why evolution is factual?  Don't just huff and puff, calling me names.  Show me the meat!  Show me the 'missing link' fossils.  Lay it on me!"

Now, both Debate and Argue are boiling, "Bill, you are too stupid for us to waste our time.  We don't want to talk with you anymore.   Just go away and leave us to tell these good people about Nothing."

Smiling, Bill tells them, "I am sorry, my atheist Friends, but I cannot leave Forumland and allow you to build your cathedral to Nothing.  I must make sure that these good folks, my friends and family, at least have the Word of God to balance against your words of Nothing."

And, so, the saga of "God versus Nothing" continues in Forumland; each with its own champions; each continuing to share his truth or His Truth -- until one day, which could be very soon, when Jesus comes and Raptures His followers away -- leaving Forumland totally in the hands of Nothing.


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Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of "Nothing Comes To Forumland."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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quote:   Originally Posted by b50m:

Summary:   Gofish and Deepfat debate Bill.  Hitler and Judas gets a pass to heaven.  Evolution is a lie.


Hi B,

 

YES -- NO -- YES! 

 

YES, Fish and Deep were the catalyst which brought me to the Forums in January 2007 -- since they were dominating what has become the Religion Forum -- and I jumped in to refute their false and misleading teachings.

 

NO, Hitler and Judas did not get a pass to heaven.  They could have, like anyone else -- if they had truly repented and believed.  Yet, like Pharaoh of Egypt, and many of our atheist/secularist Friends -- their hearts were so hardened that they condemned themselves to eternal hell.  All who commit the only unforgivable sin, that of leaving this mortal life while still denying Jesus Christ -- can chat with the two of them for eternity in hell.  But, it most likely will not be a very nice conversation.

 

YES,  Darwinian Evolution is a lie.  Creation is real.  Micro-Evolution, i.e., adaptation, is real.  Darwinian Evolution is a bigger lie than atheism.

 

However, B, thank you for giving a summary for our Attention Disordered Friends. 

 

By the way, let me share with you a message I received from a Friends Ministry Friend in the Shoals area today:  "Thank you for all the wonderful e-mails you send.  I have saved them all for reference for my Bible Study Group of young Mothers.  Great Material Bill!!!"

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:    Originally Posted by b50m:

You're welcome Bill, but that part about Hitler going to Heaven really gripes me.   How about the ultimate sinner, Satan?  Could he get a pass, Bill?


Hi B,

 

You raise an interesting point -- how could Hitler have a chance at heaven when Satan does not? 

 

We know from the Bible that sin keeps us from heaven -- and it does not grade the size of the sin.  Sin is sin, period.   When we become Christian believers, our sins are forgiven -- we become "forgiven sinners."   Yes, we will continue to sin and continue to need to seek forgiveness for our sins.  But, those sins will not keep us out of heaven (1 Corinthians 3:15).  

 

So, since sin is judged on one level -- regardless of our sin -- we can be forgiven, i.e., Hitler and Judas could have been forgiven.  The Bible tells us that Judas was not -- and, I seriously doubt that Hitler was.  So, the discussion is academic.

 

However, there was never a time when Satan/Lucifer could be forgiven.  Jesus Christ died for the sins of humans -- not angels.   Why?  Angels were residing in the presence of God.  Given that wonderful blessing and then turning against God -- is unforgivable. 

 

On the other hand, humans, except for Adam and Eve, have never walked in the presence of God -- yet, we have inherited the Adamic sin nature.  Therefore, God has given we mortal humans an escape clause -- named Jesus Christ.  If we, by the undeserved grace of God, through true faith in Jesus Christ -- believe and receive His "free gift" of eternal life -- we have His personal promise that we will never lose this gift of eternal life.

 

So, to summarize -- Hitler and Judas -- yes, they could have been saved for they were mortal humans.  Satan and his angels -- no, they could never be saved.  They set their eternity in concrete when they turned from the presence of God.  And, all who continue to deny God until that last breath -- will join Satan and his friends in eternal hell.

 

B, thank you for asking this question. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

That makes sense except that God did create Satan and the angels just as he created mankind.

 

Satan's sin, as I recall, was thinking he was better than God. So because Satan was a narcissist, he and his followers were cast out. Simplified version, I know, but we can discuss without constant quoting of scriptures.

 

Satan and the angels had free will the same as man, so doesn't it seem fair that if we can pray for man, we can pray for Satan?

         

 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by b50m:

I wonder why the beings that he made to directly serve him are treated worse than the beings he created to worship him?

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Both beings are to worship, but angels were also created to help us.

 

And also the fallen angels are to hurt us. I fail to understand why people can say there are no ghosts, yet believe in angels or demons. How are you to know which is which? Just a wild thought.

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by b50m:

I wonder why the beings that he made to directly serve him are treated worse than the beings he created to worship him?

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Both beings are to worship, but angels were also created to help us.

 

And also the fallen angels are to hurt us. I fail to understand why people can say there are no ghosts, yet believe in angels or demons. How are you to know which is which? Just a wild thought.

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Hitler ain't going anywhere but hell.

Hi Deep,

 

Yes, my Friend, I know -- the truth does often hurt.  But, since you and Fish were the early ambassadors of the Religion of Nothing in Forumland; we just have to suck it up and face facts.

 

And, like all truth, there will often be times when we have to resurrect it to share with new Friends -- for, we cannot allow the truth to die.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Deep,

 

Yes, my Friend, I know -- the truth does often hurt.  But, since you and Fish were the early ambassadors of the Religion of Nothing in Forumland; we just have to suck it up and face facts.

 

And, like all truth, there will often be times when we have to resurrect it to share with new Friends -- for, we cannot allow the truth to die.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Only lies need constant resuscitation to stay alive.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill is one of those who believe if you say it enough, it will become true.  It's sad, and it's delusional.


Hi Crusty,

 

As the Bible tells us, to the lost, the Bible is foolishness.  But, to the believer, it is the way of salvation.

 

You really should try it -- BEFORE six strong men have to carry you into church for the first time in a very long time.  It is worth a try!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill is one of those who believe if you say it enough, it will become true.  It's sad, and it's delusional.


Hi Crusty,

 

As the Bible tells us, to the lost, the Bible is foolishness.  But, to the believer, it is the way of salvation.

 

You really should try it -- BEFORE six strong men have to carry you into church for the first time in a very long time.  It is worth a try!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill, just because you incessently indulge your narcissistic ego with reposting drivel ad nauseum, doesn't mean my faith is in trouble.  You need to look to your crooked house before you worry about mine.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
He sure does have a thing for those strong men, doesn't he?

And, that from a person who is proud to display his Noo Yawk "Village People" shirt and pose.  Enough said.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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Heh.

I fail to see the resemblance.




News flash,  Sparky...

Nowadays g ay guys look a lot like you prolly do.

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Which of the Village People is this guy?

 

I had to stop, there were just too many.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Jennifer,

 

Wow, using YOUR logic, if ONE atheist is homosexual -- then ALL ATHEISTS are homosexual.   That is interesting.   How about you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


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Really bill? That's what you think I meant? You don't think maybe I meant that all homosexuals don't look like the Village People? You don't think maybe I meant that some of them can look like and even BE christians? Even pastors?  Are you asking if I'm g a y bill? You've been insinuating that RP is g a y, so now you're going after me? No bill, I'm not g a y. I guess it's hard for a christian like yourself to understand that people can have tolerance for g a y people without being *** themselves. You know bill, I just wonder, after that "glory hole" incident is there anything you'd like to tell RP and me? Come on, inquiring minds would like to know.

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Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 

Don't you just love it when all the kiddies come out to play?   Warms the heart!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Enjoy it while ya can, BeeG. Your time is a lot shorter than ours.

 

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One of your neighbors reported killing a ****eatin dog near your corner. You just never know when your time might be up.

Originally Posted by Rramnlimnn_TheGreat:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 

Don't you just love it when all the kiddies come out to play?   Warms the heart!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Enjoy it while ya can, BeeG. Your time is a lot shorter than ours.

 

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One of your neighbors reported killing a ****eatin dog near your corner. You just never know when your time might be up.


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Yeah well I'm pretty sure I can delay that time a good bit.  Neighbor prolly hit it while texting in the car.  If the big gouges in my ditch are any indication-it's a wonder any of these einsteins make it home alive.

 

 

I never seen so many people that can't keep it on the road....

Hi all,

 

Now, our poor atheist Friends, including the new Bo Doe, are so limited in their thinking -- that all they can do is to repeat the simple minded "one-liners" another atheist has written.  My Christian Friends, please be kind to these simple folks -- their condition is not their fault.

 

By the way, Bo Doe, your avatar photo looks an awful lot like Jennifer's.   Hmmm, could it be?   "Only the Shadow knows!"  (that last part is for we more mature folks - you young-uns will have no clue).

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill you may be too stupid to "talk" to. First of all that avatar is used by many people, vplee used it, and it hasn't been mine for a while. Secondly, while the name says "Everybody Knows My Name" it's the first time I have seen it. Thirdly, I don't see any post the name made, just a smiley face. I can do that under this name with no problem. Simple minded one liners? Such as? All you can do is make new threads on topics others have started to keep from having to come up with your own thoughts, or to try to divert attention from the fact you can never answer a question. I think you're the simple one here and the one that is to be pitied. And a little heads up for you, when you post under your other "atta boy" names try to at least tell stories that won't get you trapped in lies. As RP says "Have any kind of day you want to have".

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