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Brother Bill,

In my world, everyone who disagrees with me is not necessarily gay. That is for Brother HadEnough.

I don't care about gay. I don't have a dog in that fight. Seems HadEnough does, and his gaydar is working overtime and needs calibration. He injects homosexuality into the most innocuous conversations.

I hope he finds a nice boy and settles down into a normal, satisfying homosexual relationship, I really do.

I doubt he will, as he attributes homosexuality to only those with whom he disagrees. Sounds like a rough home life to me, but what do I know?

TR
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Brother Bill,

In my world, everyone who disagrees with me is not necessarily gay. That is for Brother HadEnough.

I don't care about gay. I don't have a dog in that fight. Seems HadEnough does, and his gaydar is working overtime and needs calibration. He injects homosexuality into the most innocuous conversations.

I hope he finds a nice boy and settles down into a normal, satisfying homosexual relationship, I really do.

I doubt he will, as he attributes homosexuality to only those with whom he disagrees. Sounds like a rough home life to me, but what do I know?

TR


I'm not gay, are you? Big Grin
I know that I was raised in a better home than you and taught right from wrong. Wink
Did you move to San Francisco California in nice "cozy" home with a guy? lmao
You sure look, act and sound the part bud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_mol6B9z00

Yea I have seen you on youtube with your old McDonald song. Cool Razzer
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You may say that you are not Liberal -- yet, the church which you keep telling us about is most certainly Liberal.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church is Conservative in social issues. However, in matters of theology -- it is most certainly Liberal.

And, you are right. Only you and God knows your spiritual position; yet, like the fig tree, "fruit" without thorns is a very good indicator.


You are really off your rocker. Show me someone without "thorns". Have you none?
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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You may say that you are not Liberal -- yet, the church which you keep telling us about is most certainly Liberal.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church is Conservative in social issues. However, in matters of theology -- it is most certainly Liberal.

And, you are right. Only you and God knows your spiritual position; yet, like the fig tree, "fruit" without thorns is a very good indicator.

You are really off your rocker. Show me someone without "thorns". Have you none?

Hi VP,

Go, find your Bible, and study the parable of the Fig Tree. Then, come back and let's talk about it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
through the gift of writing He has given me, I can evanglieze and teach. And, I can lead Bible studies. So, I use the gifts He has given me,


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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Billy, I'm curious who told you that you have a gift of writing? All I see you doing with your writings is making fun of people, putting them down, & telling stories of your past. Ain't seen no love.


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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Chick,
When a guy who cannot put together two coherent sentences -- suddenly can write essays in a college writing class which get A and A+ grades -- that, in itself, is a miracle.
the only logical explanation is that it is a gift from God.

Now, the fact that you feel no love -- could be because you are hiding from God and anyone who reminds you that God loves you -- in your mind is showing you hate.
Bill


Maybe you just decided to start applying yourself to learn instead of goofing off.

You've mis-quoted me again!! Roll Eyes
I didn't say that I didn't feel no love. What I said was "Ain't seen no love", as in the way you talk down to people.

If I were hiding from God (if He exist) & anyone who says God loves me, why would I be in the religion section. This would be the last place I would be. I don't think anyone is showing me hate. Those are your words, not mine.

You believe I'm hiding from God? Big Grin
I'm hiding from no one. I speak my mind & tell it as I see it. That's fine if you don't agree but you don't know me at all, so please dont pretend that you do.

For someone that thinks they have a gift of writing, you don't read very well or you would have known what I said.
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Curious. For the second time this week, HadEnough has interjected the issue of homosexuality into a thread that had nothing to do with same.

It seems HadEnough is obsessed with homosexuality. He can't stop talking about it.

Bores the he11 out of me, frankly. HadEnough, why don't you go find a nice gay chat room out there somewhere where you can explore your obsession properly? And don't bother reporting when you do, we really don't care. It's your obsession, after all.


The best you got. Roll Eyes
By the way, we really dont care what you think either deep Razzer
Your obsessed with atheist so why dont you find you a nice chat room and stay there with them?
You bore the hell out of me. Wink
How any times have you been banned now? Dont you get? Your not wanted here. Razzer


exactly how many times have YOU been banned?? i think many more times than deep.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
The ones on here that dont like Bill are athiest, or gay.

This could not be further from the truth. The ones one here who "don't like", or challenge Bill are also people who are not fundamentalists, and don't subscribe to his sola scriptura theories. There are several good Christians who challenge Bill on this forum.
That was a crude and inaccurate statement.

Hi VP,

So you are upset with HadEnough because he/she left off "AND LIBERALS!"

There, I have added it. We must never forget our Liberal Theology Friends who insist the Bible is not the inspired, inerrant, literal Word of God -- but, only a good guidebook, a book of myths and allegories.

When I think of the difference between the Conservative view of the Bible, i.e., building your home on the Rock -- and the Liberal view of the Bible, i.e., building your home on the sand; I am reminded of the parable Jesus told in the Bible.

VP, you need to shake the "sand of Tradition" out of your shoes and start standing on the Rock. And, just for clarification, Peter is the little stone -- not the ROCK!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


bill, you talk about liberal religions, but you dont seem to understand that if you moved back to the shoals area, YOU would be considered a LIBERAL.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
Bill, you talk about Liberal Religions, but you don't seem to understand that if you moved back to the Shoals area, YOU would be considered a LIBERAL.

Hi TCF,

Liberal can define Politics, Social Programs, and Christian beliefs.

For a definition of Liberal Politics -- I need only point you to Obama, Hillary, and their team. They are the perfect example of Far Left Liberal Politics. And, in my mind, they are bad for America.

Liberal Social Programs can be good. In 1933, FDR began Liberal Social Programs which helped pull America out of the Great Depression. But, Social Programs, like trade unions, are useful to correct a problem -- and then should be phased out. But, like trade unions, social programs just continue to grow -- until we have a welfare state. Liberal Social Programs are like a cancer -- they just get bigger and bigger, i.e, big government.

And, then, we have Liberal Theology which wants to redefine the Written Word of God -- to allegorize the Bible and to make it adapt to society's desires and lifestyles. A good example: in 1970, I was attending the Garden Grove Community Church, which grew into the Crystal Cathedral. In this church we had a Singles Group and each Sunday we would meet before the worship service.

One Sunday we had one of the pastors come to talk with us. When we questioned him on issues pertinent to single adults and how the Bible viewed these issues -- he told us, "Well, you have to remember, the Bible was written 2000 years ago -- and our society has changed since then. The Bible has to adapt to our current society." WRONG!

My Friend, this was a pastor in a large church telling us that the Bible should adapt to society's norms. No, in no way. Society adapts to God's norms. The Bible is like God -- it is timeless. God's moral values do not change with or adapt to society. That was the reason God told the Israelites to drive out or kill all the pagans when He brought them into the promised land; so, that the Israelites would not be tempted to adapt to the pagan society's morals and gods.

Yet, over and over again, the Israelites did not drive all the pagans out -- and, every single time -- the Israelites paid the price for adapting to the pagan societies and their gods.

Solomon, given the greatest of wisdom, riches, and power by God -- yet, told by God to have only one wife. What did Solomon do? For political expediency, he began to marry daughters from all the pagan lands -- until he ended up with 1000 wives and concubines from many nations. And, as wives will do -- especially those from royal families who are used to getting their way -- they soon had Solomon building pagan temples for their many gods. And, Solomon lost the blessing of God.

God has given us His Written Word, the Bible. In the Old Testament, He gave the Israelites the Ten Commandments and the Law. The Ten Commandments set the standards -- and the Law spelled out the details. The Law could not save anyone. It was only intended to make the people aware of their sins and give them a means of temporal atonement. The prophets and the Law pointed the Israelites toward their Messiah, Jesus Christ. This was the dispensation of the Law.

Jesus Christ came and brought us the New Testament, a New Covenant -- the dispensation of Grace. For by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- we can gain salvation. He came to be the "once for all" sacrifice for our sins and to offer us the "free gift" of salvation.

Jesus Christ knew the Scripture to be the inspired, inerrant, literal Word of God -- and He often quoted Scripture in His teachings. If He did not believe Scripture to be the literal Word of God -- why would He have quoted it?

So, when Liberal Theology attempts to adapt the Bible to today's society -- they are denigrating the Written Word of God and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

TCF, my Friend, these are the different Liberal aspects of our society today. When you say that, if I were to return to the Shoals area to live -- I would be considered Liberal; how do you mean this?

I certainly am not Liberal in politics. I believe in limited Liberal Social Programs as long as they do not lead to bigger and bigger government. And, I most certainly do not believe in nor follow Liberal Theology.

It seems that I must ask you to explain what you meant in your statement that I would be considered a LIBERAL in the Shoals.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by HadEnough:
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
Instead they dont believe so that they can keep on sinning. They rather commit an offense or violation. Scabs on the Earth Wink
And a pita Big Grin


...And you're just such a shining example of Christian righteousness. Big Grin

Oh, and speaking of acting like you have a brain.... Spelling and syntax would go a long way toward making that particular point. Normally I could care less if you typo'd, but seeing as how you're calling us non- believers stupid and all...

Mr. Pot, Meet Mr. Kettle. Smiler

Way to show the forum you're a right and proper Christian *Thumbs up!*

And you wonder why I have a problem believing???


Oh, I misspelled your name Big Grin Here you go atheist. Razzer
Your still a pita Wink



To further Billy Joe Bob Gene's point, if I'm a PITA- You're doing it wrong. Smiler
i was speaking theological wise that a lot of things you have said would be considered very liberal in this area.
you have said many times that there is nothing wrong with having a glass of wine from time to time. that is a no-no to the conservative churchs here. if you admitted this in most of the area churchs you would not be allowed to join.
you have said that you believe children should be vaccinated, several churchs in the area teach against this because it is not biblical, god heals, medicine is a worldly thing.(the main stream churchs difer from this, but according to you they are liberal)
you are in an inter-racial marriage, that in itself would deny you membership in 90% of the local churchs. (eventhough the cathilics would welcome you with open arms, oh wait catholics are liberal)
do you ALLOW your wife to watch tv, listen to radio or be on the internet when you arent around? if so, you are a liberal because you arent there to protect her from tv shows, music or websites that may corrupt her.
that is just a few of the things that would make the very conservative churchs declare you a liberal, i am sure there are more.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
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Originally posted by HadEnough:
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Curious. For the second time this week, HadEnough has interjected the issue of homosexuality into a thread that had nothing to do with same.

It seems HadEnough is obsessed with homosexuality. He can't stop talking about it.

Bores the he11 out of me, frankly. HadEnough, why don't you go find a nice gay chat room out there somewhere where you can explore your obsession properly? And don't bother reporting when you do, we really don't care. It's your obsession, after all.


The best you got. Roll Eyes
By the way, we really dont care what you think either deep Razzer
Your obsessed with atheist so why dont you find you a nice chat room and stay there with them?
You bore the hell out of me. Wink
How any times have you been banned now? Dont you get? Your not wanted here. Razzer


exactly how many times have YOU been banned?? i think many more times than deep.


How many times have you been banned? Roll Eyes
You dont even know me, You know deep has been banned many times, so how many for you? 8, 10, 25? Eeker
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

When a guy who cannot put together two coherent sentences -- suddenly can write essays in a college writing class which get A and A+ grades -- that, in itself, is a miracle.


it's also what happenes every day when a kid decides to pay attention in class. a miracle of modern education.
Also, i'm not sure i'd call what you do is a gift. unless maybe it's the same sort that would call getting head lice a gift.

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Now, the fact that you feel no love -- could be because you are hiding from God and anyone who reminds you that God loves you -- in your mind is showing you hate.


it could also be that you don't understand the concept of love, or how to show it.
here's a hint:

" My friend, i fear for your soul if you don't repent these evil ways and accept the word of God"

Isn't a showing of love. it's a threat.

" hey.. you look worried about something. is there anything you'd like to talk about? i'm a prety good listener, and i don't judge people. if you ever feel the need to talk, about anything, you call me, day or night."

that's a little closer.

" HEY!!! YOU!!! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT MY LORD AND SAVIOR JEEEZUUUUS!!! HERE!! TAKE THESE TRACTS!!! PRAY WITH ME!!"

Zealot stalker version, and one i'm very familliar with. these people tend to get the answer " sorry. my soul is already commited, but if you like i can introduce you to the divine rights of Our Lord Uhla Tep. Just take off your clothes and follow me. Don't touch the Lok'Nar."

It tends to end the conversation pretty quick.

another good one to get rid of those 7am jehovah's witnesses - if they make a habit of your house, hang out wearing nothing but a robe in the morning. then when you answer the door drop the robe. tell them " oh.. oh my. i'm so sorry. i was waiting on the mailman."
this is even more effective if you're a guy.

sorry Bill. i've seen no evidence of Love given by you. i've seen insults, threats of punishment and long winded belittling.

sorry.. not threats. not punishment. a promise of total lack or rewards if they don't do what you tell them to do.

(I.E. Threats of punishment. if you don't do this, this will happen. that's a threat. either you get into heaven through the grace of god, or you burn in hell if you don't find that grace. that's punishemnt.)
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:


VP, you need to shake the "sand of Tradition" out of your shoes and start standing on the Rock. And, just for clarification, Peter is the little stone -- not the ROCK!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Uhm.
Matthew 16:15-20 (King James Version)

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.


Hmm.. that last line also seems to contradict the line where you tell us he said for all of us spread his name.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,
Any mule, or board member, can copy/paste Scripture. But, can you explain what that passage means? Please, share your wisdom about this passage. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

Billy, the Jack*ss in your cartoon looks to be cursing. Is that the impression you wanted us to have?

Hi Chick,

No, he is speaking the Dawkinese Atheist language of insult and denigration. Although, I will agree with you that Dawkinese often does sound vulgar.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Uhm.
Matthew 16:15-20 (King James Version)

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.



This means that the Church, ie the BODY OF CHRIST is being entrusted to PETER. And thus begins the Apostolic Succession.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
Exactly. Fridays during Lent are days of abstinence. Which means no meat.
Hey, fasting and abstinence are good ways to be repenitent and obedient. Try it some time. Offer it up! See what blessings you find.

Help me, VP,

Show me the "Fish on Fridays" verse in the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nagel,

Any mule, or board member, can copy/paste Scripture. But, can you explain what that passage means?

Please, share your wisdom about this passage.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Yes, i can explain it. it means what it says.

why don't YOU, instead, try and enlighten us about how Christ didn't really mean what he said, he meant something that only you can see.
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Originally posted by thenagel:


" HEY!!! YOU!!! HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT MY LORD AND SAVIOR JEEEZUUUUS!!! HERE!! TAKE THESE TRACTS!!! PRAY WITH ME!!"




WITNESS???!!?? I didn't even see the ACCIDENT!!!
Big Grin


LOL.. that one took me a second. i'd been replying to bill and forgot to turn my brain back on.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
Exactly. Fridays during Lent are days of abstinence. Which means no meat.
Hey, fasting and abstinence are good ways to be repenitent and obedient. Smiler
Try it some time. Offer it up! See what blessings you find.


uhm.. Veep? i .. uhm.. gotta admit. i never understood the fish thing either.

i get the idea of lent and fasting (not so much on the abstinence thing, but you prolly mean something different) but i never did get why cows were fordidden on friday.
but i'm willing to learn Smiler
Back in the "day", meat was considered a luxury- it took a lot of money to have "meat" and raise cattle. Anyone could catch fish. So on days when we are called to be more spiritually aware, we fast and abstain, in order to be mindful of Christ's sacrifices. Physical hunger can trigger prayer, that's another benefit.
Fasting- only on Good Friday and Ash Wednesday
Abstinence- Friday's during Lent-
And no, not "that" kind of abstinence, lol. Abstaining from the "luxury" of meat is a tiny sacrifice, but that is what it stems from. People used to be much more rigid in fasting and abstinence, but, like everything, the rules are eased up, and now Red Lobster and Landry's are packed on Fridays- lol....not much of a sacrifice.
Anyway, Fasting is referenced at least twice in the bible

"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
—Matthew 6:16-18, NIV

In another place, Jesus said that while He was present in the flesh, His disciples did not observe the fasts (meaning probably the Monday and Thursday fasts), but that we would resume fasting after He ascended.

Then John's disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”
Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.”
—Matthew 9:14-15, NIV

So fish on fridays, is based on this- mourning for Jesus, being mindful of his sacrifice.
Also during Lent, we "give up" something= a sacrifice, something to offer up, in attempt to be penitent and humble, and sacrifice.
Hope that answers your question- If anyone else that practices these has anything to add/correct please feel free- I don't claim to have all the answers...Smiler
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Originally posted by vplee123:
Back in the "day", meat was considered a luxury- it took a lot of money to have "meat" and raise cattle. Anyone could catch

Hope that answers your question- If anyone else that practices these has anything to add/correct please feel free- I don't claim to have all the answers...Smiler


Yupp.. that covered it , thankies Smiler
and it acctually makes sense Smiler
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Originally posted by tcf531:
so bill, are you not going to reply as to why you would be considered a liberal?

Hi TCF,

Sorry, my Friend, but you will have to refresh my memory on this one. I cannot imagine anyone considering me a liberal.

I am Conserative in my faith.

I am Conservative in my politics.

And, I am Conservative in the social arena.

So, please help me on this one.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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