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B beternUOld Faithful
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.
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B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by RickyC31:
thought u were a moron on ur first reply to something I said, now this just proves it. OMG

quote:
Originally posted by RickyC31:
thought u were a moron on ur first reply to something I said, now this just proves it. OMG


You are confused. It is morons who say "nu'-kya-ler" repeatedly in the face of all the notoriety and criticism that GWB received for doggedly mispronuncing it for 8 years! Syllogistically---

Major premise: Morons are slow learners.

Minor premise: Sara Palin is a slow learner.

Conclusion: Sarah Palin is a moron.
T tigrtrekHall of Famer
I thought Bush's was more like New-Q-ler? It was painful whenever I heard that. However since Sarah Palin will be delivering a lot of speeches for a helluva lot more $$$ than you or I will see maybe she will work on it. However, since she will NOT repeat NOT be the Republican nominee for President don't worry about her perceived speech defects emanating from the White House. You do seem obsessed with her.
K kperk014Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


Bush does pronounce it as New-Q-ler but he is far from alone there. I hear people on both sides call it that from ballplayers to politicians. Maybe even the kenyan klown.
elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
I've known a couple of physicists and army techs who pronounced it the same as Bush. As the physicists were nuclear physicists and the Army techs were responsible for tactical nuclear warhead, I suspect they were neither slow, nor morons.

I suspect its either the palate or the ear -- the way they hear it.

There are viet namese pronunciations I could never get right.
reservationreservationHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


Her pronunciation is as significant as your typo. If you are gonna harp on someone's accent, you should at least be flawless while doing it. sheesh!
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


Her pronunciation is as significant as your typo. If you are gonna harp on someone's accent, you should at least be flawless while doing it. sheesh!



Nope. I will take note of my errors and correct them. By contrast Palin, in all likelihood, will go through life mispronouncing that word again and again, just as the hapless, witless fumbleton, George W. Bush does.
CageTheElephantCageTheElephantPost Master
[QUOTEHow hillarious. A bunch of Southerners arguing about how to pronounce something. These are the same people who go to work on Mondee, Tuesdee, Wednesdee, Thursdee and Fridee, who look out the winda, play the piana, and buy a bedroom suit.] [/QUOTE]

Then go back to "Milwalkee" (sic) and order ah "soda"...
Stop "litterin'" tha' South...with UR Yankee trash?
RickyC31RickyC31Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Deeka:
How hillarious. A bunch of Southerners arguing about how to pronounce something. These are the same people who go to work on Mondee, Tuesdee, Wednesdee, Thursdee and Fridee, who look out the winda, play the piana, and buy a bedroom suit.


Why are you on our forums anyway? Should you not be running out and grabbing a pop? BTW, it is spelled hilarious.
marksw59marksw59Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by Deeka:
How hillarious. A bunch of Southerners arguing about how to pronounce something. These are the same people who go to work on Mondee, Tuesdee, Wednesdee, Thursdee and Fridee, who look out the winda, play the piana, and buy a bedroom suit.


Ah yes, the hyper intelligent, and refined West Coast Deeka! Apparently you've been listening to the myriad collections of west coast patois for so long, you don't even recognize an idiom, however colloquial, that is sometimes very lyrical. That's fine though, with an attitude such as yours it is preferred that you keep to your civilized and erudite west coast enclave. Wink
B beternUOld Faithful
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Originally posted by SS97:
Main Entry: nu·cle·ar
Pronunciation: \ˈnü-klē-ər, ˈnyü-, ÷-kyə-lər\
Function: adjective
Date: 1846

Seems acceptable to Merriam Webster


That is a stretch. Merriam-Webster is considered prety loosey goosey on that one. They are alone among dictionaries to list that pronunciation. After publishing that pronunciation, they received many indignant letters from people who care about the language. They have a standard, 400-word response, somewhat apologetic and somewhat weasely, specifically":

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We do not list the pronunciation of "nuclear" as \'nü-ky&-l&r\ as an "acceptable" alternative. We merely list it as an alternative. It is clearly preceded by the obelus mark \÷\. This mark indicates "a pronunciation variant that occurs in educated speech but that is considered by some to be questionable or unacceptable." A full description of this can be found in the Guide to Pronunciation on our website at http://www.m-w.com/pronguid.htm. We are definitely not We are definitely not advocating that anyone should use the pronunciation \'nü-ky&-l&r\ or that they should abandon the pronunciation \'nü-klE-&r\. To say "the word is spelled (x), and therefore should be pronounced (y)" doesn't make any sense. Spelling is not a legitimate basis for determining pronunciation, for the following reasons:

1) English spelling is highly irregular. For example, "move", "dove", and "cove" are spelled similarly but pronounced differently. Likewise, "to", "too", and "two" are spelled differently and pronounced the same.

2) English spelling is frequently based on factors besides pronunciation. For example, the "c" represents three different sounds in "electrical", "electricity" and "electrician", but is spelled the same in all to show that the words are related.

3) Most importantly, spoken language is primary, not written language. Speaking is not the act of translating letters into speech. Rather, the opposite is true. Writing is a collection of symbols meant to represent spoken language. It is not language in and of itself. Many written languages (Spanish, Dutch, etc.), will regularly undergo orthographic reforms to reflect changes in the spoken language. This has never been done for English (the spelling of which has never been regularized in the first place), so what we use for written language is actually largely based on the spoken language of several centuries ago.

All of the entries in our dictionary (pronunciation, meanings, etc.) are based on usage. We have an extensive collection of files which date back to the 19th century. Language is changing all of the time in all respects, and any dictionary which purports to be an accurate description of the language in question must be constantly updated to reflect these changes. All words were pronounced differently at some time in the past. There is simply no scholarly basis for preferring one pronunciation over another. To not list all pronunciation variants would be irresponsible and a failure of our mission to provide a serious, scholarly, record of the current American English language.>>>
elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


Her pronunciation is as significant as your typo. If you are gonna harp on someone's accent, you should at least be flawless while doing it. sheesh!



Nope. I will take note of my errors and correct them. By contrast Palin, in all likelihood, will go through life mispronouncing that word again and again, just as the hapless, witless fumbleton, George W. Bush does.


As explained sometimes the ear hears differently or the palate has problems shaping sounds. With my predominantly scottish heritage, I have no problem rolling Rs, which is helpful in speaking Spanish, as well. OTOH, I have real problems with Asians tonal sounds.

As to Obama's inability to pronounce corps, does that mean he is witless, hapless and a fumbleton, as well! Unless, you are a hypocrite.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


Her pronunciation is as significant as your typo. If you are gonna harp on someone's accent, you should at least be flawless while doing it. sheesh!



Nope. I will take note of my errors and correct them. By contrast Palin, in all likelihood, will go through life mispronouncing that word again and again, just as the hapless, witless fumbleton, George W. Bush does.


As explained sometimes the ear hears differently or the palate has problems shaping sounds. With my predominantly scottish heritage, I have no problem rolling Rs, which is helpful in speaking Spanish, as well. OTOH, I have real problems with Asians tonal sounds.

As to Obama's inability to pronounce corps, does that mean he is witless, hapless and a fumbleton, as well! Unless, you are a hypocrite.


NO. It does not. And there is no hypcrisy involved. I have every confidence that the President's mistake has been called to his attention and that he will not repeat it. As I indicated above, G.W. Bush, although widely criticized for his chronic mispronunciation of the word, nevertheless doggedly continued to make the error.

Bush did not have an "inability" to pronounce nuclear correctly. He was just a stubborn rube who refused to pronounce it correctly.
ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


If you're going to throw stones you need to spell check your glass house.
ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tenn on my mind:
Can't we all, just get alone? Not on you life. This may be the lamed contest of wits, yet. Anything to take away from WHAT someone says, to focus on how they say it. Eeker


Exactly, I would like to see bitter debate some of the issues in the speech. I thought she did an excellant job, especially the part where she said "how's that hopey changey thing workin out for ya".
Tomme73Tomme73Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Deeka:
How hillarious. A bunch of Southerners arguing about how to pronounce something. These are the same people who go to work on Mondee, Tuesdee, Wednesdee, Thursdee and Fridee, who look out the winda, play the piana, and buy a bedroom suit.


I believe, if you were to travel to, oh, let's say Maine, you'd hear the same pronunciation errors of the days of the week. Not to mention all the other painfully obvious butchering of the English language in ALLLLLLL of New England and MOST of the Southern Canadian states, like Michigan. Also, have you ever spoken with someone from Minnesota? At least these Southerners you speak of ARE going to work.
Road PuppyRoad PuppyOld Faithful
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Heh. Apparently you southerners are just as nasty to each other on the forums as any yankees. Y'all just do it slower and without much originality.

Bravo!


And you give everyone above the Mason-Dixon line a very bad reputation intelligence-wise.


*YAWN* How original...
Oh, really?
Please explain, Sparky.
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K kperk014Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by Road Puppy:
quote:
Originally posted by kperk014:
quote:
Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Heh. Apparently you southerners are just as nasty to each other on the forums as any yankees. Y'all just do it slower and without much originality.

Bravo!


And you give everyone above the Mason-Dixon line a very bad reputation intelligence-wise.


*YAWN* How original...
Oh, really?
Please explain, Sparky.


I know fleabag. Anything more complicated than spelling *yawn* is beyond your feeble little grasp. Big Grin
elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by elinterventor01:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
Well, not quite. The nation is not under nuclear attack. The English language is under attack, however, as it was in the days of George W. Bush. It is under "new'-kya-ler" attack by Sarah Palin. Yes, one more nationally prominent politician who can not pronounce "nuclear" correctly. In her predictable, standard canned little speech tonight--this time to the Tea Party crowd--Palin said "new"-kya-ler" at least three times. Good grief! One would think that either she or some person advising her would have known to get that word right. As much of an embarrassment as Bush's chronic mispronunciation was, one would think the Palin handlers woudld want the Wingnut of Wasilla to at least not stumble into that glaring error.

I dunno--maybe she and her entire contingent are totally tone deaf on such matters.


Her pronunciation is as significant as your typo. If you are gonna harp on someone's accent, you should at least be flawless while doing it. sheesh!



Nope. I will take note of my errors and correct them. By contrast Palin, in all likelihood, will go through life mispronouncing that word again and again, just as the hapless, witless fumbleton, George W. Bush does.


As explained sometimes the ear hears differently or the palate has problems shaping sounds. With my predominantly scottish heritage, I have no problem rolling Rs, which is helpful in speaking Spanish, as well. OTOH, I have real problems with Asians tonal sounds.

As to Obama's inability to pronounce corps, does that mean he is witless, hapless and a fumbleton, as well! Unless, you are a hypocrite.


NO. It does not. And there is no hypcrisy involved. I have every confidence that the President's mistake has been called to his attention and that he will not repeat it. As I indicated above, G.W. Bush, although widely criticized for his chronic mispronunciation of the word, nevertheless doggedly continued to make the error.

Bush did not have an "inability" to pronounce nuclear correctly. He was just a stubborn rube who refused to pronounce it correctly.


Obama has mispronounced the words four times, the first time in October. Perhaps, the ninnies who serve him don't know the difference, either.
Road PuppyRoad PuppyOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by kperk014:
quote:
Originally posted by Road Puppy:
quote:
Originally posted by kperk014:
quote:
Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Heh. Apparently you southerners are just as nasty to each other on the forums as any yankees. Y'all just do it slower and without much originality.

Bravo!


And you give everyone above the Mason-Dixon line a very bad reputation intelligence-wise.


*YAWN* How original...
Oh, really?
Please explain, Sparky.


I know fleabag. Anything more complicated than spelling *yawn* is beyond your feeble little grasp. Big Grin


Oh! You know me so darn well? Like I said-NO originality.
I merely stated that I'd made an observation that the behavior of a good many southern folk here on these forums could quickly become just as nasty as that of any yankees. Seein' as y'all were pickin' on th' other yankee, anyways...
Not an attack, mind you. And certainly not a PERSONAL attack on you, either. Just an observation. You, on the other hand, have single-handedly made ME responsible for everybody north of the Mason-Dixon.

I rest my case, Sparky. You must be one of those nasty ones.

Ya stumpf@#%, snaggletoothed, tree-hangin', hill-scoggin crap-flinger.

There. Big enough words for ya, Sparky? Or do I need to dumb it down some more for ya? Big Grin

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