Remember, Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary...
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the blaze?
Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:
Remember, Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary...
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A burglary that attempted to steal this country! A burglary that ultimately resulted in over 30 convictions for various Republican operatives. And as bad as anything else--a burglary that got the despicable convicted felon and pseudo-macho poseur, G. Gordon Liddy, a new career as a talk show host catering to the ultra-wing nut crowd.
Never cared much for Loser Libby, now hawking gold.
Difference between Nixon and Obama -- Nixon was a veteran, saw combat, I believe.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Never cared much for Loser Libby, now hawking gold.
Difference between Nixon and Obama -- Nixon was a veteran, saw combat, I believe.
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That has nothing to do with Watergate or the current pseudo-scandals.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Never cared much for Loser Libby, now hawking gold.
Difference between Nixon and Obama -- Nixon was a veteran, saw combat, I believe.
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One more difference-obama will get a pass.
A pass on what? So far there has been no ****ing evidence to level any blame at the President. Just because the Republicans keep jumping up and down trying to manufacture a scandal does not mean they actually have any kind of proof it exist. Of course that has never stopped them before and the Republican voters don't need proof either.
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Never cared much for Loser Libby, now hawking gold.
Difference between Nixon and Obama -- Nixon was a veteran, saw combat, I believe.
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That has nothing to do with Watergate or the current pseudo-scandals.
Contendah,
Demanding information not legal to demand, or possess, such as membership lists and donor lists is a felony. Extreme delay in granting tax exempt status can be a violation of the Civil Rights Act and the Hatch Act. Demanding a group sign away a First Amendment right is a felony. Lying on an affidavit to a judge and lying under oath to Congress are both felonies. Not pseudo-scandals -- crimes.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
A pass on what? So far there has been no ****ing evidence to level any blame at the President. Just because the Republicans keep jumping up and down trying to manufacture a scandal does not mean they actually have any kind of proof it exist. Of course that has never stopped them before and the Republican voters don't need proof either.
There is evidence of a conspiracy, how far it goes is the question.
Nixon has an authentic original American Birth Certificate.
Written in English.
Obama don't,,,never did.
So far, the conspiracy goes up to the Technical Unit in DC. Highest government official, Louis Lerner, is a Senior Executive Service Level III at about $177,000. Before Louis, the last government official I remember taking the Fifth before Congress was convicted of espionage for the Soviets.
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Nixon has an authentic original American Birth Certificate.
Written in English.
Obama don't,,,never did.
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AH, YES, we have here an unreconstructed "Birther" of the Orly Taitz-Glenn Beck-Donald Trump-Sheriff Joe Arpaio variety, i.e. the know nothing but blither away species!
Show me his Birth Certificate and I'll shut my mouth.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
A pass on what? So far there has been no ****ing evidence to level any blame at the President. Just because the Republicans keep jumping up and down trying to manufacture a scandal does not mean they actually have any kind of proof it exist. Of course that has never stopped them before and the Republican voters don't need proof either.
There is evidence of a conspiracy, how far it goes is the question.
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Ok, show me.
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Show me his Birth Certificate and I'll shut my mouth.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics...birthcertificate.asp
You can shut your mouth now. 
Originally Posted by direstraits:
So far, the conspiracy goes up to the Technical Unit in DC. Highest government official, Louis Lerner, is a Senior Executive Service Level III at about $177,000. Before Louis, the last government official I remember taking the Fifth before Congress was convicted of espionage for the Soviets.
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Show me evidence of this.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
So far, the conspiracy goes up to the Technical Unit in DC. Highest government official, Louis Lerner, is a Senior Executive Service Level III at about $177,000. Before Louis, the last government official I remember taking the Fifth before Congress was convicted of espionage for the Soviets.
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Show me evidence of this.
IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show
Additional scrutiny of conservative organizations’ activities by the IRS did not solely originate in the agency’s Cincinnati office, with requests for information coming from other offices and often bearing the signatures of higher-ups at the agency, according to attorneys representing some of the targeted groups. At least one letter requesting information about one of the groups bears the signature of Lois Lerner, the suspended director of the IRS Exempt Organizations department in Washington.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com...ps-letters-show?lite
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
So far, the conspiracy goes up to the Technical Unit in DC. Highest government official, Louis Lerner, is a Senior Executive Service Level III at about $177,000. Before Louis, the last government official I remember taking the Fifth before Congress was convicted of espionage for the Soviets.
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Show me evidence of this.
Easy, I’ve spelled this out several times, but once more. The Treasury IG Audit report I refer to is at http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/...orts/201310053fr.pdf and is entitled
Inappropriate Criteria Were Used to Identify Tax-Exempt Applications for Review May 14, 2013 Reference Number: 2013-10-053. The audit report only identified what it referred to as “inappropriate actions” which is government weasel wording for illegal. This generated an IG investigation which would make a determination on which actions may be considered illegal. I see DoJ has also begun an investigation, as well.
The Determinations Unit (Cincinnati) sent questionnaires to the organizations requiring additional information. Part of the information requested included donor and membership lists. The IG audit report, referenced a May 17, 2010 email stating, "the Determinations Unit specialist will send additional information request letters to the Technical Unit (DC) for review prior to issuance as part of the Technical Unit’s attempt to provide assistance to the Determinations Unit." This indicated that there was another activity besides the Cincinnati office involved in the approval process.
On TV, it was announced Lerner's salary was $177,000, which equates to SES level 3.Next!
Page 7 of the referenced report.
"If the Determinations Unit needs technical assistance processing applications, it may call upon the Technical Unit in the Rulings and Agreements office in Washington, D.C."
So much for a few rogue agents, at least three offices involved spread out over the nation.
"Two Southern California offices were named Tuesday in an Internal Revenue Services scandal where offices singled out Tea Party organizations during the 2012 election.
"Offices in El Monte and Laguna Niguel came under fire after allegedly targeting conservative social welfare groups with the words “tea party” or “patriot” in their names in the national scandal. IRS officials sent questionnaires to the groups, probing about their donor lists and requesting other information after the groups filed for tax exempt status.
The IRS letters were released by the American Center for Law and Justice, which represented 27 of the groups."
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/n...andal-207435041.html
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:
Remember, Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary...
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A burglary that attempted to steal this country! A burglary that ultimately resulted in over 30 convictions for various Republican operatives. And as bad as anything else--a burglary that got the despicable convicted felon and pseudo-macho poseur, G. Gordon Liddy, a new career as a talk show host catering to the ultra-wing nut crowd.
Contendah,
At the onset, it was announced the burglary was to find evidence that Castro funneled money to the DNC. Much later, it was revealed they were looking for evidence the DNC used hookers in the primaries and election. More believable, the DNC is more into hanky-panky, than treason.
There was never any evidence Nixon was involved in the burglary. His sin was the cover-up. The burglary was entirely unnecessary as Nixon's margin proved. Too bad, he didn't let the investigation go its way. He'd never been implicated.
Now, Obama's doing his best Nixon impression. Not pretty!
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Show me his Birth Certificate and I'll shut my mouth.
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It has been shown repeatedly; you are just too blindly biased to acknowledge that.
Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
So far, the conspiracy goes up to the Technical Unit in DC. Highest government official, Louis Lerner, is a Senior Executive Service Level III at about $177,000. Before Louis, the last government official I remember taking the Fifth before Congress was convicted of espionage for the Soviets.
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Show me evidence of this.
IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show
Additional scrutiny of conservative organizations’ activities by the IRS did not solely originate in the agency’s Cincinnati office, with requests for information coming from other offices and often bearing the signatures of higher-ups at the agency, according to attorneys representing some of the targeted groups. At least one letter requesting information about one of the groups bears the signature of Lois Lerner, the suspended director of the IRS Exempt Organizations department in Washington.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com...ps-letters-show?lite
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I don't question that there was inappropriate goings on in the IRS. What I am questioning is this whole "conspiracy" theory. We have no evidence that there was a conspiracy, what we have is information showing clearly that rules and laws were violated.
And none of it even comes close to the WH.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:
Remember, Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary...
___
A burglary that attempted to steal this country! A burglary that ultimately resulted in over 30 convictions for various Republican operatives. And as bad as anything else--a burglary that got the despicable convicted felon and pseudo-macho poseur, G. Gordon Liddy, a new career as a talk show host catering to the ultra-wing nut crowd.
Contendah,
At the onset, it was announced the burglary was to find evidence that Castro funneled money to the DNC. Much later, it was revealed they were looking for evidence the DNC used hookers in the primaries and election. More believable, the DNC is more into hanky-panky, than treason.
There was never any evidence Nixon was involved in the burglary. His sin was the cover-up. The burglary was entirely unnecessary as Nixon's margin proved. Too bad, he didn't let the investigation go its way. He'd never been implicated.
Now, Obama's doing his best Nixon impression. Not pretty!
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Actually President Obama is doing the exact opposite of what Nixon did. He is not trying to stop the investigation or obstruct the IG report. He has been supportive of the investigation. Nixon paid hush money and basically threatened the FBI to stop looking into the burglary .
You guys are just hoping that he does something like Nixon did. Hoping and wishing for a cover-up from the WH is not the same as actual proof that it has or is happening.
Sometimes I can't keep up with how many "watergates" the President is being accused of. You guys need to narrow it down and come up with some real proof. What Nixon and his administration did was bad, but in all reality the last president did far worse and we never heard a peep out of the Republican congress or voters. Now this President has not been shown to have his hand in these so called "cover-ups" yet you guys are calling for impeachment.
That is why his poll numbers keep going up and the Republican congress approval ratings keep going down. Maybe you guys will figure it out next year after the elections.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
So far, the conspiracy goes up to the Technical Unit in DC. Highest government official, Louis Lerner, is a Senior Executive Service Level III at about $177,000. Before Louis, the last government official I remember taking the Fifth before Congress was convicted of espionage for the Soviets.
______________________
Show me evidence of this.
IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show
Additional scrutiny of conservative organizations’ activities by the IRS did not solely originate in the agency’s Cincinnati office, with requests for information coming from other offices and often bearing the signatures of higher-ups at the agency, according to attorneys representing some of the targeted groups. At least one letter requesting information about one of the groups bears the signature of Lois Lerner, the suspended director of the IRS Exempt Organizations department in Washington.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com...ps-letters-show?lite
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I don't question that there was inappropriate goings on in the IRS. What I am questioning is this whole "conspiracy" theory. We have no evidence that there was a conspiracy, what we have is information showing clearly that rules and laws were violated.
And none of it even comes close to the WH.
Jank,
That there was a conspiracy is no longer at doubt. How high it goes is the question. Offices in three cities are now proven to be in collusion. Questionnaires that demanded information illegal to demand or possess by a federal office was demanded by questionnaires approved at the DC and Cincinnati offices. So far, the highest official is a lawyer, the SES III. Congressional investigators should question her off the record just to determine if she received instructions from someone. higher -- yes, or no. No request for names, or other information. If yes, then Congress should offer immunity for more details.
No one should he talking about impeachment -- that's a distraction. Just concentrate on the known illegal and inappropriate actions and see where the audit trail leads.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:
Remember, Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary...
___
A burglary that attempted to steal this country! A burglary that ultimately resulted in over 30 convictions for various Republican operatives. And as bad as anything else--a burglary that got the despicable convicted felon and pseudo-macho poseur, G. Gordon Liddy, a new career as a talk show host catering to the ultra-wing nut crowd.
Contendah,
At the onset, it was announced the burglary was to find evidence that Castro funneled money to the DNC. Much later, it was revealed they were looking for evidence the DNC used hookers in the primaries and election. More believable, the DNC is more into hanky-panky, than treason.
There was never any evidence Nixon was involved in the burglary. His sin was the cover-up. The burglary was entirely unnecessary as Nixon's margin proved. Too bad, he didn't let the investigation go its way. He'd never been implicated.
Now, Obama's doing his best Nixon impression. Not pretty!
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Actually President Obama is doing the exact opposite of what Nixon did. He is not trying to stop the investigation or obstruct the IG report. He has been supportive of the investigation. Nixon paid hush money and basically threatened the FBI to stop looking into the burglary .
You guys are just hoping that he does something like Nixon did. Hoping and wishing for a cover-up from the WH is not the same as actual proof that it has or is happening.
Sometimes I can't keep up with how many "watergates" the President is being accused of. You guys need to narrow it down and come up with some real proof. What Nixon and his administration did was bad, but in all reality the last president did far worse and we never heard a peep out of the Republican congress or voters. Now this President has not been shown to have his hand in these so called "cover-ups" yet you guys are calling for impeachment.
That is why his poll numbers keep going up and the Republican congress approval ratings keep going down. Maybe you guys will figure it out next year after the elections.
Contendah,
In truth, we don't know whether Obama is attempting a cover up, or not. The inquiries and investigations have just begun. It took quite a while to develop the case against Nixon. It may well be that Obama's sin is incompetence -- one of omission, and not of commission. He may just be guilty of allowing the scandals and illegal actions to grow because of an atmosphere of indifference. However, it's small comfort finding out Obama is just one notch above Biden.
Obama's personal popularity is still quite high, but 76 percent are calling for a special prosecutor. Congress polls low, however, its pretty much the same numbers as existed under a Democrat majority.
Given the gop operatives in the red state Louisiana are mailing out poison letters, scrutinization for the purpose of securitization of the nation should be mandatory.
Isn't that a castor bean plant in your avatar?
Do you live in Shreveport?
Niles if you are a repub you have contributed to this attempt on our POTUS. It is a shame that the hateful repub rhetoric has led to this. The gop will stop at nothing.
I know very little about your intentions.