Obama calls pastors to explain gay marriage support; black churches ‘conflicted’ by president’s decision

I don't see how that could be construed as USING churches or religion to push their ideas. I would view it more as an attempt at damage control. He knew that he might alienate some black Christians, and was trying to save their votes. You could even make the argument that he is pushing his idea IN SPITE of churches and religion, but he certainly isn't USING either to promote his ideas.

lol, Best you forgot this is the do nothing wrong president, it don't matter the issue the libs have a excuse for it all.

ONE of my favorite parts:

Barack Obama led a conference call with black church pastors to explain his support for gay marriage, the New York Times reports. The call, which was held with "eight or so African-American ministers," 

Just wondering though, why they don't describe him as our "white" black president.

Like I said these people would turn out for Obama had he shot Treyvon Martin.

Black people might want to start distancing themselves from Obama.

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They can't, when elected they said they would never need to buy gas or food

again. sounds like a good deal.

This is just what I've said, democrats use religion as much or more than republicans. IF this had been a republican, they'd be going *** ****. BUT it is quite OK for obama to go to the churches (black only btw, what's that all about?) and ask them to "explain" (wink wink) his "views". 

Hi all,

I am just curious why Obama did not include ANY white pastors, or brown pastors, or yellow pastors, or Native American pastors -- in his conference call.  Why only black pastors?  Does he not care what other people think of him?  Just curious.

By the way, has anyone else seen the new Newsweek magazine cover:  Our First Gay President? 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

BILL your not gay are you? you sure have lots of hate in your heart seems like. are you the only one on here that knows it all. come back now with your smart azz reply. you make me want to distance myself from your so called religion. it's more racism and lies you spew out. 

to: hall a famer it seems that the comments you make are rooted out animosity for a black president. The old america believed a black mans place is not to lead but to slave. The truth is a lot of people still have the same hatred and beliefs that existed then. Their mind state has not changed much nor the laws. It still goes on in the community, in the work place and hiring of individuals, and in the church. This is just reality. It's a big elephant in the area we live in and the world we live in thats visible to everyone but the conviction and responsibility of dealing with it is uncomfortable. Therefore it's better to just ignore it and act like you dont see it. Ignoring the problem just makes it worst while in the meanwhile generations of people are being hurt and damaged. Relationships fail to progress. We are in a day an age where pastors are afraid to deal with race because of deep challanges that will lay ahead. I guess pleasing man becomes more important then pleasing God. The worlds efforts are more dilligent then believers in dealing with this elephant. The truth is a lot of people rather have it this way. In a nut shell the community will always suffer when there is division. As a christian i don't support our president's view on the marriage issue. I dont support mitt romneys view about mormonism yet many christians not only support him but promote his agenda. Based on the scripture if we can help those who are in need it's are responsibility as christians to do so. I dont support the the idea that we should only witness to those who are just like us. I dont support segregation in our churches and communites. Often times we say this is one nation under God. The truth is this nation is not living by God's standard. You are free to vote for who you want to but dont forget no matter who you nominate they are still politicians. Thats there job. They are good at it. As christians we may make progress if we start praying for our leaders like God tells us to. Not to see there demise but that they might do the will of God in tough situation. He is still our president (mine and yours) whether you like him or not. God ordaines all leadership so feel free to vote but if you hate him that much you have a issue with  God who put him there. There are two perspectives one perspective hears such an announcement and says i see a need to pray more. The other hears such an announcement and says I must persecute more. One sees prayer as a way of influence. The other sees persecution as a way of influence. Which will you choose? Sometimes in our magnifying others mistakes we fail to search our own hearts. So I'm going to do some inventory on my on because there must be balance. Catch you later. May the God of all grace be with us all through his son Jesus Christ. If I am wrong in my assessment please forgive me no harm intended just dialogue and insight.         

Originally Posted by: blacck   

As a christian i don't support our president's view on the marriage issue. I dont support mitt romneys view about mormonism yet many christians not only support him but promote his agenda.

If I am wrong in my assessment please forgive me no harm intended just dialogue and insight.

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If you don’t support Obama’s view on the marriage issue & you don’t support Romney’s view on Mormonism, then I guess this means you won’t be voting in this Presidental election?

If you don’t like either one, how will you choose one evil over another?

I haven’t heard Romney mention his belief’s or Mormonism as part of his campaign. He’s not ashamed to say he believes in God, & he considers himself a Christian. You said Christians not only support Romney but also promote his agenda. Is his genda not to get this country out of debt & to put people back to work?

BTW, welcome to the forum.

To answer your first question about me voting. My personal vote is up to me. The second question about two evils. I think we have to be careful in our judgement of others which was one of the points I was making. The president says he is a christian as well. His belief in Jesus is according to the Holy bible not the book of mormons. I will never condone sin but I will say as christians according to bible we who are spiritual have a responsibilty to gently restore each other if we do make mistakes(Galatians chapter six). Our job is not to crucify each other. Our job is strengthen each other and to help led each other down the right path which is God's standard.  They both run on more than one issue. They run on policiies and promises. I don't think  romney or obama is quote unquote evil. Question three. He has yet to reveal how he would pull this off. I'm all ears but he must present a plan not just good talk. However all this is politics which will steer away from the real elephant in the room. The race issue I addressed. The segragation. The division in our country, our community, and our churches. If it has to do with promises and policies that were made we have a right to hold them both accountable. But to discredited people because of the color of their skin are because they don't think like you I can never support not from any race of people. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God never forces his way on people. But he has given people hope through Jesus Christ. What I'm saying is very relevant in our area it's just not many will have courage enough to cross the color line. God's love is able to see potential even in the worst of the worst. May the God of all peace be with you. All though we have different view points I respect yours and thank you for sharing.       

Who made it about race in the first place? We have a biracial president who chooses to call himself black. I say chooses because that is just what he did. He is as much white as he is black, but he never mentions the white side of his family. Now what is that on his part if it's not racism? I didn't vote for either clinton, what color are they? I didn't vote for kerry, gore, edwards, any democrat, what color are they? Don't you think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when people who are republicans, have always been republicans, or others for that matter, are accused of racism because they don't like his and the other democrats POLICIES? I'm ready for him to be gone, and not because of his color but because he is nothing but a waste of time. As for his religion, your guess is as good as mine.

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Yes, your personal vote is your business, I wasn't asking who you were voting for. It was my opinion when I mentioned the lesser of two evils. Neither one of those men is what this country needs, but sadly, (though I hope I'm wrong) I don't believe Romney has what it will take to beat Obama.

Yes, Obama says he's a Christian but talk is cheap. I don't see him walking the walk. We have a so called "Christian" on this forum that talks big too but talk won't make a Christian.

I don't know why you brought race into your post in the first place. It should have no place here. 

I haven't seen any "color line" to cross, but I don't want to get into a discussion about race.

Profound post. I agree 100%

During the Clarence Thomas debacle of Congressional hearings as to his fitness, more than one news outlet ran the story that blacks didn't believe Thomas' accuser because someone in his position would only "flirt" with light skinned women. I would personally disagree with that, but do understand that line of thinking.

Now we have Obama who was raised mainly by a white mother and white grandparents. Yet he does call himself black, married a black woman, and attended a black church in Chicago. It's certainly his choice, but it does not fit the pattern of the majority in his ethnic shoes.

People have labeled him some sort of "sleeper" candidate backed by socialist bigwigs. It's possible he's nothing close to that, but is only someone who wished to cozy up to his supervisor in order to be successful, wound up marrying her, and donned the mantle of blackness to pacify her.

Or it COULD be that the man LOOKS black, and in a society that considers anyone who looks like him to be black, he, like most people looking at him, considers himself black. I know several bi-racial people, and every single one of them goes by the way they LOOK, when labeling themselves by race.

My racial background is mixed, as is just about everyone's. I too, go by how I LOOK. How about ethnic background? Do you tell everyone you meet that you are part Sweedish, part German, part French, or part whatever? Or do you just call yourself an American?

And why on earth does ANY of it matter? You folks keep saying it is the ISSUES that matter - you know, the economy? So why do YOU keep harping on what RACE Obama chooses to call himself?

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Kudo's to both of you!!      

The only ones "harping" on it are the democrats when they accuse people of racism because they don't like barack hussein obama. That's another thing they can't stand, when anyone uses his entire given name.

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He makes it matter. He may call himself a black man because he looks half black, but it's as if he refuses to acknowledge he's half white as though it's something dirty.  

If he refuse to acknowledge the white side, then why did he talk so much about what a great woman his grandmother was? Could it be selective hearing on the part of his detractors?

This is strictly a political move.  There are more gays and lesbians that actually vote than there are black people that vote.  The only time that blacks actually do get out and vote is when their preachers really get revved up over something, or they have the opportunity to vote for the first black President who they believe will empower them.  With the election coming up, and blacks not being any better off, nor more empowered, than they were before Obama got elected, the blacks will once again not show up to vote.  He can't do anything to get them to come out and vote, but he can get the gays and lesbians of all races to the polls.  Talking to the black preachers is just damage control and political stroking.

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I've heard him mention her but I meant the statements he has made about being a black man but never mentions the white side.

old faithful: listening to your comments about black this and black that shows your heart and the anomosity that you have towards black people. Little do you know your character is being revealed as you speak. Therefore, this conversation with me must end. Goodbye. Hatred only gives birth to hatred.   

Which old fathful ???