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BTW, your assumption that these people can just be carried on their parents insurance is just screwed up. Most insurance companies will not carry one's children over 18 unless they are in college, and will not carry them after about 22 at all.


You are correct. I lost coverage at 21 when I graduated from college. I worked in retail until August that year (I lost coverage in May). For my parents to keep me on COBRA insurance was $400+ a month. Not in the budget. I didn't make that much in a week working in retail. And my parents were helping pay off my tuition, etc. so they were stretched very thin My dad worked overtime and mom worked! I had to wait 3 more months to qualify at my retail store for their crappy insurance policy. I received insurance the month I left (august) for a job in my field (would have been paying in 75-100 from each check on my part of the plan, plus outrageous deductibles once I actually used it). It was too little too late. My wisdom teeth needed to be removed and were on the verge of becoming infected.

I would have needed to pay $800 a tooth for the surgery and I needed all 4 out. (Not affordable considering I was about to make a move to a new state and was working at $9 an hour). I suffered all summer. And FINALLY got them out under my new employer's policy, which started on day one. I was VERY lucky. Not only to get decent coverage, but to even get a job in my field!

I have a lot of friends who graduated with me that still work in retail and restaurants. Some don't have coverage because their employers don't offer it and their parents insurance has since dropped them.

Sucks for everyone.

The minute you obtain that degree, you are dropped. You can continue paying but it is OUTRAGEOUS. And the job market is not promising for new graduates, especially in certain fields.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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But they can't have abortions and they can't afford birth control.


Pills are cheap, condoms are free, and not screwing is 100% effective. Not much fun, but effective. Again, it comes down to personal responsibility.


But Planned Parenting is not advocated by a lot of conservative Americans. Condoms and pills have to be purchased under some kind of government program. But we should cut that I guess.

Besides, if they were legally married, what if they WANTed children? Do you have them? I don't and it is because I do not want children at this time in my life.

I still don't think you can judge someone because they want/don't want children. It was a hypothetical scenario in the first place, but there are a lot of people in the situation.

They weren't at the poverty line many years ago, and now have suddenly found themselves teetering on the edge.

Say I'm ready to have a baby in 2 years, in 8 years I may not be bringing in the same dollar value I once was when the child was first born. Maybe I was making good money and thought everything would be okay, and then the economy slumps and I can barely feed the kid. We can plan all day, but usually your plans get changed along the way. It's called life...
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What if they WANT children? Do you have them? I don't and it is because I do not want children at this time in my life.

I still don't think you can judge someone because they want/don't want children. It was a hypothetical scenario in the first place, but there are a lot of people in the situation.

They weren't at the poverty line many years ago, and now have suddenly found themselves teetering on the edge.


If someone really wanted children, they would want to make sure they could support them. Get educated, a decent job, and prepare for it.

I'm not judging anyone, I'm saying it's not the government's job to take care of people of able body and mind who aren't responsible enough to take care of themselves.
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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But they can't have abortions and they can't afford birth control.


Pills are cheap, condoms are free, and not screwing is 100% effective. Not much fun, but effective. Again, it comes down to personal responsibility.


But Planned Parenting is not advocated by a lot of conservative Americans. Condoms and pills have to be purchased under some kind of government program. But we should cut that I guess.

Besides, if they were legally married, what if they WANTed children? Do you have them? I don't and it is because I do not want children at this time in my life.

I still don't think you can judge someone because they want/don't want children. It was a hypothetical scenario in the first place, but there are a lot of people in the situation.

They weren't at the poverty line many years ago, and now have suddenly found themselves teetering on the edge.


It's called life, and it's yours, mine and theirs to lead. The gov't should not be in the business of living any of our lives, to include supporting us, that is our own job.
So say that couple decided they weren't ready for a kid, like me and my husband.

Where do they get free condoms? pills?

We can't fund that program because it is wasteful and it is supporting able-bodied people. Churches don't give those things away becaues it is sinful and promotes promiscuity, even though this hypothetical couple is married.

So then what? Beg someone else to help pay for $40/month pills. (Yes some are even more) But let's just say the woman is on a pill that is $40 WITH insurance. $60 without.

How can someone on $9.00/hour afford that plus gas, rent/house, car payment, groceries, and utliity bill?!? Forget the phone and TV. They still couldn't make it in this economy....

A cost of a free condom isn't going to hurt the average American's pocketbook. But it might save some child from being born into poverty since you'd rather it not be aborted.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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What if they WANT children? Do you have them? I don't and it is because I do not want children at this time in my life.

I still don't think you can judge someone because they want/don't want children. It was a hypothetical scenario in the first place, but there are a lot of people in the situation.

They weren't at the poverty line many years ago, and now have suddenly found themselves teetering on the edge.


If someone really wanted children, they would want to make sure they could support them. Get educated, a decent job, and prepare for it.

I'm not judging anyone, I'm saying it's not the government's job to take care of people of able body and mind who aren't responsible enough to take care of themselves.


Ok.

So this married couple has every right to consummate their marriage. It HAPPENS! That's one of the perks of being married. Should they just never sleep together ever?

Since they can't afford condoms or pills, the kids will just have to suffer. They would use them, but can't afford them. What are they supposed to do?
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
So say that couple decided they weren't ready for a kid, like me and my husband.

Where do they get free condoms? pills?

We can't fund that program because it is wasteful and it is supporting able-bodied people. Churches don't give those things away becaues it is sinful and promotes promiscuity, even though this hypothetical couple is married.

So then what? Beg someone else to help pay for $40/month pills. (Yes some are even more) But let's just say the woman is on a pill that is $40 WITH insurance. $60 without.

How can someone on $9.00/hour afford that plus gas, rent/house, car payment, groceries, and utliity bill?!? Forget the phone and TV. They still couldn't make it in this economy....


You go to the Health Dept and get them for free. I'll pay the tax for that. It's much better than having to support that persons kid for the next 18 years...
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
So say that couple decided they weren't ready for a kid, like me and my husband.

Where do they get free condoms? pills?

We can't fund that program because it is wasteful and it is supporting able-bodied people. Churches don't give those things away becaues it is sinful and promotes promiscuity, even though this hypothetical couple is married.

So then what? Beg someone else to help pay for $40/month pills. (Yes some are even more) But let's just say the woman is on a pill that is $40 WITH insurance. $60 without.

How can someone on $9.00/hour afford that plus gas, rent/house, car payment, groceries, and utliity bill?!? Forget the phone and TV. They still couldn't make it in this economy....


You go to the Health Dept and get them for free. I'll pay the tax for that. It's much better than having to support that persons kid for the next 18 years...


Finally, that is what I am getting at. We SHOULD support Planned Parenting ruthlessly!

We'd cut the population down and not have to support so many.

Abortions would decrease.

What is so terrible about giving some couple a condom that can't afford it? If they are married, they should get to have all the sex they want because that's ultimately all they have to claim of their own.

Not all government-funded programs are useless.
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
So say that couple decided they weren't ready for a kid, like me and my husband.

Where do they get free condoms? pills?

We can't fund that program because it is wasteful and it is supporting able-bodied people. Churches don't give those things away becaues it is sinful and promotes promiscuity, even though this hypothetical couple is married.

So then what? Beg someone else to help pay for $40/month pills. (Yes some are even more) But let's just say the woman is on a pill that is $40 WITH insurance. $60 without.

How can someone on $9.00/hour afford that plus gas, rent/house, car payment, groceries, and utliity bill?!? Forget the phone and TV. They still couldn't make it in this economy....


You go to the Health Dept and get them for free. I'll pay the tax for that. It's much better than having to support that persons kid for the next 18 years...


Finally, that is what I am getting at. We SHOULD support Planned Parenting ruthlessly!

We'd cut the population down and not have to support so many.

Abortions would decrease.

What is so terrible about giving some couple a condom that can't afford it? If they are married, they should get to have all the sex they want because that's ultimately all they have to claim of their own.

Not all government-funded programs are useless.


Planned Parenthood should rename themselves Abortions R Us becasue that is their stock and trade. I never said ANYTHING about not giving folks condoms, I believe you can get them at the county clinic also.

Isn't it funny how the only sex-ed class we had back in the day was in the 9th grade Biology class and we didn't have ANY unwanted pregnancies in my entire graduating class. Now that sex is everywhere and we have all these outrageous sex classes in the schools we have 12 and 13 year olds getting pregnant. Go figure. The problems not educating the kids about sex at school, its putting the "PARENT" back in parenting.
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No.

The current administration says churches and religious organizations should fund this type of program. They (churches) oppose teaching anything but abstinence.


There are plenty of non religious, non profit, non government funded organizations out there doing just fine. This program can and should be funded privately. Churches and religious organizations aren't the only source for funding. Again, that's not the government's job to fix people's mistakes.
McCain's Record:

Since he’s been in Washington during the past 25 years, Sen. McCain has consistently voted against women’s health. From opposing funding for family planning programs to voting against requiring insurance coverage of birth control, McCain has taken extreme positions against women’s health and has not supported legislation that would help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and the need for abortion.

Bill/Amendment Vote

Comprehensive Sex Education ANTI
Global Gag Rule ANTI
International Family Planning Funding ANTI
Emergency Contraception ANTI
The Right to Choose ANTI
Abortion Access for Women in the Military ANTI
Abortion Ban ANTI
Patient Privacy ANTI
Comprehensive Family Planning ANTI
Fetal Rights ANTI
Teen Health and Safety ANTI
Violence Against Reproductive Healthcare Providers ANTI
Supreme Court Nominations ANTI
Health Care for Low Income Families ANTI

(You will be paying for these impoverished children ultimately because he also opposes abortions. All children are to be kept alive and some of those may need financial support)

Hillary's Record:

NY Senator Hillary Clinton (D) Pro 100%
Bill/Amendment Vote

Comprehensive Sex Education PRO
Global Gag Rule PRO
International Family Planning Funding NIO
Emergency Contraception NIO
The Right to Choose PRO
Abortion Access for Women in the Military PRO
Abortion Ban PRO
Patient Privacy NIO
Comprehensive Family Planning PRO
Fetal Rights PRO
Teen Health and Safety PRO
Violence Against Reproductive Healthcare Providers PRO
Supreme Court Nominations PRO
Health Care for Low Income Families PRO

[Legend: Pro-choice 100% NIO Not in Office
Mixed 99% - 50% NV No Vote (Did Not Vote)
Anti-choice 49% - 0% NM New Member]

Barack's Record:

Comprehensive Sex Education PRO
Global Gag Rule PRO
International Family Planning Funding NIO
Emergency Contraception NIO
The Right to Choose NIO
Abortion Access for Women in the Military NIO
Abortion Ban NIO
Patient Privacy NIO
Comprehensive Family Planning PRO
Fetal Rights NIO
Teen Health and Safety PRO
Violence Against Reproductive Healthcare Providers PRO
Supreme Court Nominations PRO
Health Care for Low Income Families PRO

We could cut back on welfare, but there will always be a great need for assistance. 100% of American can't be middle to upper class. There will always be a lower economic class. If you don't want to support them, whether through education, healthcare, the legan and prison system, I would suggest we educate everyone possible about the consequences of sex.


McCain opposes teaching anybody about sex and the options they have, such as adoption or safe sex.

It will just shift the tax burden from a box of condoms a month, to a monhtly healthcare, education, and food/housing assistance tab for one child and that parent.
The problem is because when left up to parents, 60% of parents aren't talking to their children about sex. They don't explain HOW pregnancy happens or about diseases.

So there are literally "stupid" kids that know NOTHING of sex because the parents don't feel comfortable talking about it and feel embarassed or that it is inappropriate to talk about.

HOW ELSE WILL THEY LEARN?????
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
I knew 7 girls that got pregnant in our class while I was in 9th grade. We didn't get to take health until the 10th....

7 sets of parents failed to mention HOW you get pregnant.


And your point is... the gov't is supposed to do it for them??? The "girls" should have kept their legs closed. Don't be naive and think they didn't know they could get pregnant. In this jacked up society we are living in today, it is "cool" to be making them babies while you are still a baby.
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
The problem is because when left up to parents, 60% of parents aren't talking to their children about sex. They don't explain HOW pregnancy happens or about diseases.

So there are literally "stupid" kids that know NOTHING of sex because the parents don't feel comfortable talking about it and feel embarassed or that it is inappropriate to talk about.

HOW ELSE WILL THEY LEARN?????


How do you know that those "60%" of parents didn't talk to their kids? Most likely the kids were just "stupid" and did it anyway.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
The problem is because when left up to parents, 60% of parents aren't talking to their children about sex. They don't explain HOW pregnancy happens or about diseases.

So there are literally "stupid" kids that know NOTHING of sex because the parents don't feel comfortable talking about it and feel embarassed or that it is inappropriate to talk about.

HOW ELSE WILL THEY LEARN?????


How do you know that those "60%" of parents didn't talk to their kids? Most likely the kids were just "stupid" and did it anyway.


It was from a survey completed this year asking parents about how they handle talking to kids about sex.

I will have to find it on my home computer, so it will be later this afternoon. It was a very good read.
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
The problem is because when left up to parents, 60% of parents aren't talking to their children about sex. They don't explain HOW pregnancy happens or about diseases.

So there are literally "stupid" kids that know NOTHING of sex because the parents don't feel comfortable talking about it and feel embarassed or that it is inappropriate to talk about.

HOW ELSE WILL THEY LEARN?????


How do you know that those "60%" of parents didn't talk to their kids? Most likely the kids were just "stupid" and did it anyway.


It was from a survey completed this year asking parents about how they handle talking to kids about sex.

I will have to find it on my home computer, so it will be later this afternoon. It was a very good read.


Please tell me that were not relying on a poll for the 60% number...
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
The problem is because when left up to parents, 60% of parents aren't talking to their children about sex. They don't explain HOW pregnancy happens or about diseases.

So there are literally "stupid" kids that know NOTHING of sex because the parents don't feel comfortable talking about it and feel embarassed or that it is inappropriate to talk about.

HOW ELSE WILL THEY LEARN?????


How do you know that those "60%" of parents didn't talk to their kids? Most likely the kids were just "stupid" and did it anyway.


It was from a survey completed this year asking parents about how they handle talking to kids about sex.

I will have to find it on my home computer, so it will be later this afternoon. It was a very good read.


Please tell me that were not relying on a poll for the 60% number...


I can't quote it at this moment, but it was very interesting at the attitudes some parents had about sex.

Seeing the number of teen pregnancies now, the poll results seem to reflect accurately.

You said yourself more teens are pregnant now. It's because they are and because their parents aren't teaching them about it.
After reading some of the recent post here, I am amused , to say the least, that there are some of you who seem to think that suppressing the most powerful drive any living thing has, ie: sex, is just as easy as "they should have kept their legs together". Do you still believe that sex was introduced to the American youth in 1960 to demoralize us ? There is nothing can be said to someone of that persuasion .
Yes, sex education should be taught in school, starting at early ages, and real education- not this " abstinence is the only thing " crap.
Schools exist in order to educate our young people, and that should not stop at reading, writing, arithmetic and SPORTS. An educated and informed public is one of the important things that has made our country great, and to suggest that failing to educate our young people about their own bodies is not a function that our schools should provide is just nuts. It is more important than football, and probably as important as biology, chemistry and a lot of other things they are taught.


Yo, you forgot to mention that McCain has stated that he will NOT back any bill that would use fetal stem cells in research for cures to terrible diseases, thereby showing his lack of compassion for the sick in generations to come.
Clinton and Obama both support stem cell research, as would anybody with good sense.

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