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Ryan’s plan for Medicare is to use premium-support credits for future Medicare (after 2021). The premium support credits will increase as consumer inflation rises, as measured by the consumer price index (CPI).

The Democrats have called this inhumane, cruel the end of Medicare, as we know it.

They don’t mention that the insurance plans will be the same available to Congress and federal employees.

Obamacare calls for new state-based “insurance exchanges” for persons with incomes between 133 and 400 percent of the federal poverty line to be financed with new, federally financed “premium credits.” Sounds like vouchers, or premium support to me. The premium support will increased annual at the CPI rate.

Cruel and inhumane, by the Democrats own definition. Why is Obama plotting the early demise of the poor!
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The Republican plan calls to END MEDICARE. To force seniors to get private insurance plans supplemented with vouchers. Thank goodness for ObamaCare. If this plan goes through seniors will be at the mercy of insurance companies. They will be able to charge them astronomical amounts for a policy and deny them coverage at any time. IT WILL BE DEATH PANELS FOR SENIORS.

Its funny how the Republicans (after losing the Heath Care battle they were fighting for the insurance companies) are now trying to throw seniors to the health insurers with nothing but a voucher. Got to wonder about that.

And ObamaCare doesn't disolve Medicare. And its the Republicans who could give a crap about the poor. They would prefer the poor had NO HEALTH INSURANCE. The Republican plan was "If you get sick, die quickly". Now they want to ensure that that happens with Seniors. They lied about Death Panel and now want to implement that lie.

WHY ARE REPUBLICAN PLOTTING TO KILL OFF SENIORS? I LOVE MY GRANDMA and MY CHILDREN LOVE ME.

I've paid into Medicare all my life and they are not going to pull the rug out from under us now. And they are not going to take my Social Security either.
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Please do, I would love to know how much you make and what businesses you actually run unless that was all a lie.

Still going with the lizards and the new World Order or have you switched over to UFO's and Elvis?


At least I keep with the same screen name. My personal life is none of your F..... business. And, really, I could care less if you believe me or not. I'm not the least bit concerned with your life and I cannot understand why you are so facinated with me. GET A LIFE.
While not exactly about Medicare and being a little out of date (the economy now is really pulling a strong vacuum) this now optimistic graphic shows the problem we are facing: Too few workers supporting too many retirees.


http://www.lesjones.com/2008/0...ents-on-the-decline/

The problem of a graying populace is that spending will go far beyond the average 18% of GDP for the entire budget that the guv'ment has been able to extract from the economy for the past 60 years if the spending trajectory is not changed.



If the problem is not addressed, it won't matter which party is in power. ALPO might have a new Long-Pig flavored dog food.
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At least I keep with the same screen name.


Why didn't you just use the one you had?


LOL, who is stalking who?


I don't know, you seem to want to know an awful lot about me? I assure you I don't feel the same way about you. You don't facinate me in the least. But if you think your intimidating me.....I think you should think again.

My opinions differ from yours, but you don't own or run this forum. And its none of your business who the hell I am. Maybe you should get off this forum for a while and find yourself a REAL LIFE because you sound like you've escaped from a nut house.
LOL, you came on here all puffed up spouting crap and as soon as some other business people asked you questions, you skip out.

I don't care what business you own and since you run off your customers, I doubt you get repeats.

No, this isn't my forum and you can put up any opinions you want but do expect to get comments on them.
YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP! YOU wanted to know who I was and where my business was. You have asked over and over and over.

Exactly, WHAT other question was it that it didn't answer that you wanted answered? And WHO were all these other business people I was talking with. Teyates is the only business person I was conversing with, he was the only person I was really conversing with. Honestly, I don't even recall YOU being part of the conversation other than to spout off an occassional smart azz remark and FURTHER inquire who I was and where my businesses were. You had nothing to add.

If there was something you needed to know other than who I am and where my businesses are, please ask or a cut and paste would work fine.

If you don't like the opinions of people with differnt views maybe you should find a REAL FRIEND.

And I'm sorry if you have a problem that I asked a loud cursing, racist to leave my business, but too bad. Were you the loud, cursing, racist I asked to leave or do you just feel its your place to protect the rights of ALL loud, cursing, racist?

Comments are expected, harrassment is not. I am not going to sit back and allow someone to try to intimidate me because I won't provide them with details of my private life per their request.
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Nope, I asked what size and how many employees and if you provided insurance.


It was another person who asked you the name of the business and you responded with something like you want my SS number too.


Harassment? You said YOU were going to STALK ME!

LOL

Ferril was the other business owner.


YOU JUST ASKED AGAIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO.(twice tonight) Or can you think that far back?
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Please do, I would love to know how much you make and what businesses you actually run unless that was all a lie.__
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As far as the other questions, I ANSWERED THEM. I told you I had a number of small business, mostly part time employees and I had offered an insurance plan but most of my part time employees didn't want to in. The fewer people the higher the rate. It got too expensive. Instead, I have been giving my full time and management employees quartly bonus's to help cover the cost of private insurance.

I hope that adaquetly answered your question. Perhaps, you could read more carefully next time because all of the above is repeated from earlier. The question YOU WANTED ANSWERED that wasn't answered was WHO I WAS and WHERE MY BUSINESSES where. That question, I did not answer because as I have said "its none of your flipping business".

And I said I was stalking you because I was wasn't going to put up with your intimidation. I could care less about you. Sorry.

Ferril has ALWAYS been polite. And he/she KNOWS I have ALWAYS respected their opionions (even if we didn't agree). Neither Ferril or Teyates have been showing their azzes, just you.
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Originally posted by TrueBlue:
The Republican plan calls to END MEDICARE. To force seniors to get private insurance plans supplemented with vouchers. Thank goodness for ObamaCare. If this plan goes through seniors will be at the mercy of insurance companies. They will be able to charge them astronomical amounts for a policy and deny them coverage at any time. IT WILL BE DEATH PANELS FOR SENIORS.

Its funny how the Republicans (after losing the Heath Care battle they were fighting for the insurance companies) are now trying to throw seniors to the health insurers with nothing but a voucher. Got to wonder about that.

And ObamaCare doesn't disolve Medicare. And its the Republicans who could give a crap about the poor. They would prefer the poor had NO HEALTH INSURANCE. The Republican plan was "If you get sick, die quickly". Now they want to ensure that that happens with Seniors. They lied about Death Panel and now want to implement that lie.

WHY ARE REPUBLICAN PLOTTING TO KILL OFF SENIORS? I LOVE MY GRANDMA and MY CHILDREN LOVE ME.

I've paid into Medicare all my life and they are not going to pull the rug out from under us now. And they are not going to take my Social Security either.


Like most lefties, devoid of logic and lacking in reading comprehension, or comprehension of reality, in general!

Both Obamacare and Ryan's plan use the same method for providing care some forms of care. Both use the same method of paying the insurance companies. Both use the CPI as a measure to increase the cost of paying the plans annually.

As to insurance companies making the plans more expensive than the insured can pay -- IAW, the insurance companies plan to price themselves out of existence! Return to reality!

One major medicare cost driver is fraud. Government if incompetent in detecting fraud. Insurance companies detect fraud better.

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