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If It Wasn’t Syria, It Would Have Been Something Else

 

"It is very possible that the president will not obtain a joint authorization to bomb Syria; if he chooses to go ahead and attack anyway, Obama will incite a constitutional crisis—the first time in history that a president has decided to go to war against the declared wishes of Congress. The public and the courts will adjudicate the legality of that act, and it would be contentious.  

 

So the corner that Obama has painted himself into is now inescapable. Defying Congress will put the country into a Watergate/Monicagate mess. Not doing anything will confirm the administration’s impotence and only enhance Russia, Iran, Assad, China, Islamists, and almost anyone else who does not like the U.S. Doing something small, with or without congressional approval, will be looked upon as a cynical waste of human lives to restore Obama’s credibility, the sort of craven, immoral political act that a younger Obama made a career out of mocking. Doing something big will invite public and global outrage if only moderately successful, and doom the Obama presidency if unsuccessful. 

 

How did Obama get himself into this mess? It was bound to happen, given his past habits. All we are seeing now is the melodramatic fulfillment of vero possumus, lowering the rising seas, faux Corinthian columns, hope and change, the bows, the Cairo speech, and the audacity of hope. Hubris does earn Nemesis.

 

1) His inclination is to **** straw men, blame others for his self-inflicted errors, and spike the ball when he should keep quiet and become modest (cf. the bin Laden raid). So in Syria we heard the same old, same old: A host of bad guys, here and abroad, wants to do nothing. Obama alone has the vision and moral compass to restore global and U.S. credibility through his eloquence; but the world disappointed him and is now at fault for establishing red lines that it won’t enforce: He came into the world to save the world, but the world rejected him.

 

After five years of this, the world caught on, and sees juvenile and narcissistic petulance in lieu of statesmanship—and unfortunately a sinister Putin takes great delight in reminding 7 billion people of this fact almost daily. In terms of geostrategic clout, Obama has nullified the power of his eleven aircraft-carrier battle groups, Putin through his shrewd insight and ruthless calculation of human nature, has added five where they didn’t exist.

 

2)  Obama thinks in an untrained manner and for all the talk of erudition and education seems bored and distracted—and it shows up in the most critical moments. Had he wished to stop authoritarians, prevent bloodshed and near genocide, and foster true reform in the Middle East, there were plenty of prior, but now blown occasions: a) the “good” war in Afghanistan could have earned his full attention; b) the “bad” Iraq War was won and needed only a residual force to monitor the Maliki government and protect Iraq airspace and ensure quiet; c) the green revolution in Iran was in need of moral support; d) Qaddafi could have been continually pressured for further reform rather than bombed into oblivion; e) postwar Libya needed U.S. leadership to ensure that “lead from behind” did not lead to the present version of Somalia and the disaster in Benghazi; e) long ago, the president could have either kept quiet about Syria or acted on his threats when Assad was tottering and the resistance was less Islamist; f) he could have warned the one vote/one time Muslim Brotherhood early on not to do what everyone in the world knew it would surely do; g) he need not have issued tough serial deadlines to Iran that we have not really enforced and probably have no intention of enforcing.

 

Instead, Obama relied on his rhetoric and talked loosely, sloppily and inconsistently from crisis to crisis, the only common denominator being that he always took the path of least resistance and thus did nothing concretely to match his cadences. Usually to the degree he made a decision, he made things worse with empty, first-person bombast.

 

3) Obama cannot attract top talent. Those from prior administrations who are gifted and worked for him or who were promoted by him—Robert Gates, David Petraeus, Paul Volcker, Richard Holbrooke, James Mattis, Stanley McChrystal—either were treated badly, not fully utilized, or ended up regretting their experience. Instead a host of mediocrities are recruited on the basis of either their partisanship, loyalty or demonstrated past lightness—an Eric Holder, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, Timothy Geithner, Chuck Hagel, etc. "

 

more at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-victor-davis-hanson

 

To narcisstic and petulant, I'd add incompetent, inept and thinly educated.

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The man is a walking Potemkin village, an excellent example of the Peter Principle.  That he only uses 2nd and third rate personnel reflects that he knows his own inadequacies.  Man should be a dean of a legal department or political science department at a liberal, ivy league college, where the damage would be localized. 

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Ah, the Peter Principal...why many of us do so well. Actually, I think Obama probably reached that status while a U.S. Senator.

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You are too kind.  Can't think of a thing he did of importance as a US senator.  Perhaps, as a state senator in Illinois, he reached his level of competency.

What is Obama's objective once the fireworks start  -- spank the Syrians, degrade the regime, destroy the regime, kill Assad?  If, less than severe, we will be seen as the weak horse and encourage our enemies and opponents.  After the drones, the Syrian government will do like the terrorists in Lebanon after a Israeli response.  They will visit every hospital and morgue in the country, take the bodies of women and children.  Then, present them as collateral damage from the evil Americans. 

Kerry Builds Alliance

 

"PARIS — Secretary of State John F. Kerry declared here Saturday that he is winning international support for the US effort to launch strikes against Syria, an announcement that underscored his growing role as the administration’s chief salesman for military action.

 

“We have a movement,” Kerry said about an international coalition for taking action to punish Syria for allegedly using chemical weapons on its own people. “There is a building element of support.”

Kerry also said that countries “in the double digits” are prepared to join the United States and France in taking military action, although he did not name those countries."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/new...PP186IJcP/story.html

 

When asked for a list, Kerry stated he didn't bring it with him. 

 

However, a bit of research discovered a partial list of Obama's allies -- Lower Slobbovia, the Grand Duchy of Fenwick, the Hakawis, and Fredonia.  Yes, Fredonia is going to war.  

 

Asking not to be named as a source, another ally stated about Obama and Kerry, "The smell of desperation is great with them."

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Kerry Builds Alliance

 

"PARIS — Secretary of State John F. Kerry declared here Saturday that he is winning international support for the US effort to launch strikes against Syria, an announcement that underscored his growing role as the administration’s chief salesman for military action.

 

“We have a movement,” Kerry said about an international coalition for taking action to punish Syria for allegedly using chemical weapons on its own people. “There is a building element of support.”

Kerry also said that countries “in the double digits” are prepared to join the United States and France in taking military action, although he did not name those countries."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/new...PP186IJcP/story.html

 

When asked for a list, Kerry stated he didn't bring it with him. 

 

However, a bit of research discovered a partial list of Obama's allies -- Lower Slobbovia, the Grand Duchy of Fenwick, the Hakawis, and Fredonia.  Yes, Fredonia is going to war.  

 

Asking not to be named as a source, another ally stated about Obama and Kerry, "The smell of desperation is great with them."

 

I was sure the Republic of Elbonia would have joined us by now.

It appears that Kerry may have added his own gift of confusion:

push alternative to Syria strike

President Obama's "Plan A" for a military strike on Syria could be in danger just one day before he makes his case to the American people as Russia, the U.N. and some in Congress push for a newly emerging "Plan B." 

Gaining traction is a push to compel the Assad regime to turn over its chemical weapons. 

The idea caught fire unexpectedly on Monday after Secretary of State John Kerry made an off-hand comment that Syria could resolve the stand-off by relinquishing its chemical weapons within a week. Kerry claimed that Assad "isn't about to do it" -- and an aide suggested the secretary was not being serious. 

But within hours, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow would push Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control. 

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and British Prime Minister David Cameron also reportedly indicated support for the plan. And a pair of U.S. senators is already pushing an alternative resolution in Congress that would achieve similar goals. 

 
 
The probable outcome will be months of debate in the UN and Congress while Russian heavy lift transports fly into Damascus, with humanitarian aid of course. Those aircraft will fly off to Iran for a stopover, for refueling of course. Also during that time, some of that humanitarian aid will flow to the Bekaa Valley in lebanon by large humanitarian convoys. The UN will finally be able to send in inspectors and Blue Helmets and only find a few old leaking or misplaced munitions. International result: Obama lied.
 
Never had that happen before!
 

 

 

Looks like to me President Obama just made an awesome move. He pushed for a military strike, then sent it to Congress to vote on, sent Kerry all over the place to talk to allies, and suddenly Assad is all over the news trying to convince the world he is not at fault. Then Russia is at the table and is talking about working with the US and the UN to secure the chemical weapons in Syria.

 

President Obama never wanted to get involved with the Syrian war, but chemical warfare has to be addressed and he did the right thing. Now that he has spoke out and is pushing hard they are all for diplomatic talks and hopefully Syria will turn over their chemical weapons to the international community. Would this have happened had the President not came out strong and ask Congress to vote on a strike? I doubt it. Is the President about to get what he wanted all along, without firing a shot? Its looking that way. 

 

 

 

I'm sure you all disagree...

 

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Looks like to me President Obama just made an awesome move. He pushed for a military strike, then sent it to Congress to vote on, sent Kerry all over the place to talk to allies, and suddenly Assad is all over the news trying to convince the world he is not at fault. Then Russia is at the table and is talking about working with the US and the UN to secure the chemical weapons in Syria.

 

President Obama never wanted to get involved with the Syrian war, but chemical warfare has to be addressed and he did the right thing. Now that he has spoke out and is pushing hard they are all for diplomatic talks and hopefully Syria will turn over their chemical weapons to the international community. Would this have happened had the President not came out strong and ask Congress to vote on a strike? I doubt it. Is the President about to get what he wanted all along, without firing a shot? Its looking that way. 

 

 

 

I'm sure you all disagree...

 

 

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Yes, yes we do!

I would say he is lucky this has evolved as it has.  There was not grand plan for it to end this way.  In fact, Kerry and his aids said after his original statement about Syria turning over their chemical weapons that it was not really an 'offer,' but more of an off the cuff remark.  Russia saw it as a way to de-escalate the situation and approached Syria (from my understanding) with the prospect. 

 

Syria is all for it - by the time the specifics get hammered out and inspectors get onsite, he has plenty of time to move things around and protect his assets.  Syria sure was talking big about the consequences if the US attacked - funny how such a small country with such a small military (according to Obama) has the cahoonas to make such a threat against the US.  Reckon the indecisiveness of the current administration has anything to do with that?

 

 

I doubt luck had anything to do with it. President Obama didn't just dream this stuff up all by himself. This has been an on going plan. 

 

As I said in another thread about the Kerry statement, I am certain that he said nothing that had not been decided on before hand. Of course it is said in an off the cuff manner. Its like bait. Dangle it out there and Russia took it hook, line and sinker. 

 

How many small armies have threatened the US in our history? Saddam Hussein made all kinds of saber rattling threats in the face of US military strikes. This is nothing new. As the President said in an interview earlier today, Assad and his army might be a threat to the Rebels, but not to the US military. Assad knows that too. He is the one trying to not look weak. He is fighting a war in his own country. He can't afford to look weak. We know our power. The US military is no joke.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

BTW - why not move forward with the vote - put some teeth in the threat in case Syria doesn't follow through.

 

Unless, of course, you don't have the support on Congress and don't want that on the record......

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The debate and vote are not off the table. President Obama will be meeting with both Democrats and Republican tomorrow. There will be a vote. Just not by Wednesday as had been speculated. President Obama said today that it didn't matter if the strike against Syria was next week or next month. Reid said they would take their time and get it right. Congress has not had a chance to see all the evidence yet. I believe this is all part of the plan. Drag it out with the threat still very real and imminent. Keeping Assad at the table. 

Assad gets to keep the rest of his military establishment intact, while the UN plan goes about its regular snail pace.  Remember their record in Iraq, which had no civil war brewing.

 

As to threats, did you listen to what Assad stated!  He inferred that the threat would come from many sources, not a direct military confrontation.

 

Surely, you've read the threats made to our diplomatic establishments abroad.  The jehadim including the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, Hezbo-Allah, Hamas and others have supported their participation, which could include operations in the US.  Then, there's the Persians, with their own established sabotage program and threats to Israel.  I refer to the people of Iran as Persians as that is what they refer to themselves.  I know a few over here who are refugees from the present regime. Certainly wouldn't use the racist term 'Iranians."   

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Looks like to me President Obama just made an awesome move. He pushed for a military strike, then sent it to Congress to vote on, sent Kerry all over the place to talk to allies, and suddenly Assad is all over the news trying to convince the world he is not at fault. Then Russia is at the table and is talking about working with the US and the UN to secure the chemical weapons in Syria.

 

President Obama never wanted to get involved with the Syrian war, but chemical warfare has to be addressed and he did the right thing. Now that he has spoke out and is pushing hard they are all for diplomatic talks and hopefully Syria will turn over their chemical weapons to the international community. Would this have happened had the President not came out strong and ask Congress to vote on a strike? I doubt it. Is the President about to get what he wanted all along, without firing a shot? Its looking that way. 

 

 

 

I'm sure you all disagree...

 

 

Umm...Yeah...(laughing uncontrollably)...

Sure...(more laughs)

 

Must really SUCK having to post your ignorance for ALL to see, Jank?

 

Doesn't it seem a little strange to you...on second thought, guess not...Huh!  from Putin calling John Kerry a liar last week to “partnering for peace” with the United States the next.

 

Putin aint stupid. He sees Obama as ignorant and cowardly…an idiot.And he’s taken advantage of that expertly.

He has stepped in an virtually  "booted" the US out of the region.

 

Who would have ever thought the White House would out-source 3 a.m. phone calls to the KREMLIN.

 

Guess Obama can now cease changing underwear every 2 hours.

 

It's dumb klucks like YOU voted this disaster back in...AGAIN?

 

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

BTW - why not move forward with the vote - put some teeth in the threat in case Syria doesn't follow through.

 

Unless, of course, you don't have the support on Congress and don't want that on the record......

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The debate and vote are not off the table. President Obama will be meeting with both Democrats and Republican tomorrow. There will be a vote. Just not by Wednesday as had been speculated. President Obama said today that it didn't matter if the strike against Syria was next week or next month. Reid said they would take their time and get it right. Congress has not had a chance to see all the evidence yet. I believe this is all part of the plan. Drag it out with the threat still very real and imminent. Keeping Assad at the table. 

 

Chances of a vote seem to be slimmer and slimmer -

 

 Tough Hill vote on Syria fades

 

Congress can breathe a sigh of relief: Lawmakers won’t have to take a tough  vote on authorizing the use of military force in Syria anytime soon.

 

The preliminary agreement between the United States and Russia on turning  over Syria’s chemical weapons by mid-2014 sets a deadline of November of this  year for international inspectors to enter the Middle Eastern country.

 

The delay will allow Capitol Hill to pivot from an unpopular decision on  military strikes — which many members in both parties opposed.......

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/...6.html#ixzz2eyWp0CLQ

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