Obama uses third-graders at gay/lesbian event.

Oh how sweet, they want obama to make it harder for "bad guys" to get guns. Don't we all, but that's not what he's interested in doing. 

While I have no interest in who consenting adults do with their plumbing, little kids are another thing, entirely.  This smacks of early indoctrination at best, and pervy activity at best.  Progressives, are you NAMBLA supporters, charter members of Pervs-R-US, or just disgusted.

What exactly is being indoctrinated here?  On the guns..if they feel that way after they see that kids were gunned down are they not allowed to say it?  They wrote to him, he didn't come make them speak.  Now that would be wrong to make them say that, but they wrote to him.  On the gay marriage part...did you hear them say they have two moms and want the President to make it okay for them to marry?  this affects their lives and they love their moms...how is he indoctrinating them with this?  

And as for plumbing? Your insinuations are incorrect and frankly disgusting.  This has nothing to do with NAMBLA and if you bothered to learn about the topic you would already know it.  Nice talking points, but not true.  This was two kids who really do care about the topic from their own lives, and you pulled those imaginary associations from your own head.  The only one talking about "pervy" things and thinking about adults and kids in inappropriate ways is you, not them or the President.  

You don't like him, fine, and I sure don't agree with everything he does, but this was not indoctrination and there was nothing sick about it.

no dignity required.

On the guns..if they feel that way after they see that kids were gunned down are they not allowed to say it?

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What did I post? Where did I say they weren't allowed to say it or shouldn't say it? What I posted was that was not what obama was interested in doing. BTW, have they been told about the babies murdered in abortion clinics? Have their moms told them about the babies gosnell and others have murdered so they can ask obama to do something about the bad people doing things like that? Doesn't seem like it now does it?  They've already been indoctrinated, now they're being exploited.

NO froggie, using little kids to showcase your political agenda, especially of this sort is just plain wrong.  First heard about NAMBLA in the sixties when I read the New Republic to see how the other side (liberals) were doing.  Obviously, I've known about them for decades.  You can hawk that story somewhere else, it doesn't fly with me.  Trying to say I'm interested in children in that manner is an old nasty leftie trick. Learn a few new ones, Alinsky's getting old.

What does NAMBLA have to do with this?

Frog is right, Dire you are sick and twisted to go there with about these little girls. LBGT does not in anyway equal NAMBLA. NAMBLA is not a part of the Democratic platform anymore than it is the Repubulican platform. They are sick and disgusting group and I wish they would all be rounded up and a bullet put in their heads. To say they are a group supported by Democrats is complete BS and you know it.

I applaud these two little girls and their parents for standing up and demanding their rights as Americans. They want for their family the same things all children want. They want to be treated with respect and equality. They wrote to the President and ask him to do things that mattered to them

Making this into something dirty and sick is all in your own heads and really shines a light on what kind of morals and perversions you got going on.

Jank,

Sorry, but I've had decades of experience reading liberal publications.  These type groups were always a cause celebre for the liberals and the left.  Allen Ginsberg used to be one of their great supporters.  Yes, I know some LGBT types have been against them -- more power to the ones that are.  Again, an old leftie trick, blame your opposition with what they oppose.  Anti-gay becomes homophobes  (which psychiatrists state doesn't exist) -- classic Saul Alinsky. Get a new playbook.  

 Again, what adults do fine.  Don't drag the kids in for public display.  Don't care if its left, or right, leave the kids out of it.  Their innocence will pass soon enough.

Dire, I am surprised that you have this much hatred for Democrats that you would make such sick accusations aimed at us as a whole. Ginsberg was not a Democrat. He was a Communist. Regardless of his political leanings he does not represent liberals. No more than Pat Roberson represents conservatives.

You are whats wrong with this country today. You and others like you. These little girls are meeting the President on a day set aside to celebrate the accomplishments of the LBGT community. A community that they are a part of. They have 2 moms and they are happy about that. There is nothing sick or disgusting about a happy family. To make this into a comparison to pedophilia is about as low as you can get.

Your hatred and bigotry are the only perversions I see in this thread. For a man who seems to think he knows it all, and has seen it all, even believes he knows more about military command than 4 star Generals, you know absolutely nothing about LBGT families.

We as a nation do need to protect children, sadly we have to protect children from grown ups that can't understand the difference between consenting adults in a loving relationship, and child molesters and their victims. If you don't understand the difference then we should protect them from you too.

Jank,

First, don't put words in my mouth I didn't say.  I addressed Progressives, not Democrats.  I have little hatred for any but the most monstrous of persons.  I've worked with several and even hired at least one person who would meet the LBGT description.  However, go ahead and continue you attacks if it makes you feel better about yourself. It shall not affect me.  As to the 4 star general remark, no, I know investigative technique.  And, something smells in the manner a couple of government scandals have been described by members of this administration..  Feel free to remain in the position of ignoring this and tucking head in the sand.  Withholding witnesses and documents usually means there's something hidden.

Now you want to back away from it.

You posted your sick comparison of NAMBLA and the LBGT pride day at the WH with President Obama, then went on to say that the left, liberals, and progressives support NAMBLA. Now you want me to believe you were not referring to Democrats?

Typical right wing, conservative double talk.

dire you are no match for jank. Give it up.

Jank,

I posted based on experience viewing these movements.  First, Allen Ginsberg was a favorite of the left, they supported his poetry and flocked to his readings.  He was gay and a big supporter of NAMBLA.  Next, I lived in Atlanta for about 34 years.  During that time, the Gay Pride parade grew in downtown Atlanta.  Colorful bunch, a movable carnival, from what I saw from the TV and my office window. NAMBLA was a participant in many of those parades, but I can't speak from first hand experience beyond what I viewed from the sidelines.  Sit down with dogs, get up with fleas.

After 40 years as an auditor, I've been called (behind my back and to my face) about every insult imaginable.  Go ahead, feel free to let loose, I've heard them all and could probably think of a few you couldn't.  Like water off a duck's back, I believe the phrase goes.

dire the word 'auditor' has broad meaning, you admitted at one time that you were the cover-up guy to protect wealthy clients from getting caught stealing. That is repub as you can get. It shows.

You know, painting groups with a broad brush and assuming things that aren't true of all of the group happens all around.  All conservatives aren't cruel and clueless, just as all liberals aren't all the names they are called on here and other places.  Assuming all are the stereotypes keeps us all from having rational and respectful conversations.  

So you knew a guy on the "left" who was supporting NAMBLA?  So?  I could name guys on the right who do as well.  There are some horrible people who show up at right-wing events, too, and I know for a fact many right-leaning people who do some horrible things behind closed doors.  Does that mean all are horrible?  No.  Does that mean the Gay Pride Parade supports NAMBLA?  Of course not, and if you think so you need to educate yourself.

And anyone who thinks this administration is so evil and the others, including Republican ones, are pristine is hopelessly and willfully blind.  Evil deeds are done by people, not parties, and people on all sides of the aisle since politics began have hidden things and done things that are wrong.  It's like saying Democrats cheat on elections.  How silly that is when other the decades obviously people in all parties have crossed lines of ethics and legality.  

Making this President out to be all the things he is accused of is hilarious and says a lot about those who fling accusations 24/7.  Of course there are things that aren't open and maybe even right going on.  But you think no President ever attended anything where kids spoke before?  No President ever did this or that he is accused of before?  Every single Presidency has had scandals, and some were just mud thrown to hurt politically and some were true.  ALL administrations can be included, and characterizing Democrats as all on food stamps and lazy or all Republicans as heartless and greedy is just ignorant.  Perhaps a person has only met a few of one group or another so thinks it applies to all, but it doesn't.  Some atheists are obnoxious and some are loving and kind, and some Muslims are the same..some awful, some wonderful.  Same goes for Christians and political groups.  I hate to tell you this, but there are supposedly upstanding, religious, educated men who do horrible things to kids, so it isn't about your political party.  

This President has done some great (in my opinion) things and some things I think are horrible, but letting two little girls say they would like their two moms to be able to get married isn't one of them in my view.  But you know, even if I thought it were I wouldn't be calling it sick and bringing NAMBLA into the conversation, calling people "pervy" and so forth.  That says more about the person posting than anyone involved in this news story.  You don't agree with it?  Fine.  I don't agree with a lot of things all the politicians do, but that doesn't mean I always know their motivations or that everyone who disagrees with me is a sheep or unenlightened.  

And you know, it is possible to have conversations where we all acknowledge we just don't happen to agree on all topics without calling names.  Once we do that the conversation leaves and the nastiness begins.

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I have only stated the obvious.

To link NAMBLA with these 2 little girls is just wrong. Its goes beyond your dislike for the party and really shows me (and others) what really goes on in your head.

You tried to turn something good into something sick. You used these two innocent little girls to make your twisted point. What the President did by letting them be a part of a day that has a real impact on their lives was not wrong or pervy. These children are being raised by 2 moms that they want to see married with the same rights as all other Americans. How are they being indoctrinated? You have yet to answer that question.

Great post Frog!

Well frog, start with yourself and stop insinuating someone meant something when they meant nothing of the kind, such as my comment that obama wasn't interested in making it harder for the "bad guys" to get guns, when said statement had nothing to do with whether or not the kids should have said what they did. 

Why were these kids so special? Has he ever spoken to kids who saw those kids gunned down and asked why they couldn't have the police or someone to protect them while they're in school? Has he ever met with kids that don't like the idea of abortion? 

The left's idea of fair, and a good discussion, is this story right here. As long as it was two little girls pushing his agenda he was fine with it and eager to meet with them. He wouldn't have been within 50 miles of them if they'd been at a pro-gun or pro-life rally. But hey, again, that's the left's idea of "fair".

Best, I wasn't talking just about your gun comment really at all.  I was talking about them commenting on it because that is how they felt and some I have seen commenting other places about that part of the kids' comments.  I didn't say anything about you.  

Your post shows exactly what I am talking about.  You couldn't have written any better to show exactly what I was referring to in my comments.  You have no idea who he talked to, whether they wrote him and someone showed the letter to him and it touched him, whether some aides picked them out, or whatever the story is.  You have no idea if he talked to kids who came up to him and told him they hate abortion or anything else about it.  Even if he came out and said all the things you like to hear you wouldn't like it because he is the "left" and that awful president.  Do you honestly think that all over presidents, including Republican ones, haven't talked to kids and been moved by what they say?  That no children have ever said what they think or what their parents think before when a President came to town?  That all politicians get out the stories that reflect their beliefs?

It amazes me how suddenly when Mr. Obama came into view all previous politicians became wonderful people who never made mistakes and who never did anything for political reasons according to those who continuously blast Mr. Obama for every single thing he does.  I have seen kids around all presidents I can remember and heard them speak out before, but suddenly it is sick and evil when this one does it.  It's called politics...and who better to ask for gay marriage rights than two girls who live with discrimination every day?

Your last paragraph speaks for itself.  It's all about the evil, clueless, mean, awful, hypocritical left.   The right never, ever does anything wrong?  Come on...they are all human and make mistakes, and I have seen you say this over and over and over.  All liberals, all "lefties" aren't awful or evil or stupid, just as all "righties" aren't either.  Some people are a**es on all sides and some will argue party line and bash the opposition just because they hate them no matter what they do.  Look at Congress...it is shameful what they have been doing to this country.  I'm not getting into what side, but in general.  Ugh...it isn't about right and left...that simply plays into the goal of getting people so distracted they miss the important things going on.  We just have different life experiences and education and see things differently from others...we all do.  It doesn't mean we can't talk without calling names.  Really.

I was the one that mentioned what the kids said about guns, and again, no where did I say they shouldn't have said what they did,  No one else mentioned it on this thread, and if you meant someone somewhere else why didn't you make that clear in your post, OR after my post to you? I have the "idea" that he hasn't given one second to kids that oppose his agenda, and media has certainly never covered it if he did. He's supposed to be everyone's president, if he was he'd act like it, so far he hasn't. 

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Your last paragraph speaks for itself.  It's all about the evil, clueless, mean, awful, hypocritical left.   The right never, ever does anything wrong?  Come on...they are all human and make mistakes, and I have seen you say this over and over and over.  All liberals, all "lefties" aren't awful or evil or stupid, just as all "righties" aren't either.  Some people are a**es on all sides and some will argue party line and bash the opposition just because they hate them no matter what they do.

Democrats do nothing but lie about, and run down republicans. I don't "bash" them because I hate them, I bash them for their policies that are ruining this country, their hypocritical practices, and again, their lies. When the right does something I don't agree with I don't support them, and I certainly don't LIE about it and say they didn't do something or try to paint a pretty face on it. Long before you, I have said over and over it goes both ways, but your pals on the left call that saying "so's yer old man". In other words they don't want to hear about their failures when they're busy yapping about the right. I have even, gasp, pointed out to bill that something he was blaming on obama had nothing to do with him. As I told bill then, obama does plenty of things to show he has no business being in office without making things up, or blaming him for things he didn't do.  Get off your high horse and pay a bit of attention to what people actually post, and get back to me when you give your little "can't we all get along speech" to the democrats on here

Frog, this is why we can't have real discussions on the politics section of the forum.

I agree that both sides do things for political gain and in their own best interest. I don't agree 100% with our President. Matter of fact I take issue with many things he has done.

Helping LBGT families is not one of them.

There has always been debate and difference of opinion in politics. However, since President Obama took office I have never in my life seen so much anger and hostility. As you said they have all done things that we Americans might not like or agree with, but now suddenly he is the devil himself for doing no more or worse than any other President.

Why do you think that is?

I really appreciate you making my point again for me.  If you read my posts, I didn't speak just to any one group and I made that clear.  I have no high horse and I was talking to all of us and anyone else who happened along.  I do pay attention to what people post and was talking about the gun comments in general and not yours.  Why are you so angry at only one group when all groups have obnoxious and hypocritical people and people who are actually pretty decent?  My point was simply that when all of us can talk without segregating everyone into "them" and "us" and right and wrong we might learn from each other and start solving problems together instead of arguing and name-calling.

Why do you think it is jank? I know exactly why it is.

Indoctrinated? Exploited? The right to sing his little song if that's the way he feels? Well then, why are people upset??  Children should never be used to push adults agendas.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lo...d-don-135427889.html

FWIW, I don't approve of this exploitation of children, either.  You've got to be carefully taught to hate!