Obama vowed not to rest until....

Yeah good ol' swiftboating journalism of CNS News.   The same respected "news" organization that questioned the validity of war hero John Murtha's purple hearts when he dared question the Iraq war. 

Here is a link where politifact debunks a story that this respected "news" organization reported.   http://www.politifact.com/personalities/cnsnews/

Post a respectable source Captain and maybe people will take your paranoid, misinformed ramblings a bit seriously.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama did some cherry-picking Tuesday night in defense of his record on jobs and laid out a conditional path to citizenship for illegal immigrants that may be less onerous than he made it sound.

A look at some of the claims in his State of the Union speech, a glance at the Republican counterargument and how they fit with the facts:

OBAMA: "After years of grueling recession, our businesses have created over 6 million new jobs."

THE FACTS: That's in the ballpark, as far as it goes. But Obama starts his count not when he took office, but from the point in his first term when job losses were the highest. In doing so, he ignores the 5 million or so jobs that were lost on his watch, up to that point.

Private sector jobs have grown by 6.1 million since February 2010. But since he became president, the gain is a more modest 1.9 million.

And when losses in public sector employment are added to the mix, his overall jobs record is a gain of 1.2 million.

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-che...54575--politics.html

Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Dina Cappiello, Andrew Taylor, Christopher S. Rugaber, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Alicia A. Caldwell and Philip Elliott contributed to this report.

I will take 1.2 million growth considering the previous administration.   Regardless, 6.1 since 2010 shows a huge upswing.   Kudos President Obama.  

Monkey, the truth hurts doesn't it ?  It must suck being a liberal wacko constantly in defense of this sorry, immoral administration.

Wacko?   Best posted the fact check.  Not me.  Must be upsetting to be so stupid and believe all those lunatic fringe emails and websites like CNS News 

Fine, take it and don't question why he LIES about it. How many jobs were lost while those 1.2 were created? How many of those are/were part time jobs and still counted as "new hires", yet not counted when they ended? Such as the census workers. How many of those were "hired" yet never worked or got paid for more than a day, and in some cases an hour, and aren't counted on the unemployment roll?  Ah I know, we're not supposed to question that.

Best, here is the truth on politics.   The right will say something, the left will say something.   The will each have their own set of numbers and ideas how those numbers come about but in reality, the truth will be somewhere in between.  Which is EXACTLY what your fact check showed.   Nevermind that what the Republicans say about his job creations numbers are skewed and wrong, only that the lefts version is also skewed and wrong.   

I will take 1.2 million job growth anyday.   And 6.1 million over 2 years is wonderful.

Once more some anklebiting wing nuts embarrass themselves with shallow, irrelevant sniping at the President!

It's not the republicans saying it MU. I did a bit of looking when his claims weren't living up to what I see every day. I found the labor dept website, it explains how they list jobs. ANY job, be it for an hour, a week, a day, is considered a "job added". Then when those jobs end, there are no unemployment claims. That's deceptive, but the way it's done. Then I searched for census workers and found their information. Many were hired and never got one day of pay, but they are listed as "new hires or new jobs added" by the labor dept, and since they are part time there was no adding them to the unemployment roll.  My problem is with obama lying about jobs he "created" when those jobs don't exist.

So you mean the same way they were counted when Bush was in office and they counted those jobs too, suddenly bothers you?   Bravo, detective, bravo!

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What bothers me is the high unemployment rate, the people who have no jobs or hopes of a job, and the democrats LYING, basically ****ing on our backs and telling us it's only rain. I know that during Bush's administration people had jobs, and small businessess were doing well. No matter who was getting the "credit" they were there. I know the claims of the large number of job losses under Bush were lies, the claims of the huge numbers of jobs gained under obama is a lie.

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Barak has never worked in the real word and ran a business. His speech last night made that blatantly obvious with all his fairy tales about govt programs fixing everything. The most comical was his move to raise the minimum wage. First of all, only 1.8m people make minimum wage. Second, the vast majority of people making minimum wage are under the age of 25(college kids and high school kids). Roughly 2% of people filing as head of household make minimum wage. 

Just put this into perspective and try to follow along -  You have small business owner, maybe owns a fast food place or small shop.  He has 10 full time employees making minimum wage.  Jumping up to $9.00 hr will cost him $36,400 more a year in labor costs.  He is now paying $187,200 annually in labor versus $150,800.  His labor cost alone now increased 24.14%.  The likely hood that he is personally going to take a $36,400 pay cut and just absorb the hit is basically 0%, would you?  He can raise prices and risk losing part of his customer base or he can lay off employees to keep his labor costs the same and become more efficient.  

He will likely lay off 2 employees and now run off 8 employees at $9.00 an hour and his annual labor costs would be $149,760 putting him around $1000 of his old costs but with 2 fewer people.

Here is where it gets very interesting.  All of his suppliers/vendors are fighting the same battle.  So he will now either get hit with cost increases on the products side or a lower quality product.  He has to make more decisions now about increasing his price or laying of more workers because his vendors raised the price to him to help offset their increased cost from both minimum wage and the ACA.

This is how increasing the minimum wage hurts the lower class and kills jobs. Forcing people to overpay for labor or any good/service is not the answer.

This is the most basic economics argument there is.  Should we or shouldn't we raise the minimum wage.   You will find it seems people are split about 50/50 on this.   I personally do not like it and think it should stay where it is.   But both sides make compelling arguments.  I remember I had an Economics Professor who went on a 10 minute tirade about why we shouldn't raise it, then spent about 10 minutes on a tirade saying we should.   It was an interesting exercise.

The best way to raise wages is to get more people back to work then competition for labor will raise wages naturally. Back in '06-'07 the BK on Florence Blvd had a sign in their window offering $9 an hour to flip burgers. Why is that? Unemployment was below 5% then. I'm not sure what minimum wage was then but I know it was well below the $9 that Barak wants to increase it to.

Let's be fair.  Bush increased MW three times in 70 cent increments.   It's an easy thing for a President to do.  Makes them seem like they are looking out for the poorest of constituents.  I tend to agree with you that raising minimum wage has a minimal effect or a negative one at worst.

Correction:  I think Bush only raised it twice. 

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Probably not a bad number for a democrat but would not be acceptable to a Republican. What would be a failure to a Republican is wonderful for a democrat. Plus the Republican wouldn’t lie about it like this POTUS.

Nah, Jobe Bush lied about the same thing.  He claimed the same types of job creation when giving his job numbers because that's the way the jobs are counted by the Department of Labor. 

Argue with the labor dept. Republicans aren't the ones that control it. Again, when Bush was in office  people had jobs, small businesses were thriving, and there was no reason to LIE about it like obama does. Funny-if we're in such good shape, to let the dems tell it, why is everything you see and hear geared towards how to survive this bad economy and the no jobs situation? Even the lefties are talking about how bad off we are, trying to make excuses, but now they can't  falsely blame it on Bush like they used to do-don't that just chap your hide. I have an idea, instead of the dems LYING about job growth, why don't they actually do something about it. I know, I know, dems not lying and actually doing something constructive is a silly thought.

A friend of mine, whom has since passed, would always argue the same thing about Bush.  He would say "Bush has created nothing but minimum wage jobs!"   And as much as I disliked Bush, I always said "he can't win for losing."   To see you argue about the same is hilarious.   No need to lie about it lol.   The economy was terrible under Bush, the recession started in his second term.   He had a net gain of 1 million jobs during his presidency and that counts the same types of jobs that Obama counts.   He did lose about 4 million right toward the end when the recession hit, but still kept a positive gain. 

Under Bush' second term the unemployment rate grew substantially.   http://metricmash.com/unemploy...1&political=true

But if you can show some hard proof that he was so great for small businesses, aside from a right wing blog, I'd love to see it.  

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My hard proof is our own business and all the businesses we deal and dealt with. My proof are all the businesses closing every day all over the country. My proof is people all over the country being laid off and unable to find a job. So many have gone under-under obama. And not fly by night businesses either.  My proof is knowing that during Bush's terms anyone that wanted a job could find one. I don't do blogs, unless what they post can be backed up by a repu ta ble site or government site. The ones that twist information, leave out information, and outright lie, in other words the lefty sites, I leave to you dems to try to pass off as proof or the truth.  I go after the facts, the way I was doing when I read the dept of labor site. Maybe YOU should dig for the truth, might "learn yourself" something.

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funny thing, i've been in a family run business for the past 25+ years and i could tell you the EXACT opposite story. show you how horrible it was under "W". and the people that i deal with are not just surviving now, but making good money, again!

Yeah Crash, I could say the same thing.  I have a good bit of friends who had to close up shop when Bush was in office.   Was it strictly Bush' fault?  Probably not, but I am sure it was some of his fault.   I hear all the time how great things were during Reagan.   My dad owned his own business for over 30 years, and he always said the toughest time he ever had was during Reagan.    So for Best to say her own experience is hard proof... maybe to some degree, but it is not full proof that Bush was great for small businesses or that they thrived during that time, especially when we both know many who closed during that time.  

Just more bloviation from Best.

 I’ll take the Bush economy over this President’s economy.  Who in their right mind wouldn’t?

You must have forgotten the 5 million jobs lost in the second term of Bush.   But that's ok.  I can tell you have a fairly selective memory.

Crash, most car washes are thriving, glad yours is doing well, congrats.

Like I said, who in their right mind wouldn’t take the Bush economy over this President’s?