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A Reminder of Obama's First eight Months' Accomplishments
(Some trivial, some dangerous, all true)
1. Offended the Queen of England .
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Eva Morales of Bolivia .
6. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras .
7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
while they're building their nuclear weapons.
8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
9. Expanded the bailouts.
10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
11. Doubled our national debt.
12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system
the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.
13. Released information on U.S. intelligence gathering
despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.
14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated
on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."
16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."
17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America 's world leadership.
18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.
19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.
20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States .
21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.
22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.
23. Sent his National Defense Adviser to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas
against Israel .
25. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over
to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.
26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.
27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't.
Bloomberg: Daschle says, "Health care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them,"
while former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm says seniors have "a duty to die."

If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that the President,
Senators and Congressmen have their own special gold plated health care plan
which is guaranteed the remainder of their lives and they are not subject to this new law if they pass it.

Please use the power of the Internet
to get this message out.
Talk it up at the grassroots level.
We have an election coming up
in one year and four months
where we can reverse
the dangerous direction
of the Obama administration and its allies.
In the interim,
we can make their lives miserable.
Lets do it!
"Except for ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism; war has never solved anything!"
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Speaking as an outsider, you appear to act like one of the Glenn Beck minions who are changing the very nature of political dialogue. May I suggest that you work to help America, rather than posting demoralizing rhetoric? President Obama has made mistakes, but he has also ,made many positive changes with respect to America's image in the world, which was severely damaged by the Republican administration in the last eight years.

I am NOT a liberal. I am an independent thinker, who looks in on American politics from a foreigners point of view. I live in Germany, however I have spent many years in The United States, and in many ways, view it as my second home.

Please acknowledge that I have not used any 'hate speak' here, nor have I used any name calling. I expect a response, but I do not expect any disrespect for my opinions.

The path that you, and many others of the far right wing of American culture, reminds me of German history during the years in the run up to the Nazi's Fascist regime. No, I do not think that America will become Fascist because of your and others like yours statements. However, the unlinking of your allegiance to your elected government in favor of a seemingly hate-filled counter culture, is not far off from the history of Western Europe in the 20's and 30's.

I would admonish you to give your President a chance, to work within the system, and try to make America, one of the greatest nations in all of history, even better. Would you try to rethink your position for the good of your Nation?
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Originally posted by Max Kuster:
Speaking as an outsider, you appear to act like one of the Glenn Beck minions who are changing the very nature of political dialogue. May I suggest that you work to help America, rather than posting demoralizing rhetoric? President Obama has made mistakes, but he has also ,made many positive changes with respect to America's image in the world, which was severely damaged by the Republican administration in the last eight years.

I am NOT a liberal. I am an independent thinker, who looks in on American politics from a foreigners point of view. I live in Germany, however I have spent many years in The United States, and in many ways, view it as my second home.

Please acknowledge that I have not used any 'hate speak' here, nor have I used any name calling. I expect a response, but I do not expect any disrespect for my opinions.

The path that you, and many others of the far right wing of American culture, reminds me of German history during the years in the run up to the Nazi's Fascist regime. No, I do not think that America will become Fascist because of your and others like yours statements. However, the unlinking of your allegiance to your elected government in favor of a seemingly hate-filled counter culture, is not far off from the history of Western Europe in the 20's and 30's.

I would admonish you to give your President a chance, to work within the system, and try to make America, one of the greatest nations in all of history, even better. Would you try to rethink your position for the good of your Nation?


Wow...NICE POST!
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I would admonish you to give your President a chance, to work within the system, and try to make America, one of the greatest nations in all of history, even better. Would you try to rethink your position for the good of your Nation?

While I don't agree with every point he made, many were on target. All he/she said was to vote in the next election, isn't that how America works?
As for the 'make their lives miserable', that sounds a little koolaidish.
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Originally posted by Max Kuster:
Speaking as an outsider, you appear to act like one of the Glenn Beck minions who are changing the very nature of political dialogue. May I suggest that you work to help America, rather than posting demoralizing rhetoric? President Obama has made mistakes, but he has also ,made many positive changes with respect to America's image in the world, which was severely damaged by the Republican administration in the last eight years.


I am NOT a liberal. I am an independent thinker, who looks in on American politics from a foreigners point of view. I live in Germany, however I have spent many years in The United States, and in many ways, view it as my second home.

Please acknowledge that I have not used any 'hate speak' here, nor have I used any name calling. I expect a response, but I do not expect any disrespect for my opinions.


The path that you, and many others of the far right wing of American culture, reminds me of German history during the years in the run up to the Nazi's Fascist regime. No, I do not think that America will become Fascist because of your and others like yours statements. However, the unlinking of your allegiance to your elected government in favor of a seemingly hate-filled counter culture, is not far off from the history of Western Europe in the 20's and 30's.

I would admonish you to give your President a chance, to work within the system, and try to make America, one of the greatest nations in all of history, even better. Would you try to rethink your position for the good of your Nation?

I'm sorry but from one side of your mouth you open your post calling us Glenn Beck's minions, demoralizers, and that we severely damaged America's image in the world. And you want us to acknowledge your negative opening libels is not hateful or name calling? Bizaaaaaarre!

On the other side of your mouth you claim not to use hate speak or name calling and you do not expect any disrespect for your opiniong.

You have drawn parallels with what you call far right wing of American culture to the 1920-30's Germany without mentioning any specifics. The right wing of American politics is interested in conserving the political heritage of our founding fathers. The left wing of American politics are interested in discarding that political heritage and adopting a foreign system of govt shared by the German Nation Socialist Party, Socialism.

The rise of the NAZI party shares many simularities with today's American Socialist Party, AKA The Democratic Party. The simularities are:

a discarding of established law; taking over the auto industry and denying secured share holders their right to first dibs on assets of a bankrupt company and handing the labor union majority control of that company. The auto labor unions are major contributors to the Obamao campaign. This is unpresidented in American history and is common to all Communist revolutions throughout the world.

and

the growth of the centralization of planning and control of key segments of the economy including, heavy industry, banking and health care.

and

the bizarre creation of the cult of personality implemented by supporters of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Castro with such indoctrination and brainwashing of young children which we have discussed in length in this forum and the broader media over the months so it's redundant to detail here again.

So I would contend that you, Max, have it exactly backwards when drawing parallels in right wing American politics and fascist culture of Europe.

Again, I can't stress it enough, the right wing of America is interested in maintaining the political heritage of your beloved founding fathers which is in direct contrast to the foreign poloitical system of Socialism, which is actually practiced in true fascist European countries.

So when our president, who we all know is a marxist and socialist, taunts us by saying, "the process of fundamentally changing America has begun", we are not going to lay idle like the German public did in the Weimar Republic of Hitlers rise.

Socialism destroys the fundamental political principles unique to American politices, the principles which you acknowledge makes America the greatest nation in all of history.

The good of the nation requires that we should rage, rage! against the bleak night Obamao insists on dragging our nation through. He is not making our nation better.

He is destroying our nation.
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Originally posted by Parker Lewis:
I will be kind and simply say Reflecting s TRASH,just a ton of lies with a few truths mixed in
Instead of personal attacks, would you mind spending a moment or two detailing any of the lies?

I'm not catching onto the "lies", so I sure can use your help pointing them out. I want to learn and am perfectly willing to adjust my opinon and world view with any new information which crosses my way.

So what are you talking about by calling the opening post a ton of lies? I need to know.
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Originally posted by Parker Lewis:
K lets go 1 and a time...3 is a complete lie


"To move forward, we cannot let ourselves be prisoners of past disagreements. I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We've all heard these arguments before."

Remember, the opening statement, "(Some trivial, some dangerous, all true)"

Yes, this one is trivial, but true. You may not call it praise but that does not make it a lie. It was a positive statement (gratefull), a praise, directed twards a corrupt, Marxist dictator. It sure as heck wasn't a critical nor a negative statement. It was a positive statement.


This is fun. Next "lie", please.
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Originally posted by Max Kuster:
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
He is destroying our nation.


I truly feel sorry for you. Your hate has completely colored and misconstrued what I said. If you take offense, and consider it name calling when I refer to certain views as those of Glen Beck's minions, then you have made my case.


When people start labeling others with "hate", it's almost a sure sign they lack a rational argument. Does this correlate to you?

Of all the points I wrote for you to respond to, you take this one closing, summary statement to condemn me.

Another personal attack, "I truly feel sorry for you.", without a counter point to my contribution.

Why do you see HATE where in reality I express a LOVE of my country the way it was established? It all depends on one's point of view. You have a negative point of view, a negative view of the fundamental political heritage of the USA.

I do hate evil, socialism, and love good, the US Constitution.

quote:
Your hate has completely colored and misconstrued what I said


Well then I say you have mislead me about what you were trying to say. Perhaps you can reword what you were trying to say.
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Originally posted by Max Kuster:
Unfortunate;y, there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. Have a pleasant day.


You can not change my mind by any means outside the truth and knowledge of Constitutional law and American political heritage. All of of which are absent in your argument.

So you are here to teach people things and change people's mind? I'm here to learn, be challenged and challenge others in a search for truth.

The bulk of this debate looks to have be drawed to an end. I relied on the wisdom of our founding fathers in their own words and accomplishments.

Max and True Blue, as nearly all liberals do, rely on emotion and personal attacks to shout down and villify their opponents unfairly.

A quick review of all the posts by these two clearly illustrates a lack of depth and substance to their emotional filled argument.

Neither of them has referenced constitutional law, our founding fathers or American political principle. They have leaned on foreign sources and opinions regarding an American issue.
quote:
You can not change my mind by any means outside the truth and knowledge of Constitutional law and American political heritage. All of of which are absent in your argument.

So you are here to teach people things and change people's mind? I'm here to learn, be challenged and challenge others in a search for truth.

The bulk of this debate looks to have be drawed to an end. I relied on the wisdom of our founding fathers in their own words and accomplishments.

Max and True Blue, as nearly all liberals do, rely on emotion and personal attacks to shout down and villify their opponents unfairly.

A quick review of all the posts by these two clearly illustrates a lack of depth and substance to their emotional filled argument.

Neither of them has referenced constitutional law, our founding fathers or American political principle. They have leaned on foreign sources and opinions regarding an American issue.


Proof positive; they are what they hate.
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
quote:
Originally posted by Max Kuster:
Speaking as an outsider, you appear to act like one of the Glenn Beck minions who are changing the very nature of political dialogue. May I suggest that you work to help America, rather than posting demoralizing rhetoric? President Obama has made mistakes, but he has also ,made many positive changes with respect to America's image in the world, which was severely damaged by the Republican administration in the last eight years.


I am NOT a liberal. I am an independent thinker, who looks in on American politics from a foreigners point of view. I live in Germany, however I have spent many years in The United States, and in many ways, view it as my second home.

Please acknowledge that I have not used any 'hate speak' here, nor have I used any name calling. I expect a response, but I do not expect any disrespect for my opinions.


The path that you, and many others of the far right wing of American culture, reminds me of German history during the years in the run up to the Nazi's Fascist regime. No, I do not think that America will become Fascist because of your and others like yours statements. However, the unlinking of your allegiance to your elected government in favor of a seemingly hate-filled counter culture, is not far off from the history of Western Europe in the 20's and 30's.

I would admonish you to give your President a chance, to work within the system, and try to make America, one of the greatest nations in all of history, even better. Would you try to rethink your position for the good of your Nation?

I'm sorry but from one side of your mouth you open your post calling us Glenn Beck's minions, demoralizers, and that we severely damaged America's image in the world. And you want us to acknowledge your negative opening libels is not hateful or name calling? Bizaaaaaarre!

On the other side of your mouth you claim not to use hate speak or name calling and you do not expect any disrespect for your opiniong.

You have drawn parallels with what you call far right wing of American culture to the 1920-30's Germany without mentioning any specifics. The right wing of American politics is interested in conserving the political heritage of our founding fathers. The left wing of American politics are interested in discarding that political heritage and adopting a foreign system of govt shared by the German Nation Socialist Party, Socialism.

The rise of the NAZI party shares many simularities with today's American Socialist Party, AKA The Democratic Party. The simularities are:

a discarding of established law; taking over the auto industry and denying secured share holders their right to first dibs on assets of a bankrupt company and handing the labor union majority control of that company. The auto labor unions are major contributors to the Obamao campaign. This is unpresidented in American history and is common to all Communist revolutions throughout the world.

and

the growth of the centralization of planning and control of key segments of the economy including, heavy industry, banking and health care.

and

the bizarre creation of the cult of personality implemented by supporters of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Castro with such indoctrination and brainwashing of young children which we have discussed in length in this forum and the broader media over the months so it's redundant to detail here again.

So I would contend that you, Max, have it exactly backwards when drawing parallels in right wing American politics and fascist culture of Europe.

Again, I can't stress it enough, the right wing of America is interested in maintaining the political heritage of your beloved founding fathers which is in direct contrast to the foreign poloitical system of Socialism, which is actually practiced in true fascist European countries.

So when our president, who we all know is a marxist and socialist, taunts us by saying, "the process of fundamentally changing America has begun", we are not going to lay idle like the German public did in the Weimar Republic of Hitlers rise.

Socialism destroys the fundamental political principles unique to American politices, the principles which you acknowledge makes America the greatest nation in all of history.

The good of the nation requires that we should rage, rage! against the bleak night Obamao insists on dragging our nation through. He is not making our nation better.

He is destroying our nation.


This a great post reservation. I just had to get on here and say it. Great post.
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Originally posted by barracus:
Where were the lib demonstrations marching peacefully to the Capital while GW was in office?


Barracus,
For the eight years of Bush, there were legion of people trying to get us to see what Bush was doing. During much of that time, I listened to Limbaugh and Hannity, and saw those people vilified and called traitors, communists, and just about everything else.

Eight years later, we see they were not far off. The one's protesting Bush that is.
quote:
Originally posted by Max Kuster:
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
He is destroying our nation.


I truly feel sorry for you. Your hate has completely colored and misconstrued what I said. If you take offense, and consider it name calling when I refer to certain views as those of Glen Beck's minions, then you have made my case.


The only case you made is it's ok for me to believe what I want as long as it is like you.

Some quotes from one of our founding fathers:

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
quote:
Originally posted by reservation:
quote:
Originally posted by Jobe:
This a great post reservation. I just had to get on here and say it. Great post.


Thanks man. I'm glad I'm not shouting into an empty box.


When you ask them to debate issues or back up what they are saying they say"have a good day" and disappear.
quote:
Originally posted by Extra260:
quote:
Originally posted by barracus:
Where were the lib demonstrations marching peacefully to the Capital while GW was in office?


Barracus,
For the eight years of Bush, there were legion of people trying to get us to see what Bush was doing. During much of that time, I listened to Limbaugh and Hannity, and saw those people vilified and called traitors, communists, and just about everything else.

Eight years later, we see they were not far off. The one's protesting Bush that is.


Go to zombietime.com and review the filth on the demonstrators'signs we had to put up with in DC when they demonstrated against Bush. If I put them on the forum, I'd probably be banned (again).
quote:
Originally posted by Max Kuster:
but he has also ,made many positive changes with respect to America's image in the world


As, at least 140 of the 180 odd nations within the UN (some are really odd) are kleptocracies. As, others like Belgium and France are managed by an elites who must go to certain academies to even be considered for office in government and, thus are not representative of their populace. As, the leaders of many are survirors of the factions that made excuses for the murderous regimes that controlled the USSR and their captive nations within the Iron curtain.

Why should be give a rat's arse or a tinker's damm, what they think!

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