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I want to preface this post by saying that the following is from an email I received so I cannot verify the authenticity of the statements nor that they are correct or incorrect.  As I read it I kept thinking about Nancy Pelosi's statement that we have to pass it in order to find out what is in it.  Whether or not she was talking about this or not I don't know but if it contains stuff like this I know why the Democrats wanted to pass it in such a hurry before the public got to read it.  Remember this was the one that was pushed through and deemed passed without actually voting on it. 

 

Gives new emphasis for the importance of voting in 2012

 

Can anyone imagine what the liberals would say if this plan was hatched by the Republicans and George Bush?

 

 

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number
THE CARE BILL HB 3200

 
THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.
Judge Kithil of  Marble Falls,  TX -  highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

 
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
 
* Page 50/section 152:  The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164:  The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15:  The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.  (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253:  Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations.  Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429,  line 13-25:  The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH????  Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.  Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
   -    Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls,  Texas

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Of course the Forum socialists will side step this one until they are called on it.

I've read some of this already.

* Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

Is this what you want for your Grandparents? For you? For your Grandkids? The thing is it won't get any better. The age will lower for the death panels to enforce. Before you know it things will be so bad. Well just think back to the famous line from Mr.Heston, "It's People".

 

Skippy

Voter and Independents should realize this is what the Democratic Party forced on America.  They forced it against total Republican opposition but because they were voted in with majorities in both houses and because of a Democratic President we now have this Health Care Bill.  Enacted eventually DEEMED Passed without voting on it in order to shove it through to the President.  Why all the rush?  How about Scott Brown and other Republicans that were elected and reduced the Democratic majority in the Senate to where the Republicans could filibusterer the Bill holding it up long enough that people would read it and see what was in it.

 

What was done should be illegal and those responsible for it should be forced to live by their own Bill.  Where are all the Democrat Liberals that support everything the Dem's do?  Where are they to argue how this Health Care Bill fiasco is good and really will help us? 

 

If you voted Democrat then have a look at what you are responsible for. READ the bill.

Health care is the driver of most of the government expenditure increases.  The Repubs blocked Clinton, and at the time backed a plan that was to use an individual mandate, ironically. 

The Repubs are Do-Nothings, and Know-Nothings, clinging to the belief that the free market will produce the best results.  Dems and Moderates know that health care costs have to be contained, we cant continue to spend twice as much as other industrialized nations.   The Repubs had 8 years to do something and all they could manage was Medicare Part D, a totally unfunded entitlement that helps seniors at the expense of everyone else.  

More than likely, the Dems made a bigger mess than they started with, but at least there is a law that will redefine the health care sector and ultimately lead to a solution.  

  JUDGE KITHIL wrote: * Page 50/section 152:  The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
** Page 65/section 164:  The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).
** Page 203/line 14-15:  The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.  (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)
** Page 241 and 253:  Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.
** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations.  Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)
** Page 429,  line 13-25:  The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

Ditto are you kidding?

Upside claimed you were a Right Winger. I don't see it.

Do you care to comment? Raise taxes 20%?

And also, "Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.  Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan.

As continually asked," If it's such a great deal, why isn't it good enough for Congress"?

 

Skippy

Originally Posted by gbrk:

I want to preface this post by saying that the following is from an email I received so I cannot verify the authenticity of the statements nor that they are correct or incorrect.  As I read it I kept thinking about Nancy Pelosi's statement that we have to pass it in order to find out what is in it.  Whether or not she was talking about this or not I don't know but if it contains stuff like this I know why the Democrats wanted to pass it in such a hurry before the public got to read it.  Remember this was the one that was pushed through and deemed passed without actually voting on it. 

 

Gives new emphasis for the importance of voting in 2012

 

Can anyone imagine what the liberals would say if this plan was hatched by the Republicans and George Bush?

 

 

Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number
THE CARE BILL HB 3200

 
THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.
Judge Kithil of  Marble Falls,  TX -  highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

 
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
 
* Page 50/section 152:  The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164:  The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15:  The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax.  (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253:  Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations.  Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429,  line 13-25:  The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH????  Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.  Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
   -    Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls,  Texas

This topic is so important I will restrain myself from replying to Jimbo.

Please read this important post from GBRK.

Skippy

 
Originally Posted by gbrk:

 
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
 
* Page 50/section 152:  The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.



False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/...-lies-about-hr-3200/

 

 

At least come up with something new, on your own, that cant be proven false in 10 seconds.  But do keep barking, it reminds everyone how misguided and desperate the Repugs have become.  

 

Note when I posted it I said

 

I want to preface this post by saying that the following is from an email I received so I cannot verify the authenticity of the statements nor that they are correct or incorrect.

 

If that section is misleading then you are right to correct it and point it out.  Now what about the other statements?

 

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