OIL $135.00 A barrel. Can you afford another 4 years of republican oil men and women?
Try selling that SUV yet? Good luck on getting what you got in it back.
How big of a fool will you be to put republicans back in control?
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quote:Originally posted by skymaster:
But JJ, Don’t you remember the election of 2006?
Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; now with the Democrats in control the cheapest gas I found today was 3.75.
And didn’t I see you driving a brand new Hummer the other day. lol
quote:Originally posted by Si, se puede!:quote:Originally posted by skymaster:
But JJ, Don’t you remember the election of 2006?
Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; now with the Democrats in control the cheapest gas I found today was 3.75.
And didn’t I see you driving a brand new Hummer the other day. lol
Gas prices were rising before Democrats took control. Gas went from under 1.00 in 2000 to at least 2.50 by the 2006 election.
The fact that we are at war in the Middle East is not helping any. Tanks and jets need lots of fuel. Besides, we are p*ssing off the very people who own most of the oil. I wouldn't be so kind or friendly to make oil cheap if my friends and loved ones were being slaughtered.
quote:Originally posted by skymaster:
But JJ, Don’t you remember the election of 2006?
Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; now with the Democrats in control the cheapest gas I found today was 3.75.
And didn’t I see you driving a brand new Hummer the other day. lol
quote:Originally posted by JJPAUL:
OIL $135.00 A barrel. Can you afford another 4 years of republican oil men and women?
Try selling that SUV yet? Good luck on getting what you got in it back.
How big of a fool will you be to put republicans back in control?
quote:Originally posted by JJPAUL:
Skymaster, The democrats are out numbered on the fillerbuster by the pubs,bluedogs and yellowdog democrats. These are your Bush democrats. On the news today they asked, when will people speak up and say enough is enough. I don't think people will speak up and do nothing but keep the roads hot and go on their little merry way.
quote:Originally posted by rforeverfree:
I am outraged by these new higher gasoline prices.. lets' see what shall I do? I know I'll post my complaints on a newspaper reader forum, that ought solve the issue, and while I am at it I will let a pinko poster rile me up about it. I think that PB..oh darn.. JJPaul may have the solution right here in River City.
quote:Originally posted by falcon1234:quote:Originally posted by JJPAUL:
Get real! The President of the United States has absolutely no control over oil prices, nor should he. If we had listened to him seven years ago, we'd be pumping more oil out of Alaska today. To heck with a polar bear!
quote:Originally posted by Howard Roark:
The oil was shipped to Japan because we had insufficient refinery capacity on the west coast. It was cheaper to fill Japan's needs and use Nigerian oil in US Gulf and east coast refineries, until west coast refineries increased capacity.
We are importing gasoline because of insufficient refinery capacity, which drives up the cost.
As to Alaskan oil, as test drilling in not allowed in ANWR or the Chicksa Sea, no one has any idea how much oil is there.
The Europeans have worked on electric cars with little success. Even, if successul, they will be short commuter vehicles, at best.
quote:Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
Excelman, I was alive during the wonderful Carter years also and I remember the gas lines wrought by the wonders of the punitive Windfall Profits tax. Yes, sending money to the haters of the U.S. is extremely stupid; but really who is most at fault? One can believe that a president is a wizard or fairy and that with one mighty wave of the wand all fuel tanks will overflow with cheap gas, but that is a dream of fools. A person must have been asleep through highschool American Government/Civics classes and Economics classes to believe the Democratic (Socialist) party line.
Anyone with a brain knows that low supply and high demand plus rampant speculation equals high prices. Just what can a president do? Should Bush nuke the producers and exchange houses around the world and take the oil? Should Congress go without blame for not allowing exploration and drilling on our own soil for many years now? One must remember it takes 60 like minded Senators to get bills through the Senate. Even if one can find a majority in the House and 60 Senators with gray matter, it takes time for the oil to get to the refineries. Then there is the problem of the limited refinary capacity. Oh yes, thats just a wave of a Democrat's magic wand away from solution.
What about alternative energy sources? Do we want to wait a couple of decades for the research and then the production/delivery infrastructure to fill our tanks with Wonderwizz fuel? It will take time to find the best processes and construct the plants and delivery infrastucture before the U.S. can kick its addiction to oil. Until the day of self-reliance comes again, all one can do is be frugal with our choices of transportation.
quote:Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
Excelman, you are partially correct in saying that Carter was not resposible for the gas lines, it takes Congress to pass the laws that reduce the incentive to find and produce fuel for profit. While you say that Carter was interested in kicking the addiction to oil, I remember that it was in Reagan's time that TVA started work to produce Ethanol from waste biomass. The work stopped in Clinton's term because of the expense of the Ethanol from using that process, it was far cheaper to keep burning gas.
I believe that the bio-mass to alcohol plant was started during or shortly after Carter's time. It was for sure shut down by 2nd term of Reagan as was the coal to gas plant. Both were long gone before the Clinton Admin. I know that for a fact.
As far as the foolishness of the American consumer and SUV's, this is a still a free country with a Free Market economy. I don't believe Dick Cheney has the time to go to every car dealer with his shotgun and force people to buy a gass-guzzler. Perhaps if the U.S. was a more perfect Peoples Republic with an energy commisar, we would be more energy independent tooling about in our oxcarts and riding bicycles.
While it is true that nobody made anybody buy one of those gas guzzeling SUV's or trucks, today's gas prices show the foolishness of such a purchase. My major problem with the politics of the situation is that small trucks were NOT originally considered in the CAFE standards because during the 70's , most people drove cars and trucks were primarily used by people as a means to earn a living. Later, when trucks became popular as personal transportation, any attempt to include them in CAFE standards was shot down by Republicans in Congress. To me it is pretty simple, if you drive a vehicle for personal transportation that does not get at least around 30 MPG, you shouldn't be *****ing about the cost of gas.
As far as the U.S.'s military posture, how would it be beneficial if we adopt an isolationistic and pacifistic policy. That policy worked extremely well during the 1930's with the rise of the socialistic dictatorships and the feudal empire that our country would have to deal with later. As far as screaming like a girl and running like a frenchman from Iraq, how would that put more oil on the market? Surrendering one oil producer to Sunni (al-Qaeda) and Shia (Iran) muslim extremists would only embolden those fanatics to take over the other oil producing countries in the region. An Obamanish foreign policy would probably give us an economy that would have us longing for the days of cheap 4 dollar gas. Such a foreign policy might also put us in a war of Apocholyptic proportions with a much stronger enemy and a much weaker U.S.
I believe it is no longer in the best interest of our country to be the policemen for the rest of the world. We have by far the largest milirary of any country in the world, and we pay thru the nose for that. Why should Europe, or Asia, or Africa, or whoever else not have to provide security for themselves ? However, I spoke about getting our of Iraq, and the US military burns approximatly 1/2 million barrals of oil per day just to keep our fources there. If we were to get out "poof" tomorrow, that would be that much more oil on the market. while it is true that there would probably be civil war between the factions there, when a few million had been killed , and the country in the hands of the most powerful sect, they would pump oil like crazy. American oil companies may or may not get the profits from it, but it would be on the market. An additional thing that Bush''s cowboy deplomacy has caused is the insecurity that we may invade Iran and who knows who else. As Howard Roark points out that causes the speculation of the oil market to go crazy driving up the price of oil. In addition,. the cost of insurance to the shippers is increased by exponential amounts due to the shipping out of a war zone. Bush's policies , I believe, have caused a lot of the cost we are paying at the pump.
As far as refineries not running at 100% capacity 24/7 for 365 days a year, remember these facilities were designed by man and staffed and overseen by humans. Things wear out and need maintenance, and things wear out faster when they are being pushed at maximum capacity. Also there are different fuel blends for different locals as dictated by the EPA which mean down-times to make the neccesary adjustments.
True, and some of the spring price problems are because the refineries are changing to the summer blends to help with the smog , especilly in Cal. The refineries are adding capacities even as we speak, but it takes a while for that to come on line.
Again, it took time to get ourselves in this predicament, so it will take more time, sweat and wisdom to get us out of it. Politcians offering quick fixes and wand-waving are lying and people who believe them are fools. Only the hard work of intelligent minds with the sweat of industrious employees coupled with more educated consumers will get us out this rough-patch. In the end it will take free enterprise and the American consumer and not socialists to fix things.