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The common wisdom on "peak oil" is a crock of the well-known barnyard commodity.

Take a little time to read from the links below what is really going on with the world's supply of crude oil. There is abundant oil at greater depths than are commonly drilled. Other nations, including Russia, the biggest producer of crude oil in the world (yes, they produce more than Saudi Arabia! Fact!)do not buy the conventional theory that all the oil and gas is "fossil fuel." They believe--and have good reason to believe--that oil is generated abiotically, i.e. without the need for decomposition of pre-existing life forms within the earth's crust. Does that sound strange? Does it sound equally strange that Russia is, in fact, the world's largest producer of crude oil and that they have become so by drilling deeply to get at these reserves of "deep oil"? Read and learn. Do NOT buy Big Oil's intimidating and bogus warnings that we soon will be running out of oil. And, yes, one of my references is from the Huffington Post, so if you wingers out there wish to pooh-pooh what is posted there out of a knee-jerk aversion to its origins, go right ahead. Simply ignore that link and go to the others and exercise some intellectual curiosity and objectivity. As a small deposit toward the credibility of the "deep oil" theory and the dubiousness of conventional concepts of petroleum generation, consider also this comment from Sir Fred Hoyle, the noted astronomer and the daddy of the "Big Bang Theory":

“The suggestion that petroleum might have arisen from some transformation of squashed fish or biological detritus is surely the silliest notion to have been entertained by substantial numbers of persons over an extended period of time.”

- Fred Hoyle, (1982)


http://www.memes.org/abiotic-oil-nutshell

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...l-theo_b_118845.html

www.gasresources.net
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I also doubt that I ever filled up with dead dinosaurs such as the Sinclair Oil Co. commercials suggested. There are some who believe in the abiotic theory of oil deposits; that oil arises from chemical reactions deep in the Earth's crust. There are also those who believe oil deposits arise from chemotrophic carbon fixing archaebacteria living deep in the crust. I suspect that as I type new oil is being generated in the Earth's crust nearby where I live. Even if the replacement conventional light crude oil is not generated at a rate to replace the oil we have used, there are other sources of oil we can use until until new technology makes petroleum obsolete.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum#cite_note-6
While I agree with you that there probably is not a real crude oil supply crisis, I do think you left out two major villains and only targeted "Big Oil". You left out "Big Government" and "Big Green". It is a given that Obama and the Democratick party support crony capitalism and their cronies seem to have a dog in the fight for "green energy".

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While Barack Obama campaigns as an anomaly not corrupted by Washington politics or special interests, he has repeatedly contradicted this illusion by accepting big bucks from convicted entrepreneurs as well as oil company executives, steering millions of federal earmark dollars to his wife’s employer and a top donor and hiring powerful corporate insiders to run his campaign.

Now the “squeaky clean” newcomer to big time politics is heavily promoting ethanol, made almost entirely from corn, as a source of energy because many of his top advisors and prominent supporters have close ties to that industry. In a story published this week, a major national newspaper lays out why the Illinois senator so strongly endorses ethanol.

It turns out that Obama’s national campaign co-chairman, former South Dakota Senator Tom Daschle, serves on the boards of three ethanol companies and his top advisor on environmental issues, Jason Grumet, used to work for a bipartisan initiative (National Commission on Energy Policy) that strongly supports ethanol.

Obama is also very tight with Illinois agriculture giant Archer Daniels Midland, the nation’s largest ethanol producer. Incidentally, a few years ago Archer Daniels Midland became the first company to sell food directly from the U.S. to Cuba since the implementation of the decades-old embargo and, perhaps not coincidentally, Cuban communist Dictator Fidel Castro has endorsed Obama. In fact, months ago he said an Obama-Hillary Clinton ticket would be unbeatable.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/b...interest-list-swells

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President Obama is continuing his outreach to American business, though the principal business he wants to reach out to is General Electric. Mr. Obama seems to have decided that what’s good for GE is good for America, or at least for himself.

It has been a banner year in government largesse for America’s fourth-largest corporation. This month, the Federal Communications Commission approved the 51 percent/49 percent NBC Universal joint venture between Comcast and GE. Last week, GE announced a White House-backed plan for another joint venture with a Chinese avionics company. Mr. Obama capped the good news by naming GE Chief Executive Jeffrey R. Immelt as head of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness - this after GE eliminated 18,000 U.S. jobs in 2009 (the most recent data available).

Times certainly have changed since the summer of 2010, when Mr. Immelt was quoted telling Italian businessmen America was in a “terrible” national mood during the “tepid” economic recovery and that U.S. business disliked Mr. Obama as much as Mr. Obama disliked business. GE later said those comments were “taken out of context.” Mr. Immelt says he’s worried about China because he’s “not sure that in the end they want any of us to win, or any of us to be successful.” He apparently, however, is willing to give the People’s Republic access to advanced American aerospace technology. On Monday, Mr. Obama claimed the $45 billion in deals with China his administration brokered would create 235,000 new U.S. jobs. Even if that figure turns out to be true, it would equal just 58 percent of the new unemployment claims filed last month alone.

Last summer’s grumbling aside, Mr. Immelt has long been an Obama champion, seeing opportunities for profit in the administration’s emphasis on so-called green technologies and in opening foreign markets. The GE CEO envisions a future with less emphasis on free markets and more “coordinated commitment among business, labor and government.” In 2009, he praised government intervention in the economy, telling shareholders that “in a reset economy, the government will be a regulator; and also an industry policy champion, a financier and a key partner.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com...as-crony-capitalism/
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We may not be running out of oil, but I believe for sure we are running out of cheap oil. More and more, oil has to be drilled out of deep water, or difficult places.
Oil wells were drilled years ago in Tishomingo Co, and from accounts, oil was found, but it was very heavy and not economically viable to extract. There are huge deposits in the oil shale out west, but in order to extract it, it takes a lot of water which is about as precious out there as is the oil.
To add a chiller to the "drill baby drill" crowd , even IF, and I say this with much reservation, the US could fulfill all it's oil demand domestically, it would not affect the price very much at the pump. (Although it would be a better thing than buying it from less friendly countries).
Whether or not there is plenty of oil here, or there, fact it, we can kiss cheap gasoline goodbye. We have known this for 40 years, I don't understand why it is still so hard for so many to face.
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Whether or not there is plenty of oil here, or there, fact it, we can kiss cheap gasoline goodbye.


With the present monetary policies, I suspect that we can kiss cheap anything goodbye. Well, maybe wages will be cheapened to compete with the rest of the world!

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Higher Inflation Is On The Way
Feb 28th, 2011 by Charles Kadlec in Economic Liberty

This article was originally published on Forbes.com on February 22, 2011

Reported inflation is headed higher — much higher.

The stakes have seldom been higher. With the unemployment rate still above 9%, and federal debt at record levels, this latest error by the monetary authorities is likely to be the most costly since the Great Inflation of the 1970s. Monetary instability will slow employment growth and further erode confidence in government at the same time that higher interest rates will add billions of dollars to the interest cost on the national debt. Yet, failure to act in a timely basis will lead to an even greater crisis.

When it arrives, the Federal Reserve and its defenders will call it “cost-push” inflation and blame it on economic growth, the weather, Arab sheiks, China, and perhaps greedy companies and labor unions.

The actual cause of the looming crisis is the same as the cause of the Great Inflation of the 1970’s: a too easy monetary policy that has devalued the dollar by 40% against gold during the past two years.
http://communityofliberty.org/...ation-is-on-the-way/
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Originally posted by seeweed:
We may not be running out of oil, but I believe for sure we are running out of cheap oil. More and more, oil has to be drilled out of deep water, or difficult places.
Oil wells were drilled years ago in Tishomingo Co, and from accounts, oil was found, but it was very heavy and not economically viable to extract. There are huge deposits in the oil shale out west, but in order to extract it, it takes a lot of water which is about as precious out there as is the oil.
To add a chiller to the "drill baby drill" crowd , even IF, and I say this with much reservation, the US could fulfill all it's oil demand domestically, it would not affect the price very much at the pump. (Although it would be a better thing than buying it from less friendly countries).
Whether or not there is plenty of oil here, or there, fact it, we can kiss cheap gasoline goodbye. We have known this for 40 years, I don't understand why it is still so hard for so many to face.


Lovely how the "green" President exacerbates the problem... Obama surrenders Gulf to Moscow Look for $5 a gallon, then a leveling off... until this "administration" is gone anyway...
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Originally posted by seeweed:
We may not be running out of oil, but I believe for sure we are running out of cheap oil. More and more, oil has to be drilled out of deep water, or difficult places.
Oil wells were drilled years ago in Tishomingo Co, and from accounts, oil was found, but it was very heavy and not economically viable to extract. There are huge deposits in the oil shale out west, but in order to extract it, it takes a lot of water which is about as precious out there as is the oil.
To add a chiller to the "drill baby drill" crowd , even IF, and I say this with much reservation, the US could fulfill all it's oil demand domestically, it would not affect the price very much at the pump. (Although it would be a better thing than buying it from less friendly countries).
Whether or not there is plenty of oil here, or there, fact it, we can kiss cheap gasoline goodbye. We have known this for 40 years, I don't understand why it is still so hard for so many to face.


I dispute some of your claims about cheap oil...but the point of my reply would be...this is what spurs innovation...in the PRIVATE sector.

Prices going up makes it economically feasible for oil companys to explore, find and develop "hard to find" oil...which leads to more production...which leads to innovation to produce the "hard to find" oil as cheaply as possible (which would bring prices back down)...this "theory" has only been going on since the dawn of man.

And here's where I don't understand why the "greenies" don't embrace the free market...price of oil going up leads to the economic incentive to produce alternative energy!

But the real reason the "greenies" don't support the free market is because we are not running out of oil...so they look to government intervention to "force" the alternative energy economy.

The problem with oil, is similiar...it is way too politicized and subsidized world wide to get a true "free market" price.

So the price of oil is subject not to supply and demand and production costs, but to politics.
http://www.investors.com/NewsA...52/Oil-Hypocrisy.htm

IBD Editorials

Oil Hypocrisy

Posted 06:52 PM ET

Energy Policy: As the White House goes to court to defend its self-imposed drilling moratorium, it floats the idea of tapping our strategic petroleum reserve to lower rising prices. How about the oil offshore and in Alaska?

Listening to mainstream punditry, you'd think $4 gas is due solely to Mideast unrest and global demand. Those are factors, but so are our self-imposed restrictions on supply.

The administration at least acknowledges that the law of supply and demand exists, with White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley telling NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday that the White House is considering tapping into the nation's strategic petroleum reserve to counteract upward price pressure caused by fear of supply disruptions from Mideast unrest.
.........................see site................................

As Jane Van Ryan of the American Petroleum Institute states, the SPR "was established to protect the United States against an interruption of petroleum supplies, such as occurred after the hurricanes Katrina and Rita."

It was not established to respond to or mask the consequences of a deliberate administration policy to have energy prices "necessarily skyrocket" in a futile pursuit of so-called "green" energy, a policy designed to create an artificial shortage orchestrated by an energy secretary, Steven Chu, who once said gas should be at $8 a gallon.

The administration's energy policy, or lack of one, is inexcusable and outright hypocritical — admitting we need to increase supply to mitigate price hikes at the same time it works to restrict supply to make prices go up. We have plenty of oil here in the U.S. Unfortunately, all our dipsticks are in Washington, D.C.
Just a thought. During the Gulf oil spill, while the spotlight was on BP, gasoline / oil prices were vey stable for several months. When the leak was stopped and it ceased to be news, look how the price climbed. I wonder if the refineries are currently running at full capacity? The argument seeems to goes back and forth between limited oil supply and insufficient refining capacity as the reason for high prices. Oh yeah, also, the occasional "fear" factor.
Read this article

http://www.businessinsider.com...eaking-point-2009-12

US oil refineries are operating at about 85% of capacity, which means there will be more refineries closed to keep supply tight.

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“We have too much capacity,” said Lynn D. Westfall, the chief economist at the Tesoro Corporation, a midsize refiner, who estimated that the industry’s capacity of 18 million barrels a day must be cut 5 to 8 percent. “We need refineries to be shut down.”

Refineries, especially smaller ones, have been closing for many years. The number of refineries in the United States fell to about 150 in recent years from more than 300 in 1982. At the same time, the nation’s refining capacity grew by about 13 percent, as companies expanded their most efficient refineries.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12...ment/24refining.html

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Some of the nation's biggest oil companies are looking at permanently reducing how much gasoline and diesel fuel they make, a move that analysts say would almost certainly trigger higher prices for drivers. "Refineries will have to be closed," said Fadel Gheit, senior energy analyst with Oppenheimer & Co. "Unless this excess capacity is permanently shuttered, a recovery in refining margins is unsustainable."


http://articles.latimes.com/20...neries11-2010mar11/3
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