check this out
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2099971.ece
now give us your expert rationale and tell us once again how global warming is a hoax please,I forgot the lines
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quote:Yes, there is global warming on the planets
Earth and Mars. Whether its due to human activity or changing flux of flow of plasma on the surface of the sun and resulting changes in solar winds is the rub. Global warming has occurred on Earth numerous times.
Latest UN study predicts a 17-inch rise in the ocean's heighth vs Gore's movie that predicts a 20-foot rise. GIGO again, when one uses computer models unconnected to actual occurrence.
As the islands being inundated, are we to assume the oceans rises in certain spots and not everywhere, in contradiction with the laws of phsics? The islands rest on tectonic plates that rise and fall. There are other reports of islands rising, that don't make the news.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
Yes, there is global warming on the planets
Earth and Mars. Whether its due to human activity or changing flux of flow of plasma on the surface of the sun and resulting changes in solar winds is the rub. Global warming has occurred on Earth numerous times.
Latest UN study predicts a 17-inch rise in the ocean's heighth vs Gore's movie that predicts a 20-foot rise. GIGO again, when one uses computer models unconnected to actual occurrence.
As the islands being inundated, are we to assume the oceans rises in certain spots and not everywhere, in contradiction with the laws of phsics? The islands rest on tectonic plates that rise and fall. There are other reports of islands rising, that don't make the news.
quote:You're also right about ice being denser than water. I'm missing how all of this proves global warming is caused by humans.
quote:Here is a quote from Newsweek magazine:
“There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production– with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth.”
A headline in the New York Times reads: “Climate Changes Endanger World’s Food Output.” Here is a quote from Time Magazine:
“As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval.”
quote:“[Those] who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right… weathermen have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer.”
quote:Time Magazine in 1951 pointed to receding permafrost in Russia as proof that the planet was warming.
quote:In 1952, the New York Times noted that the “trump card” of global warming “has been the melting glaciers.”
quote:There are many more examples of the media and scientists flip-flopping between warming and cooling scares.
Here is a quote from the New York Times reporting on fears of an approaching ice age.
“Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again.”
quote:Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/06/060116_the_point_of.php
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:quote:Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/06/060116_the_point_of.php
OK nash, let's change your experiment a little, you have a funnel that holds a gallon of water if you close the outlet. Balance this funnel in a quart jar, fill it with ice, let the ice melt. NOW WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?
My calculations say you have a quart of water in the jar, and more than a half gallon of water all over the table, and on the carpet under the table.
quote:OK nash, let's change your experiment a little, you have a funnel that holds a gallon of water if you close the outlet. Balance this funnel in a quart jar, fill it with ice, let the ice melt. NOW WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?
My calculations say you have a quart of water in the jar, and more than a half gallon of water all over the table, and on the carpet under the table.
quote:I have asked this question a number of times and have yet to get a straight answer;
If the planet is being heated causing the ice caps to melt does that not also increase the evaporation rate of the water? This would result in more clouds blocked sunlight and increased precipitation which would result in a moderating effect. The result of course of a huge moderation [cooling] would eventually create an increased level of ice caps and a renewal as nature has always demonstrated. The fear I would be more concerned with would be the earth becoming too cold. In human survival terms which would have a much larger risk in the increased rate we would expend natural resources in order to stay warm. The one part of the equation which is never discussed is the fact every drop of water on this planet from it’s creation is still here in one form or another. Where else could it go? So much for the claim of a non renewable resource being depleted. 20 years back the talk of selling bottled water would have been laughed at and look at us now, trained sheep consumers, slaves to the media as political correctness is used as a whip to control our voice.
It is with amazement we hear the Global warming fear mongering always it is accompanied by pictures of polluted lakes and streams which will not be dealt with in Kyoto, or will the other major pollutants associated with the largest sources which cause acid rain, polluted water and respiratory problems. Much as the smoking ban fans created a phantom to distract us away from science. The six cities research showed a huge disparity between most and least polluted cities. Hospital admissions which decreased with pollution level decreases in all of what are termed smoking related diseases. I find it inexcusable environmental groups are promoting this scam.
Somehow the media groups who are paid billions of our tax dollars every year to incite fears remain credible. Spreading the word with new research not available even a decade ago no new methods of estimating has been created affording new insights. Reams of new research is being created tour Jour; complimenting industry advocates in the battle for market share. Now with UN involvement joining with stakeholders or NGOs of political and industrial interest, the political map is up for grabs as well. Utilizing the same methods of calculation Hitler used to promote his health scare advocacy. It boggles the mind the news rooms who should be taking out the trash support Industry and continually punish us for their crimes.
Charity foundations holding over 7 Trillion dollars in North America alone should be made to pay for the failings of industry The silent majority needs to speak up before the transition to total fascism is complete or we are all classed as third world nations in the current health scare agenda.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:the OCEANS DO HAVE ICE FLOATING ON THEM. and Sir, Greenland and Antartica, and Iceland, and the Alps, and Mt Killamanjaro, and The Andes and the Rocky Mountains, ALL HAVE ICE FLOATING ON THEM TOO. In fact, the North Polar Ice Cap could melt entirely without raising sea level my much. BECAUSE THAT ICE IS FLOATING IN THE OCEAN. BUT GREENLAND'S ICECAP HAS MORE ICE AND WATER IN IT THAT THE POLAR ICE CAP. That ice is NOT IN THE OCEAN, IT IS IN THE FUNNEL.quote:OK nash, let's change your experiment a little, you have a funnel that holds a gallon of water if you close the outlet. Balance this funnel in a quart jar, fill it with ice, let the ice melt. NOW WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?
My calculations say you have a quart of water in the jar, and more than a half gallon of water all over the table, and on the carpet under the table.
That doesn't make any sense. How is that a comparason to the Earth? The oceans are like a glass of water with ice floating in it, not a gallon funnel and a pint jar.
By the way, I went to the beach for New Year's. The week prior, the weather was predicted to be rainy and stormy for most of time I would be there. It rained once, late Saturday night. The rest of the time it was very pleasant. If science can't predict the weather a week in advance, how can they predict it a decade or more in advance?
quote:Originally posted by kevin:
I have asked this question a number of times and have yet to get a straight answer;
If the planet is being heated causing the ice caps to melt does that not also increase the evaporation rate of the water? Yes This would result in more clouds blocked sunlight and increased precipitation which would result in a moderating effect. NO The result of course of a huge moderation [cooling] would eventually create an increased level of ice caps and a renewal as nature has always demonstrated. Yes and it will take about 45 thousand years. The fear I would be more concerned with would be the earth becoming too cold. In human survival terms which would have a much larger risk in the increased rate we would expend natural resources in order to stay warm. The one part of the equation which is never discussed is the fact every drop of water on this planet from it’s creation is still here in one form or another. Where else could it go? So much for the claim of a non renewable resource being depleted. 20 years back the talk of selling bottled water would have been laughed at and look at us now, trained sheep consumers, slaves to the media as political correctness is used as a whip to control our voice.
It is with amazement we hear the Global warming fear mongering always it is accompanied by pictures of polluted lakes and streams which will not be dealt with in Kyoto, or will the other major pollutants associated with the largest sources which cause acid rain, polluted water and respiratory problems. Much as the smoking ban fans created a phantom to distract us away from science. The six cities research showed a huge disparity between most and least polluted cities. Hospital admissions which decreased with pollution level decreases in all of what are termed smoking related diseases. I find it inexcusable environmental groups are promoting this scam.
Somehow the media groups who are paid billions of our tax dollars every year to incite fears remain credible. Spreading the word with new research not available even a decade ago no new methods of estimating has been created affording new insights. Reams of new research is being created tour Jour; complimenting industry advocates in the battle for market share. Now with UN involvement joining with stakeholders or NGOs of political and industrial interest, the political map is up for grabs as well. Utilizing the same methods of calculation Hitler used to promote his health scare advocacy. It boggles the mind the news rooms who should be taking out the trash support Industry and continually punish us for their crimes.
Charity foundations holding over 7 Trillion dollars in North America alone should be made to pay for the failings of industry The silent majority needs to speak up before the transition to total fascism is complete or we are all classed as third world nations in the current health scare agenda.
quote:Greenland and Antartica, and Iceland, and the Alps, and Mt Killamanjaro, and The Andes and the Rocky Mountains, ALL HAVE ICE FLOATING ON THEM TOO.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:quote:Greenland and Antartica, and Iceland, and the Alps, and Mt Killamanjaro, and The Andes and the Rocky Mountains, ALL HAVE ICE FLOATING ON THEM TOO.
Those aren't polar ice caps. Those snows have melted and returned, it's part of the natural cycle of the Earth. You mentioned the snows in the Rockies are disappearing, have you watched the news lately? Denver has been covered in record snow fall. Even if the snows were disappearing and the ocean level was rising, there is still no evidence that we are responsible as opposed to the Earth simply changing on it's own.
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Latest UN study predicts a 17-inch rise in the ocean's heighth vs Gore's movie that predicts a 20-foot rise. GIGO again, when one uses computer models unconnected to actual occurrence.
As the islands being inundated, are we to assume the oceans rises in certain spots and not everywhere, in contradiction with the laws of phsics? The islands rest on tectonic plates that rise and fall. There are other reports of islands rising, that don't make the news.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
It still doesn't prove that the warming effect is not natural and we are causing it. In history there have been ice ages and warm periods, it's just what the Earth does and we can't stop it.
quote:Global warming, or climate change has been constant for a billion years or more.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
check this out
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2099971.ece
now give us your expert rationale and tell us once again how global warming is a hoax please,I forgot the lines