I haven't had time yet, Bill. After you posted it yesterday, I had a few things that needed to be done and then I had to leave to be someplace. Today is busy too, and although I have had time to pop in between giving lessons, I haven't had time to watch the whole thing all the way through. I'll watch it tonight after I have closed the shop - that way I will be able to give it my full attention. 
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,
Just curious. Has ANYONE bothered to watch the video? If you will, you will find that many of your questions are answered. While most Christians will want to hear his answers, even if you disagree with Dr. Bing -- you may find yourself agreeing with him on many things.
And, I realize that no matter what Dr. Bing, or anyone else teaches -- there are those non-believers who will stick their heads in the sand -- declaring they see nothing. In other words, they are doing a good Sgt. Schultz impression, "I see nothing! I hear nothing! I know nothing!" And, like Pharaoh, they will continue to harden their hearts.
But, for all my Friends with an "inquiring mind" -- I sincerely urge you to view Dr. Bing's video.
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( Hand raised ) I have not bothered to watch the video.
If I disagree with Bing, how do I agree with him?
I can't hear you Billie-je, I've got sand in my ears.
Well gb, first of all the bible IS full of contradictions and should be treated like any other book of fantasy such as Harry Potter.
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Well gb, first of all the bible IS full of contradictions and should be treated like any other book of fantasy such as Harry Potter.
Well, more Bibles have been sold than wonder woman, Lois Lane and
Bat Man funny books put together. There is some interest in it.
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Well invictus, why don't you just think about that? I think it's pretty easy to see why. How many hundreds of years head start did your bible get?
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Well invictus, why don't you just think about that? I think it's pretty easy to see why. How many hundreds of years head start did your bible get?
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No No, The potters are based on a true story and got beat hands down.
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One thing hp and the bible have in common, they both made billionaires out of people.
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,
Just curious. Has ANYONE bothered to watch the video?
And, I realize that no matter what Dr. Bing, or anyone else teaches -- there are those non-believers who will stick their heads in the sand -- declaring they see nothing. In other words, they are doing a good Sgt. Schultz impression, "I see nothing! I hear nothing! I know nothing!"
Bill
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Bill, I didn't watch the video because I'm sure it supports OSAS or you wouldn't have put it on here.
There will always be those people like you that stick their heads in the sand when people give them scriptures that teach against OSAS.
You do a good impression of "I see nothing! I hear nothing! I know nothing!" when you refuse to address those scriptures.
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
semi, you are right in the fact that Heb 6: 4-8 doesn't support OSAS.
Heb 6: 4-8
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. [7] For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. [8] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt.
[4] "It is impossible"... The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell.
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Bill usually has ahout 50 chapter and verse that he rewrites the meanings
for, why not this time? Could it be the free ticket video?
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Invictus, do you believe in OSAS?
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
semi, you are right in the fact that Heb 6: 4-8 doesn't support OSAS.
Heb 6: 4-8
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. [7] For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. [8] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt.
[4] "It is impossible"... The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell.
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Bill usually has ahout 50 chapter and verse that he rewrites the meanings
for, why not this time? Could it be the free ticket video?
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Invictus, do you believe in OSAS?
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Never have, never will, It goes against true Christian beliefs and goes
against all Bible belief. It isn't Bibilical.
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Just a question, based from my on curiosity, without biasing it with my own personal beliefs or position on this Doctrine.
Forget for a moment the terminology (OSAS). For those that do believe that a person can lose their Salvation, have the Holy Spirit abandon the person's body and their inner spirit, leaving them in a lost, unsaved state. What is it that accomplishes this? Or in another way exactly what is it that causes this to occur?
Can Satan or his demons be responsible for such? If so what protection does the Christian have in order to protect themselves from Satan or his demons power? Does 1 Tim 4:1 apply here?
Can a person sin so as to lose their salvation? If so then what sins accomplishes this? Is 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 an applicable verse to use in discussion of this point?
How many ways can a person lose their salvation according to your interpretation of Scripture?
Do you consider this the unpardonable sin / blaspheme of the Holy Spirit?
If a Christian can lose their salvation is it able to be regained (according to Scripture)? If not it not a natural expectation that God would, from Scripture, explain clearly how the Christian could/would lose it?
These are some questions that some believers who believe in Eternal Security or that God's Salvation is not able to be lost.
This is a reasonable point of discussion among Christians and a Doctrine that Christians on both sides of the issue consider backed up by Scriptures.
For those that believe in Eternal Security or that you cannot lose your salvation how do you reconcile the following verse
Hebrews 6:4 (CEV)
{4} But what about people who turn away after they have already seen the light and have received the gift from heaven and have shared in the Holy Spirit? What about those who turn away after they have received the good message of God and the powers of the future world? There is no way to bring them back. What they are doing is the same as nailing the Son of God to a cross and insulting him in public!
Each advocate for each Doctrine personally should be able to know that reason for what they believe. Additionally each should recognize that those who hold opposing views also fully believe that their position is supported and reinforced by Scripture.
Yeah, well MY made-up invisible ghostie can whip YOUR made-up invisible ghostie....
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Yeah, well MY made-up invisible ghostie can whip YOUR made-up invisible ghostie....
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Well bless your little deviated septum.
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Originally Posted by gbrk:
Each advocate for each Doctrine personally should be able to know that reason for what they believe. Additionally each should recognize that those who hold opposing views also fully believe that their position is supported and reinforced by Scripture.
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Brilliant point, captain obvious. Yes, you are all "cafeteria Christians." You take what you like and throw out the rest. Heck, Bill is probably the most glaring example of a Cafeteria Christian.
The atheists are the only ones who have it right: We call BS on all of it.
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Yeah, well MY made-up invisible ghostie can whip YOUR made-up invisible ghostie....
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Well bless your little deviated septum.
Casper is on my side, he can handle your ghostie.
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Originally Posted by gbrk:
Just a question, based from my on curiosity, without biasing it with my own personal beliefs or position on this Doctrine.
Each advocate for each Doctrine personally should be able to know that reason for what they believe. Additionally each should recognize that those who hold opposing views also fully believe that their position is supported and reinforced by Scripture.
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Those questions & scriptures have
been debated for years, & will go
on being debated.
Parts of the Bible speaks of Eternal
Security, others, as in Hebrews,
speaks of losing your salvation.
The Bible seems to contradict itself,
don't it?
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by gbrk:
Each advocate for each Doctrine personally should be able to know that reason for what they believe. Additionally each should recognize that those who hold opposing views also fully believe that their position is supported and reinforced by Scripture.
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Brilliant point, captain obvious. Yes, you are all "cafeteria Christians." You take what you like and throw out the rest. Heck, Bill is probably the most glaring example of a Cafeteria Christian.
The atheists are the only ones who have it right: We call BS on all of it.
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Using your analogy, Bill and his FRANs would go into the cafeteria, get some broccoli and when they came to the green beans would ask why they were serving broccoli again. He would certainly refuse any unleavened bread products, and suspect the owners of being Catholic. Then he would take his fork, say it is a spoon, and try to eat soup with it.
Bill would go on to study the menu to the point of knowing every item listed and every ingredient, and if he didn't understand any of the French titles like "soup du jour" he would have it transliterated until he understood it to be "beans and wieners". Using various menu items he would then project when the cafeteria actually opened that day. If he happened to see that tonight's special was a "bottomless bowl of salad", he would expect the bowel it was served in to be literally bottomless, and when he actually saw the bowel would proudly and assuredly claim that the bowel did indeed have no bottom.
As Bill and his FRANs pay on the way out, Bill would accuse the cashier of being a plain old vanilla cashier, **** her to hell, and wish her a blessed day.
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
If he happened to see that tonight's special was a "bottomless bowl of salad", he would expect the bowel it was served in to be literally bottomless, and when he actually saw the bowel would proudly and assuredly claim that the bowel did indeed have no bottom.
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Har!
If they didn't offer an item on the menu any longer he would claim that they never served it to begin with, because in his opinion it was so tasty that there's no way everyone wasn't ordering it.
I see a lot of people intimating that my eternal soul is in peril, but what I'm NOT finding is anybody actually explaining the discrepancy I mentioned.
Is there any official explanation that Christians have for this? Or, do they just write it off as one of the "patented replies" people use when they don't understand how someone can be told two (or three...) contradictory things and believe that both are literally true?
I'm honestly curious to hear from the devout how they resolve this conflict. It seems clear to me that the three accounts in the four Gospels cannot all be true, so I'd like to know what kind of thinking goes into accepting that the works are literal and infallible.
If anyone can enlighten me, I'd be pleased to listen.
n.b.