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Got this in my e-mail today and couldn't help but get a chuckle out of it. I've Snoped it and it does not show up in their database. Most likely this is true:


For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought
so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions,
that bogus god you worship named "Climate Change" or "Global Warming",
there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to
process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway.

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in
Iceland, in it's first week of spewing volcanic ash, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE
EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on
our planet. Not only that, this single act of God, in it's first week, has
added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be
corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual
reductions.

I know, I know.... (have a group hug)...it's very disheartening to
realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished
while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying
fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid's "The
Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning
supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your
toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation
to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle,
replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs...well, all of those things
you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the first week.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in the first
week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil
beast, carbon. And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you
helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses... you know,
the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were
creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.

I'm so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver
lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush
fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those
fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world
for the next two years.

So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have nice day!

LIbEraliSm

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Got this in my e-mail today and couldn't help but get a chuckle out of it. I've Snoped it and it does not show up in their database. Most likely this is true:


For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought
so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions,
that bogus god you worship named "Climate Change" or "Global Warming",
there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to
process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway.

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in
Iceland, in it's first week of spewing volcanic ash, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE
EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on
our planet. Not only that, this single act of God, in it's first week, has
added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be
corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual
reductions.

I know, I know.... (have a group hug)...it's very disheartening to
realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished
while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying
fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid's "The
Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning
supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your
toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation
to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle,
replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs...well, all of those things
you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the first week.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in the first
week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil
beast, carbon. And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you
helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses... you know,
the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were
creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.

I'm so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver
lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush
fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those
fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world
for the next two years.

So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have nice day!


this made me laugh. choke on it, al gore.
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
I'm glad y'all are happy .
We'll see how it all pans out- more ash will cause cooling for a while. MOre CO2 will cause more greenhouse effect. Probably , when it is all over and done, the net effect will be more warming.
Where do you plan to go once this planet is screwed ? I may need to go with you.


i'm sorry, but you are wrong, sir. ( or ma'am. it's kinda hard to tell form that name.)

the sky fills with ash which reflect sunlight, which cools the planet, making everyone who's freaking out about 'global warming' look just a little silly.
the earth goes thought warming/cooling cycles all of it's own accord - it has for billions of years before we were here, and will continue to do so billions after we've gone the way of the dodo.

Global Warming is real - the idea that mankind makes any affect on it one way or the other is the laughable part. Global Cooling is also real, and once again, nothing we humans can do will make any difference in the slightest.

besides.. CO2 isn't the big nasty involved in global warming anyway.
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
I'm glad y'all are happy .
We'll see how it all pans out- more ash will cause cooling for a while. MOre CO2 will cause more greenhouse effect. Probably , when it is all over and done, the net effect will be more warming.
Where do you plan to go once this planet is screwed ? I may need to go with you.


Seeweed, this is laughable because it's centered around CO2 emmissions, not real pollution. There has been enough discovery in the last 12 months to question the validity of temperature date collected by climate scientists, including NASA's data. From poor record keeping to cherry picking data to poor placement of sensing instruments, there is no conclusive evidence CO2 is causing the earth to go into a death spiral.

Before you say I have a personal stake in keeping fossil fuels in use, I've transferred to nuclear, so it would actually be in my best interest (money wise) to see coal go the way of the do-do. However, I can't go along with the alarmist/hack science-global warming scam out of principle.
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
I'm glad y'all are happy .
We'll see how it all pans out- more ash will cause cooling for a while. MOre CO2 will cause more greenhouse effect. Probably , when it is all over and done, the net effect will be more warming.
Where do you plan to go once this planet is screwed ? I may need to go with you.


Seeweed, this is laughable because it's centered around CO2 emmissions, not real pollution. There has been enough discovery in the last 12 months to question the validity of temperature date collected by climate scientists, including NASA's data. From poor record keeping to cherry picking data to poor placement of sensing instruments, there is no conclusive evidence CO2 is causing the earth to go into a death spiral.

Before you say I have a personal stake in keeping fossil fuels in use, I've transferred to nuclear, so it would actually be in my best interest (money wise) to see coal go the way of the do-do. However, I can't go along with the alarmist/hack science-global warming scam out of principle.

Methinks you listen to the gospel of fox too much. I believe the world temperature is rising. I also believe that some of that is due to CO2 in the atmosphere. I'm just at a loss to understand the agenda of anyone who makes a big effort to make mountains out of molehills trying to disprove it. Every report I hear of (I don't listen at FOX at all , so I realize I don't get the corporate propaganda) states that the earth is warming, and one of the causes is CO2.
At any rate, you and apparently several more seem to take such joy in the fact that our planet is actually in peril from the use of fossil fuels, be it pollution from risky drilling in the Gulf, the removal of mountain tops to get coal,the poisonous gas burning them produces, or global warming. I find it hard to believe that hatred of Al Gore is so great that y'all don't give a damm about our home.
In the long term though, Earth will survive, possibly after it kicks us off after we pollute it so much it is no longer livable.
The joy you seem to get in this ,be it volcano, or emmissions, I just don't grasp.
quote:
Originally posted by thenagel:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:


i'm sorry, but you are wrong, sir. ( or ma'am. it's kinda hard to tell form that name.)

the sky fills with ash which reflect sunlight, which cools the planet, making everyone who's freaking out about 'global warming' look just a little silly.
That's what I was implying when I said there may be some cooling, BUT, eventually the ash will settle out and the resulting increase in CO2 (along with a bunch of other stuff) will return us to warming.

the earth goes thought warming/cooling cycles all of it's own accord - it has for billions of years before we were here, and will continue to do so billions after we've gone the way of the dodo.

Global Warming is real - the idea that mankind makes any affect on it one way or the other is the laughable part. Global Cooling is also real, and once again, nothing we humans can do will make any difference in the slightest.
Your opinion , but not the opinion of most of the climatologist in the world. That fact is mostly disputed by people on the payroll of energy companies, primarly oil and coal

besides.. CO2 isn't the big nasty involved in global warming anyway.
There are for sure other factors involved, methane etc, the de-foristation of the Amazon rain forest, etc
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
I'm glad y'all are happy .
We'll see how it all pans out- more ash will cause cooling for a while. MOre CO2 will cause more greenhouse effect. Probably , when it is all over and done, the net effect will be more warming.
Where do you plan to go once this planet is screwed ? I may need to go with you.


Seeweed, this is laughable because it's centered around CO2 emmissions, not real pollution. There has been enough discovery in the last 12 months to question the validity of temperature date collected by climate scientists, including NASA's data. From poor record keeping to cherry picking data to poor placement of sensing instruments, there is no conclusive evidence CO2 is causing the earth to go into a death spiral.

Before you say I have a personal stake in keeping fossil fuels in use, I've transferred to nuclear, so it would actually be in my best interest (money wise) to see coal go the way of the do-do. However, I can't go along with the alarmist/hack science-global warming scam out of principle.

Methinks you listen to the gospel of fox too much. I believe the world temperature is rising. I also believe that some of that is due to CO2 in the atmosphere. I'm just at a loss to understand the agenda of anyone who makes a big effort to make mountains out of molehills trying to disprove it. Every report I hear of (I don't listen at FOX at all , so I realize I don't get the corporate propaganda) states that the earth is warming, and one of the causes is CO2.
At any rate, you and apparently several more seem to take such joy in the fact that our planet is actually in peril from the use of fossil fuels, be it pollution from risky drilling in the Gulf, the removal of mountain tops to get coal,the poisonous gas burning them produces, or global warming. I find it hard to believe that hatred of Al Gore is so great that y'all don't give a damm about our home.
In the long term though, Earth will survive, possibly after it kicks us off after we pollute it so much it is no longer livable.
The joy you seem to get in this ,be it volcano, or emmissions, I just don't grasp.


No one is taking any joy at real pollution. It's the notion that CO2 is considered a pollutant is what people are mocking. Fox News is not the only one saying we are going into cooling period. East Anglia's CRU's data, when not cherry picked, says so. Dr. Jones, former head of the CRU said in an interview we are headed into a mini ice age along with how bad a record keeper he his. NASA has admitted that their temp. data set is not in order. It has been shown as a fact that most temp. sensing devices used by climate change scientists are located near heat sources. Contrary to what Gore says the sea levels are not rising, polar bears are not headed toward extinction, the earth is not millions of degrees at the core, and we are not at the so called "tipping point". Haven't you noticed that whenever these scientist speak they always say it's going to happen 25-50 years down the road. I've been around long enough to hear many dire predictions dating back to the 70's, and they are always wrong.

I get my news from many sources, not just Fox. Fortunately there are many non main stream media outlets on the internet to get the truth. CNN, MSNBC, and the like virtually ignored Climategate, which is one of the reasons they have such low ratings, they don't report what they don't like. I suspect their ratings will continue to slide as the American people will begin to loose trust in them and turn to more reliable internet news sources.

They fooled me once several decades ago, they won't fool me again with this alarmist nonsense.
quote:
Originally posted by thenagel:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Got this in my e-mail today and couldn't help but get a chuckle out of it. I've Snoped it and it does not show up in their database. Most likely this is true:


For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought
so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions,
that bogus god you worship named "Climate Change" or "Global Warming",
there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to
process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway.

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in
Iceland, in it's first week of spewing volcanic ash, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE
EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on
our planet. Not only that, this single act of God, in it's first week, has
added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be
corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual
reductions.

I know, I know.... (have a group hug)...it's very disheartening to
realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished
while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying
fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid's "The
Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning
supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your
toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation
to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle,
replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs...well, all of those things
you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the first week.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in the first
week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil
beast, carbon. And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you
helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses... you know,
the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were
creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.

I'm so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver
lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush
fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those
fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world
for the next two years.

So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have nice day!


this made me laugh. choke on it, al gore.


Big AL is probably, this very minute, trying to sell those people some Carbon Credits... Cool
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
I'm glad y'all are happy .
We'll see how it all pans out- more ash will cause cooling for a while. MOre CO2 will cause more greenhouse effect. Probably , when it is all over and done, the net effect will be more warming.
Where do you plan to go once this planet is screwed ? I may need to go with you.


Seeweed, this is laughable because it's centered around CO2 emmissions, not real pollution. There has been enough discovery in the last 12 months to question the validity of temperature date collected by climate scientists, including NASA's data. From poor record keeping to cherry picking data to poor placement of sensing instruments, there is no conclusive evidence CO2 is causing the earth to go into a death spiral.

Before you say I have a personal stake in keeping fossil fuels in use, I've transferred to nuclear, so it would actually be in my best interest (money wise) to see coal go the way of the do-do. However, I can't go along with the alarmist/hack science-global warming scam out of principle.

Methinks you listen to the gospel of fox too much. I believe the world temperature is rising. I also believe that some of that is due to CO2 in the atmosphere. I'm just at a loss to understand the agenda of anyone who makes a big effort to make mountains out of molehills trying to disprove it. Every report I hear of (I don't listen at FOX at all , so I realize I don't get the corporate propaganda) states that the earth is warming, and one of the causes is CO2.
At any rate, you and apparently several more seem to take such joy in the fact that our planet is actually in peril from the use of fossil fuels, be it pollution from risky drilling in the Gulf, the removal of mountain tops to get coal,the poisonous gas burning them produces, or global warming. I find it hard to believe that hatred of Al Gore is so great that y'all don't give a damm about our home.
In the long term though, Earth will survive, possibly after it kicks us off after we pollute it so much it is no longer livable.
The joy you seem to get in this ,be it volcano, or emmissions, I just don't grasp.


No one is taking any joy at real pollution. It's the notion that CO2 is considered a pollutant is what people are mocking. Fox News is not the only one saying we are going into cooling period. East Anglia's CRU's data, when not cherry picked, says so. Dr. Jones, former head of the CRU said in an interview we are headed into a mini ice age along with how bad a record keeper he his. NASA has admitted that their temp. data set is not in order. It has been shown as a fact that most temp. sensing devices used by climate change scientists are located near heat sources. Contrary to what Gore says the sea levels are not rising, polar bears are not headed toward extinction, the earth is not millions of degrees at the core, and we are not at the so called "tipping point". Haven't you noticed that whenever these scientist speak they always say it's going to happen 25-50 years down the road. I've been around long enough to hear many dire predictions dating back to the 70's, and they are always wrong.

I get my news from many sources, not just Fox. Fortunately there are many non main stream media outlets on the internet to get the truth. CNN, MSNBC, and the like virtually ignored Climategate, which is one of the reasons they have such low ratings, they don't report what they don't like. I suspect their ratings will continue to slide as the American people will begin to loose trust in them and turn to more reliable internet news sources.

They fooled me once several decades ago, they won't fool me again with this alarmist nonsense.

I assume this means you only believe Fox (which has a stated pro-Republican agenda), and outlets that are un-vetted, there is no reason for me to continue this dialog.
Hell, I can get a web site, and write anything I want . It would not be vetted , but you or anybody else could provide a link to it. That dosn't mean it is correct.
NBC, CBS, and ABC all are very protective of the quality of their reporting. To cop a phrase from Harry Truman, who said "I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth and the Republicans think it's hell". Genuine news sources don't support your stand, they just tell the truth and you Al Gore haters just think it's hell.
sorry.. most of my data comes from the history channel.

i won't argue the fact of global warming.
i will argue that the existance of mankind makes any difference.
we don't. we just aren't that significant on a geological scale. it's the hight of arrogance to think that we can affect something one the scope and scale of this planet.

we can affect wether or not we continue to exist on the planet, but hte idea of ' save the planet' and ' earth day' make me laugh at the stupidity of it all, and weep because some people are foolish enough to believe that we make a difference by flicking our lights off for an hour. it's just asinine.

so, maybe we are abotu to face extinction... why not laugh? there certainly isn't anything we can do to change it....better to laugh than to cry.
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
I'm glad y'all are happy .
We'll see how it all pans out- more ash will cause cooling for a while. MOre CO2 will cause more greenhouse effect. Probably , when it is all over and done, the net effect will be more warming.
Where do you plan to go once this planet is screwed ? I may need to go with you.


Seeweed, this is laughable because it's centered around CO2 emmissions, not real pollution. There has been enough discovery in the last 12 months to question the validity of temperature date collected by climate scientists, including NASA's data. From poor record keeping to cherry picking data to poor placement of sensing instruments, there is no conclusive evidence CO2 is causing the earth to go into a death spiral.

Before you say I have a personal stake in keeping fossil fuels in use, I've transferred to nuclear, so it would actually be in my best interest (money wise) to see coal go the way of the do-do. However, I can't go along with the alarmist/hack science-global warming scam out of principle.

Methinks you listen to the gospel of fox too much. I believe the world temperature is rising. I also believe that some of that is due to CO2 in the atmosphere. I'm just at a loss to understand the agenda of anyone who makes a big effort to make mountains out of molehills trying to disprove it. Every report I hear of (I don't listen at FOX at all , so I realize I don't get the corporate propaganda) states that the earth is warming, and one of the causes is CO2.
At any rate, you and apparently several more seem to take such joy in the fact that our planet is actually in peril from the use of fossil fuels, be it pollution from risky drilling in the Gulf, the removal of mountain tops to get coal,the poisonous gas burning them produces, or global warming. I find it hard to believe that hatred of Al Gore is so great that y'all don't give a damm about our home.
In the long term though, Earth will survive, possibly after it kicks us off after we pollute it so much it is no longer livable.
The joy you seem to get in this ,be it volcano, or emmissions, I just don't grasp.


No one is taking any joy at real pollution. It's the notion that CO2 is considered a pollutant is what people are mocking. Fox News is not the only one saying we are going into cooling period. East Anglia's CRU's data, when not cherry picked, says so. Dr. Jones, former head of the CRU said in an interview we are headed into a mini ice age along with how bad a record keeper he his. NASA has admitted that their temp. data set is not in order. It has been shown as a fact that most temp. sensing devices used by climate change scientists are located near heat sources. Contrary to what Gore says the sea levels are not rising, polar bears are not headed toward extinction, the earth is not millions of degrees at the core, and we are not at the so called "tipping point". Haven't you noticed that whenever these scientist speak they always say it's going to happen 25-50 years down the road. I've been around long enough to hear many dire predictions dating back to the 70's, and they are always wrong.

I get my news from many sources, not just Fox. Fortunately there are many non main stream media outlets on the internet to get the truth. CNN, MSNBC, and the like virtually ignored Climategate, which is one of the reasons they have such low ratings, they don't report what they don't like. I suspect their ratings will continue to slide as the American people will begin to loose trust in them and turn to more reliable internet news sources.

They fooled me once several decades ago, they won't fool me again with this alarmist nonsense.

I assume this means you only believe Fox (which has a stated pro-Republican agenda), and outlets that are un-vetted, there is no reason for me to continue this dialog.
Hell, I can get a web site, and write anything I want . It would not be vetted , but you or anybody else could provide a link to it. That dosn't mean it is correct.
NBC, CBS, and ABC all are very protective of the quality of their reporting. To cop a phrase from Harry Truman, who said "I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth and the Republicans think it's hell". Genuine news sources don't support your stand, they just tell the truth and you Al Gore haters just think it's hell.


Fortunately most people disagree with your opinion of "genuine news sources". I'll cop a phrase as well, "some people like to be treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed poop."
I think that most of the people who don't like the vetted news media are mostly right wing people who choose to live in the community of non-reality, and in this particular part of the country they are legion.
Those of us who prefer to live in the reality community will tend to take well vetted news reporting as more factual than "news" media with an agenda to promote the interest of multinational corporations at the cost of the American people, by out and out lies that get told on FOX, and pseudo science by the people who are actually on the payroll f the corporations, in this case, the coal and oil industry.
I have very little trouble finding satellite pictures of the North Pole down through the past few decades. What seems so clear to us reality people for some reason seems so cloudy to the non-reality crowd, possibly because of their closed minded approach to where they acquire their information, and most likely what mental filters they use to process that information.
At any rate, if I look at grass and see green , there is no way FOX , some half-assed biased internet link , and by extension you, are going to convince me it is purple.

For example, for some reason that I will never understand, even before his position on carbon and global warming, lots of people had a hatred of Al Gore. So, by the fact that he brings a message, whatever it is, y'all take the opposing view and will stand to defend it be it right or wrong. I don't understand that mindset, so I can't argue with illogic.
So could you explain how Fox creates all those news stories they report from around the world that have authors and verifiable sources? Please list one news story reported on Fox that was a lie. Just one.

For every link you give with some 'nut' claiming we are all going to die in 10 years from C02, I can give a counter story from some other 'nut'. The IPCC report was flawed and used unverified sources and most data was taken from projected models, not actual facts.. Al Gore faked the data and scenes in his documentary, and there are over 31,487 American scientists that have signed the Global Warming Petition Project vs the 40 or so who signed onto the reliability of the IPCC report.
As for thinking who is right, seems the tree huggers are a little outnumbered. If God wants to kill us all with volcano eruptions and tsunamis, I don't see what we can do about it.


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represents the formally agreed statement of the IPCC concerning key findings and uncertainties contained in the Working Group contributions to the Fourth Assessment Report.

Core Writing Team
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http://www.petitionproject.org...tions_of_signers.php


Qualifications of Signers

Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields. The petition has been circulated only in the United States.

The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.

All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.

The Petition Project classifies petition signers on the basis of their formal academic training, as summarized below. Scientists often pursue specialized fields of endeavor that are different from their formal education, but their underlying training can be applied to any scientific field in which they become interested.

Outlined below are the numbers of Petition Project signatories, subdivided by educational specialties. These have been combined, as indicated, into seven categories.

1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,805 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.

2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.

3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,812 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.

4. Chemistry includes 4,822 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.

5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,965 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.

6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.

7. Engineering and general science includes 10,102 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.

The following outline gives a more detailed analysis of the signers' educations.
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Got this in my e-mail today and couldn't help but get a chuckle out of it. I've Snoped it and it does not show up in their database. Most likely this is true:


For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought
so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions,
that bogus god you worship named "Climate Change" or "Global Warming",
there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to
process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway.

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in
Iceland, in it's first week of spewing volcanic ash, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE
EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on
our planet. Not only that, this single act of God, in it's first week, has
added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be
corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual
reductions.

I know, I know.... (have a group hug)...it's very disheartening to
realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished
while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying
fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid's "The
Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning
supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your
toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation
to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle,
replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs...well, all of those things
you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the first week.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in the first
week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil
beast, carbon. And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you
helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses... you know,
the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were
creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.

I'm so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver
lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush
fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those
fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world
for the next two years.

So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have nice day!



USGS differs:

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php
From the same site:

Eruption of Mount Pinatubo on June 15, 2001.

The most significant climate impacts from volcanic injections into the stratosphere come from the conversion of sulfur dioxide to sulfuric acid, which condenses rapidly in the stratosphere to form fine sulfate aerosols. The aerosols increase the reflection of radiation from the Sun back into space, cooling the Earth's lower atmosphere or troposphere. Several eruptions during the past century have caused a decline in the average temperature at the Earth's surface of up to half a degree (Fahrenheit scale) for periods of one to three years. The climactic eruption of Mount Pinatubo on June 15, 1991, was one of the largest eruptions of the twentieth century and injected a 20-million ton (metric scale) sulfur dioxide cloud into the stratosphere at an altitude of more than 20 miles. The Pinatubo cloud was the largest sulfur dioxide cloud ever observed in the stratosphere since the beginning of such observations by satellites in 1978. It caused what is believed to be the largest aerosol disturbance of the stratosphere in the twentieth century, though probably smaller than the disturbances from eruptions of Krakatau in 1883 and Tambora in 1815. Consequently, it was a standout in its climate impact and cooled the Earth's surface for three years following the eruption, by as much as 1.3 degrees at the height of the impact. Sulfur dioxide from the large 1783-1784 Laki fissure eruption in Iceland caused regional cooling of Europe and North America by similar amounts for similar periods of time.

For more information about sulfur in the atmosphere, please see Volcanic Sulfur Aerosols Affect Climate and the Earth's Ozone Layer.

While sulfur dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has occasionally caused detectable global cooling of the lower atmosphere, the carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has never caused detectable global warming of the atmosphere. This is probably because the amounts of carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanism have not been of sufficient magnitude to produce detectable global warming. For example, all studies to date of global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon dioxide released currently by human activities. While it has been proposed that intense volcanic release of carbon dioxide in the deep geologic past did cause global warming, and possibly some mass extinctions, this is a topic of scientific debate at present.
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Originally posted by Bob_White:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Got this in my e-mail today and couldn't help but get a chuckle out of it. I've Snoped it and it does not show up in their database. Most likely this is true:


For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought
so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions,
that bogus god you worship named "Climate Change" or "Global Warming",
there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to
process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway.

Are you sitting down?

Okay, here's the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in
Iceland, in it's first week of spewing volcanic ash, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE
EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on
our planet. Not only that, this single act of God, in it's first week, has
added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be
corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual
reductions.

I know, I know.... (have a group hug)...it's very disheartening to
realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished
while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying
fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid's "The
Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning
supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your
toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation
to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle,
replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs...well, all of those things
you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the first week.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in the first
week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil
beast, carbon. And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you
helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses... you know,
the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were
creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.

I'm so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver
lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush
fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those
fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world
for the next two years.

So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have nice day!



USGS differs:

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php


You're quotes don't include major eruptions like the one in Iceland that shut down most of Europe.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by b50m:
So could you explain how Fox creates all those news stories they report from around the world that have authors and verifiable sources? Please list one news story reported on Fox that was a lie. Just one.


We can start with their railing on and on about "death panels" in the health care bill. Out and out lie. Rep Weiner went on Fox , called them liars to their face and used that as one of his examples. They (Shannity - I think) could only conceed they had reported that and that it was a liar. If you report a lie like it is the truth, you are a liar and the truth is not in you, and nothing that comes from your lieing mouth - or by extension from their lieing broadcast, can be trusted. Absolutely NOTHING .
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Originally posted by seeweed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by b50m:
So could you explain how Fox creates all those news stories they report from around the world that have authors and verifiable sources? Please list one news story reported on Fox that was a lie. Just one.


We can start with their railing on and on about "death panels" in the health care bill. Out and out lie. Rep Weiner went on Fox , called them liars to their face and used that as one of his examples. They (Shannity - I think) could only conceed they had reported that and that it was a liar. If you report a lie like it is the truth, you are a liar and the truth is not in you, and nothing that comes from your lieing mouth - or by extension from their lieing broadcast, can be trusted. Absolutely NOTHING .


The health care bill hasn't even kicked in yet. How do you know what was said isn't going to happen?
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by b50m:
So could you explain how Fox creates all those news stories they report from around the world that have authors and verifiable sources? Please list one news story reported on Fox that was a lie. Just one.


We can start with their railing on and on about "death panels" in the health care bill. Out and out lie. Rep Weiner went on Fox , called them liars to their face and used that as one of his examples. They (Shannity - I think) could only conceed they had reported that and that it was a liar. If you report a lie like it is the truth, you are a liar and the truth is not in you, and nothing that comes from your lieing mouth - or by extension from their lieing broadcast, can be trusted. Absolutely NOTHING .


The health care bill hasn't even kicked in yet. How do you know what was said isn't going to happen?


Well, if it ain't there, it ain't there, then it ain't there. Simple enough logical conclusion to draw. Maybe I should apologize here- I took quite a few courses in LOGIC at the University, and by nature tend to draw logical conclusions rather than believe whatever crap may spew from people who push a stated agenda. I trust my logic more than FOX lies. Just the way I am.
More to the point that I tried to imply, but apparently didn't convey my thoughts well enough:
If the Health Care Bill , or by extension ANY bill is bad for the American people (remember, THATS who our rep. are suppose to be representing, NOT the corporate giants who wish to screw everybody to improve their bottom line) , if any bill is bad, it should fall by it's own merits. There should be no reason to lie about it. Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Just my personal thought is that the more lies are told about a thing, in truth the better that thing will be for the American people. Just the way it seems to be.
You've got to be kidding Seeweed, right?

This health bill was passed through lies, backdoor deals, and bribery. The overwhelming majority of citizens oppose it vehemently.

Want proof? Just watch what is happening during the current primaries and most importantly, what is going to happen come November.

Your not using logic, your guided by blind faith in a group of liberal politicians. To say that this bill passed by it's own merits is the most illogical conclusion I've ever heard. Just watch how the citizens vote and it will become perfectly clear this health bill is not what the vast majority of America wanted.
Again , logic prevales.
I submit that the overwhelmingly majority of people DID want to see the health insurance industry changed. Many, actually wanted a single payer system. That was a major plank in Obama's platform, and a promise he made , not only during the election but during his acceptance speech. (the croud went wild)

When the Congressional republicans decided to try to bring down the Obama administration by blocking every single item and trying to make the health care issue "his Waterloo" , unfortuantly , a less than excellent bill was produced.
Then the lies about the bill started with the Congressional Republicans and the propaganda wing of the Republican party (FOX, rush etc)
To this day, most weak minded idiotic people who fill their minds with lies, still believe what we got was "government run health care" with death panels. Hell man, what was protraid by the lieing right wing media was a bill I wouldn't want. But what we got, is no where near what has been and now is still being protraied .
On a similar note, just yesterday I was in a motel where the desk clerk watched FOX all day long on the big screen. Said she wanted to watch "the truth". she then proceeded to tell me she hated Obama for raising her taxes. I told her that the truth of the matter is that her taxes were less now under Obama than they were under Bush . (You yourself know that is a correct statement for someone in her pay category)
She shook her head and told me NO ! She was paying more.
Now just how do you think she became so mis-informed ?
Answer, the same way the people you say don't like the health care bill , by allowing her poor little pointed head to be filled up with lies and more lies.
The polls actually showed that if given the items in the actual bill, the american people were very receptive of those items, like over 75%. On the other hand, if they were asked if they liked the "Obamacare bill" they showed about 75% negative.
So, if you base your premise on false facts, then what do you expect.
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
Again , logic prevales.
I submit that the overwhelmingly majority of people DID want to see the health insurance industry changed. Many, actually wanted a single payer system. That was a major plank in Obama's platform, and a promise he made , not only during the election but during his acceptance speech. (the croud went wild)

When the Congressional republicans decided to try to bring down the Obama administration by blocking every single item and trying to make the health care issue "his Waterloo" , unfortuantly , a less than excellent bill was produced.
Then the lies about the bill started with the Congressional Republicans and the propaganda wing of the Republican party (FOX, rush etc)
To this day, most weak minded idiotic people who fill their minds with lies, still believe what we got was "government run health care" with death panels. Hell man, what was protraid by the lieing right wing media was a bill I wouldn't want. But what we got, is no where near what has been and now is still being protraied .
On a similar note, just yesterday I was in a motel where the desk clerk watched FOX all day long on the big screen. Said she wanted to watch "the truth". she then proceeded to tell me she hated Obama for raising her taxes. I told her that the truth of the matter is that her taxes were less now under Obama than they were under Bush . (You yourself know that is a correct statement for someone in her pay category)
She shook her head and told me NO ! She was paying more.
Now just how do you think she became so mis-informed ?
Answer, the same way the people you say don't like the health care bill , by allowing her poor little pointed head to be filled up with lies and more lies.
The polls actually showed that if given the items in the actual bill, the american people were very receptive of those items, like over 75%. On the other hand, if they were asked if they liked the "Obamacare bill" they showed about 75% negative.
So, if you base your premise on false facts, then what do you expect.


Obama was elected based on layers and layers of lies. If you like living in your little imaginary world, then who am I to judge. Every recent poll shows great disdain for the health care bill. The president's rating has pretty much been less than 50% his whole term so far. The upcoming elections will abosolutey show everything you have said is WRONG and that people are fed up with Obama along his strongarm tactics and backdoor deals. Logic is obviously not your friend.
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Comparing my 2008 return to 2009, I don't see any difference in my tax payments. Of course I made a lot less in 2009 so it's certainly not going to jump out of the page at me. Maybe I saved 50 bucks on taxes. Doesn't mean a whole lot when my income dipped $15,000 from the previous year.

I guess that's what Obama meant when he said he was going to give us change. He meant nickles and dimes.
quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
So could you explain how Fox creates all those news stories they report from around the world that have authors and verifiable sources? Please list one news story reported on Fox that was a lie. Just one.

For every link you give with some 'nut' claiming we are all going to die in 10 years from C02, I can give a counter story from some other 'nut'. The IPCC report was flawed and used unverified sources and most data was taken from projected models, not actual facts.. Al Gore faked the data and scenes in his documentary, and there are over 31,487 American scientists that have signed the Global Warming Petition Project vs the 40 or so who signed onto the reliability of the IPCC report.
As for thinking who is right, seems the tree huggers are a little outnumbered. If God wants to kill us all with volcano eruptions and tsunamis, I don't see what we can do about it.


quote:
This underlying report, adopted section by section at IPCC Plenary XXVII (Valencia, Spain, 12-17 November 2007),
represents the formally agreed statement of the IPCC concerning key findings and uncertainties contained in the Working Group contributions to the Fourth Assessment Report.

Core Writing Team
Lenny Bernstein, Peter Bosch, Osvaldo Canziani, Zhenlin Chen, Renate Christ, Ogunlade Davidson, William Hare, Saleemul Huq, David Karoly, Vladimir Kattsov, Zbigniew Kundzewicz, Jian Liu, Ulrike Lohmann, Martin Manning, Taroh Matsuno, Bettina Menne, Bert Metz, Monirul Mirza, Neville Nicholls, Leonard Nurse, Rajendra Pachauri, Jean Palutikof, Martin Parry, Dahe Qin, Nijavalli Ravindranath, Andy Reisinger, Jiawen Ren, Keywan Riahi, Cynthia Rosenzweig, Matilde Rusticucci, Stephen Schneider, Youba Sokona, Susan Solomon, Peter Stott, Ronald Stouffer, Taishi Sugiyama, Rob Swart, Dennis Tirpak, Coleen Vogel, Gary Yohe

Extended Writing Team
Terry Barker



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http://www.petitionproject.org...tions_of_signers.php


Qualifications of Signers

Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields. The petition has been circulated only in the United States.

The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.

All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.

The Petition Project classifies petition signers on the basis of their formal academic training, as summarized below. Scientists often pursue specialized fields of endeavor that are different from their formal education, but their underlying training can be applied to any scientific field in which they become interested.

Outlined below are the numbers of Petition Project signatories, subdivided by educational specialties. These have been combined, as indicated, into seven categories.

1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,805 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.

2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.

3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,812 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.

4. Chemistry includes 4,822 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.

5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,965 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.

6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.

7. Engineering and general science includes 10,102 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.

The following outline gives a more detailed analysis of the signers' educations.


FOX News does not lie , but they sure know the meaning of the word *embellish* ,
[/QUOTE]I assume this means you only believe Fox (which has a stated pro-Republican agenda), and outlets that are un-vetted, there is no reason for me to continue this dialog.
Hell, I can get a web site, and write anything I want . It would not be vetted , but you or anybody else could provide a link to it. That dosn't mean it is correct.
NBC, CBS, and ABC all are very protective of the quality of their reporting. To cop a phrase from Harry Truman, who said "I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth and the Republicans think it's hell". Genuine news sources don't support your stand, they just tell the truth and you Al Gore haters just think it's hell.[/QUOTE]

Funny you bring up that the networks are very protective of the quality of their reporting. That reminds me of Dan Rather and some falsified documents. I work in the industry and trust me, NBC, CBS, and ABC aren't that "protective". Be careful who you say is un-trustworthy.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Comparing my 2008 return to 2009, I don't see any difference in my tax payments. Of course I made a lot less in 2009 so it's certainly not going to jump out of the page at me. Maybe I saved 50 bucks on taxes. Doesn't mean a whole lot when my income dipped $15,000 from the previous year.



I guess that's what Obama meant when he said he was going to give us change. He meant nickles and dimes.


Knowing this type of subject would eventually come up, in 2008 I scanned the tax tables in (for less than $100,000) and I did the same for 2009. If you compare them side by side, a first grader could be able to see that each and every tax category for 2009 taxes is less than the previous year. If you will PM me with a e-mail, I will be glad to send them to you, so you can do the same. (although it may take a few days for me to locate the disk and get it done)
Add to that, for a person in the tax bracket of what I would imagine the average hotel desk clerk makes got a "Make Work Pay ) tax CREDIT of up to (I believe) something like $750 and unless she put new windows or other energy saving stuff , for which she would have received even more tax credits for, her taxes were much less.
In your case, since I precieve you make way more than the $100K , I can't speak to those tax tables.
And, I will be the first to admit that the taxes for 2009 were not drastically less, they were less, and in the case of taxes, I suspect we can agree at least that less is better.
In fact , a couple of weeks ago, it was reported ,of course on NBC, CBS, and ABC, CNN and USATODAY, that taxes right now are the lowest overall since Harry Truman was president. Of course, that was the MSM and you think they lie.
I wouldn't know for sure, but my bet was that was not reported on FOX.
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Originally posted by Bob_White:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
[b]



USGS differs:

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php


Excellent post . I finally got on high-speed internet and read the site. GREAT iNFOrMation.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Comparing my 2008 return to 2009, I don't see any difference in my tax payments. Of course I made a lot less in 2009 so it's certainly not going to jump out of the page at me. Maybe I saved 50 bucks on taxes. Doesn't mean a whole lot when my income dipped $15,000 from the previous year.



I guess that's what Obama meant when he said he was going to give us change. He meant nickles and dimes.


Knowing this type of subject would eventually come up, in 2008 I scanned the tax tables in (for less than $100,000) and I did the same for 2009. If you compare them side by side, a first grader could be able to see that each and every tax category for 2009 taxes is less than the previous year. If you will PM me with a e-mail, I will be glad to send them to you, so you can do the same. (although it may take a few days for me to locate the disk and get it done)
Add to that, for a person in the tax bracket of what I would imagine the average hotel desk clerk makes got a "Make Work Pay ) tax CREDIT of up to (I believe) something like $750 and unless she put new windows or other energy saving stuff , for which she would have received even more tax credits for, her taxes were much less.
In your case, since I precieve you make way more than the $100K , I can't speak to those tax tables.
And, I will be the first to admit that the taxes for 2009 were not drastically less, they were less, and in the case of taxes, I suspect we can agree at least that less is better.
In fact , a couple of weeks ago, it was reported ,of course on NBC, CBS, and ABC, CNN and USATODAY, that taxes right now are the lowest overall since Harry Truman was president. Of course, that was the MSM and you think they lie.
I wouldn't know for sure, but my bet was that was not reported on FOX.


I know for a fact I did not save $750. I do know my income was substantially less and even if I did save $750, it would not even come close to offsetting the loss. Besides, there will be a great day of reckoning, if not this year then in the next few years to come. The way Obama has accelerated the nation debt it is inevitable.

Time will show that Obama's/liberal's rule is destructive to our society. I can wait to November for you to see how fed up the American people really are.

I'm head off the mainland in a few hours, I'm signing off for about 2 weeks.

Aloha
I wouldn't have suspected that you would get the "Making Work Pay Credit" as it topped off at somewhere around 40K as I remember (Not going to look it up to be sure either) However, that hotel clerk probably didn't make over that.

Have a GREAT trip. I'm jealous - at least there you won't get greasy feet walking the beach. Smiler

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