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Open Letter to Americans from John Kerry

Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
As you know I'm not leading a campaign for the presidency in 2008. Instead I have chosen to campaign to end the war in Iraq and protect America.

Yesterday I stood up with a remarkable group of Iraq war veterans who are speaking out because they believe the best way to support the troops is to change a course that squanders their lives. When brave patriots suffer and die because of the incompetence of mere politicians, the only patriotic choice is to demand change.

These veterans offered a profile in courage.

The Senate this week provided a profile in politics -- Republicans blocking even a vote up or down, one way or another on a bi-partisan resolution opposing the Bush escalation.

This has to end.

Republicans refuse even to go on record over the Bush escalation. We need to escalate the pressure for a policy change.

That's why I am introducing legislation that will again set a firm one-year deadline for the redeployment of most American troops from Iraq.

If you agree it is time to set a deadline, come to http://www.setadeadline.com and become a citizen co-sponsor of the legislation.

In addition to setting a deadline, my legislation includes key recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, many of which we have been advocating for some time. It will:

* launch a major diplomatic initiative, the only hope for a sustainable resolution in Iraq
* enforce a series of benchmarks to hold Iraqis accountable for meeting key political objectives
* change the American military mission to training Iraqi security forces and counter-terrorism operations
* maintain an over the horizon presence to protect American regional interests.

Learn more about the legislation at:

http://www.setadeadline.com

Now that a new Democratic Congressional majority has convened in the U.S. Capitol, a deadline must be set. The President must respect the real needs of our troops and the will of the American people.

Step by step, we will ensure that he does.

Co-sign the legislation:

http://www.setadeadline.com

Thank you,

John Kerry
"The essence of all religions is one. Only their approaches are different." ~Mahatma Gandhi
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J Jan55Old Faithful
Ed, The Right Wing will run you out of Alabama for posting this Kerry Stuff!! They may call Pat and Jerry from the wacko 007 club on you. lol


Ed,I heard on the radio news today bring the draft back will take place. How do you feel about the draft? I think,There should be mandatory draft allowing for NO deferments—it should include women and ALL economic classes. Every citizen needs to be involved and face the consequences of political decisions enacted by this government. Perhaps, apathy and detachment would be replaced with political activism.
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midknightridermidknightriderHall of Famer
Do you agree with this ? No questions asked ?

It sounds good, but how's it gonna work? I have a few questions.
1. Who decides how many is most of our troops ? What do they do for the next year ?
2. Who is involved in this "major diplomatic initiative" ? Why should anyone be inclined to negotiate ?
3. Aren't we already training Iraqi security forces ?
4. Who decides what "American regional interests" to protect ? To what lengths are we prepared to go to protect these interests ?

If you've ever read any of my posts you know I'm not a die-hard Republican. After 911 things could have been handled much better IMO, but they weren't so here we are.

You can't negotiate from a position of weakness, Viet Nam should have taught us that. Sooner or later you have to actually do something. Wink

Just more political BS to get votes, and I'll bet it works.

Some thoughts from a brainwashed, right-wing, Southern neocon. Now no one has to waste their time calling me names. Big Grin
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by pba:
Ed, The Right Wing will run you out of Alabama for posting this Kerry Stuff!! They may call Pat and Jerry from the wacko 007 club on you. lol


Ed,I heard on the radio news today bring the draft back will take place. How do you feel about the draft? I think,There should be mandatory draft allowing for NO deferments—it should include women and ALL economic classes. Every citizen needs to be involved and face the consequences of political decisions enacted by this government. Perhaps, apathy and detachment would be replaced with political activism.


pba, they will have to leave Alabama to run me out of Alabama, I already live elsewhere. I would add it to my public profile if I had the brains to figure out how to do it. I notice that a few posts say registered like mine does plus a location. But How that happens is beyond my limited comprehension.

ON THE DRAFT. Nope, No Universal Military conscription. JUST TRAINING. Mandatory Basic Infantry training to qualify to continue High School after the Junior year. Mandatroy Specialized training to qualify for graduation from High School. THEN YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN, BUT YOU HAVE TO REGISTER FOR THE DRAFT, JUST IN CASE THE US IS ACTUALLY ATTACKED BY AN ARMY OF MORE THAN TWENTY.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by just saying:
Reckon he'll flip-flop on this letter one day soon? All the deception and subterfuge may pay off, I suppose.


Just Saying, YOU have not been paying attention. He lost the Presidential Election but he is still in the Senate, and HE HAS NOT DROPPED A SINGLE ONE OF THE ISSUES HE SUPPORTED AS A CANDIDATE.

Kerry HAS NOT BEEN A FLIP FLOPPER, BUT HIS OPPOSITION WAS WILLING TO SAY HE WAS, DESPITE THE FALSEHOOD.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by smurph:
LOL,
ed, you soooo bad!

smurph I am worse that so bad, I happen to be disappointed that Kerry says he will not run this rime by, and I am seriously considering voting for Barak Obama in the primaries. HE, IS THE REAL DEAL TOO.

I've been a Kerry fan since 1971, I think he has more courage in his little finger that half the Republican party combined. Only Republican Women who have been willing to carry a baby to term and raise it compare, on courage, with him.
just sayingjust sayingHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by EdEKit:
Kerry HAS NOT BEEN A FLIP FLOPPER, BUT HIS OPPOSITION WAS WILLING TO SAY HE WAS, DESPITE THE FALSEHOOD.


Ed,
I was just being sarcastic about the flip-flopper. I was initally going to do the whole horse walking into a bar & bartender saying "why the long face." Anywho.

As for his deception and subterfuge, well, there's votes to be had...so yeah.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
I thought you were leaning toward Bill Richardson? Didn't you say that once?


smurph Yes I did, but he is going to have to do more than just form an exploratory committee before I will commit to him. The Primary season is about a year off, and the campaign is just beginning. I am intent on two things, left of center policy positions, AND electability. I am more than just curious about politics, I am involved with the inner workings of the Democratic Party here in Arizona. I am also old enough to recall the conventions that were the deciding factor in selecting a candidate slate. They are mostly gone, but I remember them.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
I thought you were leaning toward Bill Richardson? Didn't you say that once?


smurph Yes I did, but he is going to have to do more than just form an exploratory committee before I will commit to him. The Primary season is about a year off, and the campaign is just beginning. I am intent on two things, left of center policy positions, AND electability. I am more than just curious about politics, I am involved with the inner workings of the Democratic Party here in Arizona. I am also old enough to recall the conventions that were the deciding factor in selecting a candidate slate. They are mostly gone, but I remember them.
I don't get this, two tries to get Just Saying to post, and Smurf showing up both times. I must be getting old, or tired.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by just saying:
Well, I did ask the Bill Richardson question. Not smurph.


I found this site on Kerry. Kerry's flip flops
Looks like he has piddled in a little flip-flopping.

Also, did you really think I was going to take the bait on "Republican Women who have been willing to carry a baby to term and raise it compare, on courage, with him." ??


Just Saying I got it right that time. Still don't know what happened with the smurf thing, I caught the error the first time, thought it was corrected and it was not. I think I had something stuck in my processor.

ON THE TOPIC OF FLIP FLOPPING.

Every person, particularly political persons, gets pushed into corners with comments. It is virtually impossible to accurately report the thinking of anyone by quoting a snip of speech here or a snip there. EVERY reporter, including myself, looks for the strongest quote in a speech or comment. Sound bites, and that is what Kerry flip flopped, do not serve well for expressing complete thoughts.
BUSH, IS A FLIP FLOPPER OF THE FIRST ORDER. After Taking Precipitous ACTION, he tries to undo the harm, and often, thourghout his life, he has had to go outside himself to take care of problems HIS ACTIONS created.

I am not trying to go easy on Kerry, or Hard on Bush, but if you consider this for a moment.

I say we should DRAIN THAT SWAMP BEFORE ANYONE ELSE GETS MALARIA.
You say, IF WE DRAIN THAT SWAMP WE ARE GOING TO BE UP TO OUR ELBOWS IN ALLIGATORS.
I say oh...right...we better find a different way to prevent malaria.

I JUST BECAME A FLIP FLOPPER. But, because I raised the possibility of draining the swamp, you had the opportunity to say don't do it, we will have an alligator problem if you do.

I could have stayed the course, and then told you...YOU HAVE AN ALLIGATOR PROBLEM, TAKE CARE OF IT.

Which would you rather have for a City Mayor, a stubborn man who sticks to his plan regardless of the consequences, or someone who takes a position and then listens to the opposition. AND FINDS A SOLUTION instead of creating a problem?
just sayingjust sayingHall of Famer
Good point with the swamp analogy. I’m not dispelling the fact that everyone changes his or her mind on things. I’m not so sure that Kerry changes his mind to appease the opposition as much as he does to win favor with voters. Mind you, you know that’s my opinion. I’m not so good at analogies but I’ll try one for you:

Take my daughter, for instance. She loves her older brother and wants to please him because he will give her anything she wants if she does. Her younger brother wants to play a board game and chooses Monopoly. She agrees with him that they should play Monopoly. Her older brother says that he’d rather play Clue. She realizes if she doesn’t change her mind to Clue, he won’t favor her.

As for the Mayor, it depends on what the plans and situations are, as well as what type of people the opposition is. Just because a mayor might listen to the opposition, doesn’t necessarily mean hell find a solution that the opposition deems suitable.

By the way, please don’t bother about the mix up above. I just wanted to make sure you knew the previous question was from me. I don’t care if someone makes a typo or misspells a word, either. I do enjoy responding to you because you are decent in your answers and actually give me some new insight. Thanks for that. That all aside, let’s get back to debating.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by just saying:
Good point with the swamp analogy. I’m not dispelling the fact that everyone changes his or her mind on things. I’m not so sure that Kerry changes his mind to appease the opposition as much as he does to win favor with voters. Mind you, you know that’s my opinion. I’m not so good at analogies but I’ll try one for you:

Take my daughter, for instance. She loves her older brother and wants to please him because he will give her anything she wants if she does. Her younger brother wants to play a board game and chooses Monopoly. She agrees with him that they should play Monopoly. Her older brother says that he’d rather play Clue. She realizes if she doesn’t change her mind to Clue, he won’t favor her.

As for the Mayor, it depends on what the plans and situations are, as well as what type of people the opposition is. Just because a mayor might listen to the opposition, doesn’t necessarily mean hell find a solution that the opposition deems suitable.

By the way, please don’t bother about the mix up above. I just wanted to make sure you knew the previous question was from me. I don’t care if someone makes a typo or misspells a word, either. I do enjoy responding to you because you are decent in your answers and actually give me some new insight. Thanks for that. That all aside, let’s get back to debating.


Just Saying, apparently I was not clear regrding flip flops. I have been an enthusiastic supporter of John Kerry since his appearance, in 1971 at the Senate hearings. PROOF OF THE COURAGE THAT TOOK IS IN THE ENEMIES HE MADE IN THE BODY POLITIC.

Kerry is one of the GREATEST MEN THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER PRODUCED. His Grandfather emigrated from Russia A destitute Jew who had converted to Catholocism. Kerry, is second generation, and look where he has gotten. That is not done by wishy washy people. IT IS DONE WITH INTELLIGENCE, COMMITMENT, HARD WORK AND HONOR.

His positions have been consistant, reasonable, in the best interests of the American People, and fully developed for years.

The Flip Flop ASSERTIONS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CAMPAIGN SLOGANS, AND THEY WERE ALSO LIES.

Next time the RIGHT WING PROPOGANDA MACHINE SAYS THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL REMEMBER WHAT YOU JUST READ.

As to the remark about carrying a baby to term, I am the father of four and I cannot ever express the respect I have for the raw courage it takes for a woman to risk all to bring a new life into the world. THAT WAS NOT BAITING. It was a sincere tip of the hat to ALL MOTHERS. And, I MEAN ALL MOTHERS.
just sayingjust sayingHall of Famer
Kerry's maternal grandfather, James Grant Forbes, was born in Shanghai, China, where the family accumulated a fortune in opium and China trade.

Yeah, that's intelligence, commitment, hard work and honor for ya!

He flip-flopped plain and simple. It's on his voting records. Not that he's the only flip-flopper, but he's been there and done that. That's just a point. To say "The Flip Flop ASSERTIONS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CAMPAIGN SLOGANS", well that's nothing more than conjecture.

So now you say ALL MOTHERS. Your previous remarks was just addressed against "Republican Women." Either way, I gave birth to four beautiful babies and well, thanks...I think.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
On the issue of tax relief for married couples with a household income of less than $50k a year, Kerry said...

“Howard Dean and Gephardt are going to put the marriage penalty back in place. So if you get married in America, we’re going to charge you more taxes. I do not want to do that.”

When it came up for a vote, he voted against it. How is that not a flip flop? How is that helping the working class?

On the issue of ethanol fuel, Kerry said...

“I’m for ethanol, and I think it’s a very important partial ingredient of the overall mix of alternative and renewable fuels we ought to commit to.”

Kerry voted against tax breaks for ethanol research, and voted in favor of increasing liability on ethanol. How is that not a flip flop? How is that being environmentally conscious?

Kerry is more than a typical lying politician, he's a traitor to this country. It has nothing to do with what party he's affiliated with, it simply comes down to doing a little independent research and realizing that he's a scummy, two faced, waste of space. Anyone who supports Kerry is simply misinformed.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
Kerry's maternal grandfather, James Grant Forbes, was born in Shanghai, China, where the family accumulated a fortune in opium and China trade.

Yeah, that's intelligence, commitment, hard work and honor for ya!

He flip-flopped plain and simple. It's on his voting records. Not that he's the only flip-flopper, but he's been there and done that. That's just a point. To say "The Flip Flop ASSERTIONS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CAMPAIGN SLOGANS", well that's nothing more than conjecture.

So now you say ALL MOTHERS. Your previous remarks was just addressed against "Republican Women." Either way, I gave birth to four beautiful babies and well, thanks...I think.


and is the same family that publishes Forbes Magazine.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
Kerry's maternal grandfather, James Grant Forbes, was born in Shanghai, China, where the family accumulated a fortune in opium and China trade.

Yeah, that's intelligence, commitment, hard work and honor for ya!

He flip-flopped plain and simple. It's on his voting records. Not that he's the only flip-flopper, but he's been there and done that. That's just a point. To say "The Flip Flop ASSERTIONS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CAMPAIGN SLOGANS", well that's nothing more than conjecture.

So now you say ALL MOTHERS. Your previous remarks was just addressed against "Republican Women." Either way, I gave birth to four beautiful babies and well, thanks...I think.


just saying, YOU MUST be upside down or something. WHEN IS CALLING A PERSON COURAGEOUS A COMMENT "AGAINST" THEM?
just sayingjust sayingHall of Famer
Yeah, Ed. I must be upside down. Seriously, because you don’t see my point, I must be that.

Apparently you don’t understand why I find you singling out “Republican” women to be derisive heckling on your part. Had you said “ALL” women. Yeah. I’d get that. But on the flip side, maybe if you had said “Democratic” women, maybe I would’ve been offended too. But you didn’t, you said “Republican” women. It’s not the fact that you complimented a woman’s courage, it’s the fact you singled out Republican women.

As for Kerry: I offered my opinions, you offered yours. Apparently, he is not in the Presidential Race as of yet and we neither live in Massachusetts. So that’s all I’ve got to say about that.


To answer your poll. *HAIL to the NO!

*denotes homophone
midknightridermidknightriderHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by EdEKit:
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
Kerry's maternal grandfather, James Grant Forbes, was born in Shanghai, China, where the family accumulated a fortune in opium and China trade.

Yeah, that's intelligence, commitment, hard work and honor for ya!

He flip-flopped plain and simple. It's on his voting records. Not that he's the only flip-flopper, but he's been there and done that. That's just a point. To say "The Flip Flop ASSERTIONS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CAMPAIGN SLOGANS", well that's nothing more than conjecture.

So now you say ALL MOTHERS. Your previous remarks was just addressed against "Republican Women." Either way, I gave birth to four beautiful babies and well, thanks...I think.


and is the same family that publishes Forbes Magazine.



I know it sounds good, but I don't think it's true. I think I remember reading somewhere that Kerry was a descendant the Forbes clan in Scotland, but it was not the Forbes of Forbes Magazine. I think just saying is correct, but it sounds good anyway. Roll Eyes
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
Yeah, Ed. I must be upside down. Seriously, because you don’t see my point, I must be that.

Apparently you don’t understand why I find you singling out “Republican” women to be derisive heckling on your part. Had you said “ALL” women. Yeah. I’d get that. But on the flip side, maybe if you had said “Democratic” women, maybe I would’ve been offended too. But you didn’t, you said “Republican” women. It’s not the fact that you complimented a woman’s courage, it’s the fact you singled out Republican women.

As for Kerry: I offered my opinions, you offered yours. Apparently, he is not in the Presidential Race as of yet and we neither live in Massachusetts. So that’s all I’ve got to say about that.


To answer your poll. *HAIL to the NO!

*denotes homophone


just saying, This is what I said. I think he has more courage in his little finger that half the Republican party combined. Only Republican Women who have been willing to carry a baby to term and raise it compare, on courage, with him. Now, the half the Repblican party referec to is Republican MEN.
The remaining Republicans are women, of them, I think the courge demonstrated by carrying a child to term and raising it matches the Courage of JOHN KERRY.

NOW, YOUR OPINION OF KERRY AND HIS BRAVERY DO NOT ENTER INTO THAT STATEMENT, UNLESS YOU ARE INSISTING THAT I HAVE THE SAME OPINION OF KERRY THAT YOU SEEM TO.

I BELIEVE THAT JOHN KERRY IS COURAGEOUS, I BELIEVE THAT MOTHERS ARE COURAGEOUS. YOUR DOING YOURSELF A DISSERVICE BY EITHER DELIBERATELY SPINNING WHAT I SAID TO MAKE IT SEEM BAD OR BY BRINGING IT UP FOR REPEATED EXPLANATIONS, MAKING YOU LOOK RATHER SLOW AND IDIOTIC.

I would suggest that you reassess your misunderstanding of what I said, and What it means regarding the HIGH REGARD I HOLD FOR MOTHERS. Or take this advice, A WISE MAN HOLDS HIS TOUNGE ON THAT HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND, LEST HE PROVE HIMSELF NOT WISE BUT FOOLISH.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by midknightrider:
quote:
Originally posted by EdEKit:
quote:
Originally posted by just saying:
Kerry's maternal grandfather, James Grant Forbes, was born in Shanghai, China, where the family accumulated a fortune in opium and China trade.

Yeah, that's intelligence, commitment, hard work and honor for ya!

He flip-flopped plain and simple. It's on his voting records. Not that he's the only flip-flopper, but he's been there and done that. That's just a point. To say "The Flip Flop ASSERTIONS WERE NOTHING MORE THAN CAMPAIGN SLOGANS", well that's nothing more than conjecture.

So now you say ALL MOTHERS. Your previous remarks was just addressed against "Republican Women." Either way, I gave birth to four beautiful babies and well, thanks...I think.


and is the same family that publishes Forbes Magazine.



I know it sounds good, but I don't think it's true. I think I remember reading somewhere that Kerry was a descendant the Forbes clan in Scotland, but it was not the Forbes of Forbes Magazine. I think just saying is correct, but it sounds good anyway. Roll Eyes


Well, Forbes Magazine Founder, B. Charles Forbes has this history. http://www.answers.com/topic/b-c-forbes

John Kerry's family has this history. http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenealogy/a/jewpas_kerry.htm

Do they mingle? I could not tell for sure and do'nt really think it is imporatant.

WHAT I FIND IMPORTANT IS THE BCCI BANK SCANDAL, KERRY BROKE IT AND SOLVED A MAJOR TERRORIST FININCIAL STREAM. And OTHER LIKE ACTIVITIES OF THIS FLIP FLOPPER WHO WAS A PROSECUTOR WHO BROKE AT LEAST ONE ORGANIZED CRIME CARTEL, A MONEY LAUNDERING BANK, AND Helped to END THAT QUAGMIRE WE CALLED VIETNAM.
just sayingjust sayingHall of Famer
Your statement was nothing short of derisive heckling and vitriol on your part, and you know it. As you scroll this topic, you’ll find I only responded to your sneering remark when you, yourself made a reply to it. So do be so presumptuous as to think I keep bringing it up. Look back. In fact, ten posts above your reply, I didn’t bring it up. So you see, maybe then you’ll get over yourself. Bottom line, had you truly meant it as a compliment to all women, you would have said just that. I would suggest you reassess your misunderstanding of where I’m coming from. And that’s all I’ve got to say about that.

Kerry sucks in my opinion. And that’s all I’ve got to say about that.

And no. I won’t take your advice. It doesn’t apply to me. I understand the subliminal, acrid statement when I first read it. And that too, is all I have to say about that.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
The truth is always important. Wink


Well, yes, and if I have connected two seperate families of great wealth having the same name, I need to disconnect them to maintain my own PERSONAL balance. I appreciate the challenge, and still have no definitive answer, but the question is still there, and I am still hoping to find a definitive answer.

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