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FALSE!

 

What the Bible really says about "traditions."

 

Mark 7:8-9, " 'Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.'  He was also saying to them, 'You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.' "

 

Colossians 2:8, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."

So, Vic, my Friend, you can see that those Scripture passages prove several things:  First, they prove that your "traditions" are from man and not from God.

 

And, they prove the Foreknowledge and Omniscience of Jesus Christ, God -- for He foresaw that Roman Catholic church which would be instituted by the Roman emperor Constantine in 312 AD.

 

So, Vic, now it is your turn to offer your proof -- which consists of, "Bill Gray is a liar!"  Okay!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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2 Thess. 2:15 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”

 

It appears that the traditions that Paul taught were also those he took the time to write down. It doesn't make a lot of sense for Paul to author 13 epistles which cover most any subject imaginable and also have another set of teachings as oral tradition. I don't find any other writer in the New Testament commenting positively on traditions so I would say any "traditions" which were taught in the early church made it into the New Testament so we have a record of them.

 

But VIc yes we are commanded to hold fast those traditions which come from God thankfully we have them in the New Testament.

Hi Vic,

 

When I answered FALSE, I gave Scriptural proof.

 

When you answered TRUE, all we see is your claim, no Scripture.

 

But, then, that is the way you and the other Forum Roman Catholics answer -- make a declaration, no proof text, and expect everyone to believe it -- just because you declared it.

 

Personally, my Friend, I will go with God's Word over your word or the word of any other person, even your Pope.  And, as Red Baron has shown, even the one Scripture verse you claim as proof text -- does not really support your false claim.

 

You say, "The Vatican said!" -- I say, "God said!"  Who is right, the Vatican -- or God?

 

Joshua 24:15, If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Red Baron:

2 Thess. 2:15 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”

 

It appears that the traditions that Paul taught were also those he took the time to write down. It doesn't make a lot of sense for Paul to author 13 epistles which cover most any subject imaginable and also have another set of teachings as oral tradition. I don't find any other writer in the New Testament commenting positively on traditions so I would say any "traditions" which were taught in the early church made it into the New Testament so we have a record of them.

 

But VIc yes we are commanded to hold fast those traditions which come from God thankfully we have them in the New Testament.

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Very good Mr. Baron, you won the million. Tradition really doesn't change

anything.

quote:  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

I don't remember ever saying John 6: was the Last/Lord's Supper.   It was the teaching of what was to come.  How could anyone think the Passover was held at that time and/or place?

Hi Vic,

 

How could their be the Last Lord's Supper?   That would naturally imply that there were other Lord's Suppers. 

 

He only ate the Last Supper once, in the Upper Room with His apostles, at Passover.  And, that was in Jerusalem, not Capernaum -- and it occurred just before Passover.  The John 6 event happened in Capernaum, months BEFORE Passover.

 

Now, let me ask you one important question.  At His last Passover meal with His disciples, where He instituted the Lord's Supper -- He ate the bread and drank the wine with His disciples.  WAS HE EATING His own flesh and drinking His own blood?   And, on top of that -- He had not died yet, nor had He spilled His blood yet.  How could anyone be eating His flesh and drinking His blood -- WHILE HE WAS STILL ALIVE?

 

Food for thought!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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OR, they twist or ignore them.

 

"Thou shalt not commit adultery"

 

"Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery. And whosoever marry her that is divorced, committeth adultery" Matthew 5:32. But the seriousness of adultery is seen most clearly in the eternal punishment of those who commit the sin. An impenitent adulterer cannot go to heaven. Ephesians 5:5 says: " "No *****monger, no unclean person hath an inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God." And in Colossians 3:6, we are told that because fornication, uncleanness, and inordinate affection, the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience.

 

Did you hear that? Those Christians are so  hypocritical they will lie

about any part of the bible. Some even think they started the religion

and can twist it anyway they think will suit them.

They divided themselves into thousands of separate cults and war against

each other without any regard of the words of the one who created it in

the first place.

 

It's now fashionable to drive hate campaigns against each other all in the

name of their current persuasion. And of course it's a good thing to change

any scripture or history while lying, is it permissible and encouraged.

 

Hi all,

 

Just a wee reminder:

 

Acts 17:11, "Now these (Bereans) were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica (could he have been thinking of Roman Catholics?), for they received the Word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."

 

So, my Friends, are you Berean believers?  Or are you Vatican followers?   There is a difference, a  huge difference!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

Did you hear that? Those Christians are so  hypocritical they will lie

about any part of the bible. Some even think they started the religion

and can twist it anyway they think will suit them.

They divided themselves into thousands of separate cults and war against

each other without any regard of the words of the one who created it in

the first place.

 

It's now fashionable to drive hate campaigns against each other all in the

name of their current persuasion. And of course it's a good thing to change

any scripture or history while lying, is it permissible and encouraged.

 

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Originally Posted by billie-jez

 

All I did was to ask you where is the Bible you find anyone called Saint John of the Cross?   I know of John the Baptist.  I know of the apostle John.  But, I cannot fine Saint John of the Cross.   How is it tht YOU seem to know where to find him -- but, cannot tell me where to find him?

 

And, as usual with many of my Roman Catholic Forum Friends, when you cannot answer a question -- you resort to, "Gray, you're a liar."

 

Is that from your Catechisms?   If not, then who taught you to denigrate those with whom you disagree?

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smokey, I meant to tell you billie, will denigrate you for whatever you say.

And he is a liar from hell. His stupid questions are a good way of showing

his complete ignorance of over all Christianity. Don't tell him where John T.

Cross is located.

 

 

Hi all,

 

Let me suggest a possible scenario.   Imagine you are chatting with a mature Roman Catholic, or a Roman Catholic priest -- and you present the refutation I posted above.   Now, can you imagine a mature Roman Catholic lay person or a Roman Catholic priest -- giving the answers posted above by our unfortunate Forum Friend above.

 

But, what can I say?  I suppose the only help we can give to a person who is this blind -- is to pray for him.   I do ask your prayers for this civility challenged Friend.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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