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Officers are attempting to subdue and arrest a violent and combative subject when one officer draws his weapon (pistol) and discharges it into the back of O. Grant, the subject resisting arrest. In subsequent testimony, the officer that discharged his weapon testified that he intended to taze, not shoot Grant. Regardless of the courts decision, rioting and street violence is not justified and should be quickly quelled by police. An unfortunate event, to say the least, and certainly inappropriate, but was ultimately caused by Grant's refusal to stop resisting and submit to the arrest.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Officers are attempting to subdue and arrest a violent and combative subject when one officer draws his weapon (pistol) and discharges it into the back of O. Grant, the subject resisting arrest. In subsequent testimony, the officer that discharged his weapon testified that he intended to taze, not shoot Grant. Regardless of the courts decision, rioting and street violence is not justified and should be quickly quelled by police. An unfortunate event, to say the least, and certainly inappropriate, but was ultimately caused by Grant's refusal to stop resisting and submit to the arrest.


i have to disagree with you, the subject (Oscar Grant) was only a kid and had already been subdued, there is no way in the world lethal force can be justified, it's MURDER plain and simple. i can't in my mind even imagine why the teen-ager would be tasered much less executed, there were 3 police officers on Grant and several other officers close by, so by your thoughts, 3 trained police officers should be "justified" in using lethal force on an unarmed teen? whatever medication your on, please quit taking it. i mean really? have you seen the video footage? and before you ask, i am a
white male.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...c_Yw&feature=related
Last edited by onepatriot7
Yes, I have seen the video. You assume far too much with your murder conviction. Did you notice that the officer testified that he made a MISTAKE...YOU probably have never made a MISTAKE but under the stress of the moment mortal beings make mistakes...evenly highly trained neurosurgeons (their mistakes die also). It is obvious that you would like to see this flame into a summer of rioting and looting but I don't think you are going to see much tolerance for this. You continue to overlook the FACT that Oscar Grant set the wheels in motion for this event. I am not saying the officer will be completely exonerated, he might face a man slaughter charge...a charge and a conviction are not the same thing. I will predict that you are incorrect with your "Murder Charge". I suggest that you allow the Criminal Justice system do due diligence, a complete investigation, including autopsy, medical background for any pertinent issues such as bi-polar (manic), review all evidence and submit to DA/prosecutor to determine if he chooses to prosecute or send to Grand Jury for additional consideration. The prosecutor would also have access to all information relative to the officer that discharged his weapon. If the officer has a clean record, with no issues or "baggage", including Internal Affairs reviews he is less likely to be prosecuted.
You sure know a lot about meds...I guess you are a doctor as well a legal eagle... Wink
@ SHELDVR your a little behind, the Murder trial started on June 10th.

On January 13, Alameda County prosecutors charged Mehserle with murder for the shooting.

and yes, i am a doctor and lawyer, every other Tuesday... Razzer

@Wright, i just really hope this tragedy doesn't turn into violence/riots in the streets should the former officer be acquitted

for the sake of argument let's change the scenario, lets say a fight breaks out at a high school near you, 3 teachers (authority figures) intervene and have one of the instigators subdued on the ground, then one of the teachers pulls out his paddle smacks the kid in the back of the head and the student instantly dies from blunt force trauma the teachers excuse is ooops, i meant to grab my pencil! what's the charge? would the PTA and community be up at arms?
Last edited by onepatriot7
I'n not saying he's not culpable. I'm saying its not malicious. Negligent is more akin to his actions. Would I go to taser on a grounded subject? Probably not unless a circumstance required it. That is why I have hands. Its what he felt was right at the time. Unfortunately it was not and now he will pay for his mistake. And as far as rioting goes I hope you're right. But if it comes we will deal with it.
I watched several of the videos. The key in all of them is the other officer gets off of the suspect as the officer draws his weapon. It is clear to me that they both thought they were about to taze him.
Their stupified response tells it all. There is no way he could have intentionally drawn his weapon and shot this person with so many witnesses present.

Had to be an accident. Caused by the heat of the moment. He thought tazer, drew his gun.
I agree, the supspect was resisting arrest and ultimately bears responsibily for his own death.
After reviewing the video I have to agree with Jugflier, there is no way the cop meant to shoot that boy. I imagine the officer is already feeling a great deal of guilt and remorse. This young man's death is very sad, and the officer has probably already destroyed his own life career wise, emotionally and mentally.It was a tragic accident but an accident no less. I don't believe the officer should face murder charges or anything else of its kind.

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