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Why does God allow innocent people to suffer.

Why does God allow bad things to happen to good
people.

Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. to
happen.

Why does God allow sickness.

Where is God now, where is He when it hurts.

How can you know the Bible is true.

Who is really right, the faith of Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity,
Zoroastrianism, Scientology or the Atheist

Has there ever been proof of anyone coming back to life, outside of the Bible.

Why is there so much hatred in the world.
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The answer to a number of those questions is that God allows us freewill, to choose whether to follow God or not. That freedom causes some of the things you mentioned directly or indirectly. People may suffer, or have bad things to happen to them, or become sick because of the actions of others; those whose choices negatively affected others i.e. greed, lust, power, cowardice, carelessness, being inconsiderate, etc. Just a start to a very complex group of questions.
Would you prefer to be an automaton with awarenes, but no freewill? Rather having programmed software, but with a few limited choices. You would always do the correct thing, but might to decide to have broccoli, rather than spinach for supper.

We were made to eventually be fit companions to God, a being that created everything. For that we need a freewill, the ability to imaigine, to have minds that soar.
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
You really wouldn't want to hear my answer's to those questions. Wink


"There probably is no god"? Would that be it, Tacky?

Bad things happen because the universe is an unthinking, unfeeling inanimate object that obeys physical laws. This universe happened to sprout infinitesimally small beings that are struggling to understand their place in nature.

Enjoy it while you can' folks. In the great scheme of things, there truly is no tomorrow.

Thats my take.
I say God is also angry when he sees something like this. I would say also for several years now Americans in a sense have shaken their fist at God and said, God, we want you out of our schools, our government, our business, we want you out of our marketplace. And God, who is a gentleman, has just quietly backed out of our national and political life, our public life. Removing his hand of blessing and protection. We need to turn to God first of all and say, God, we're sorry we have treated you this way and we invite you now to come into our national life. We put our trust in you. We have our trust in God on our coins, we need to practice it.

Not my quote but I wish it was.
Hi to my TimesDaily Forum Friends,

Our Friend, Fish, tells us, "Enjoy it while you can, folks. In the great scheme of things, there truly is no tomorrow. That's my take."

From his writings, I presume he tells us this because, somewhere in his life, he felt that God did not respond as he would have liked; therefore God must not exist. This is sad, but common among folks who will not take the time to truly seek the Lord and to deeply understand His Word.

HippieGirl prays, "Oh Fish, I pray you find Jesus, while there is still time" -- and Geddon agrees. I, too, have the same prayer -- that our Friends, Fish and Deep, will one day find the Truth.

Then, Wallsgirl tells us, "'I say God is also angry when he sees something like this. I would say also for several years now Americans in a sense have shaken their fist at God and said, 'God, we want you out of our schools, our government, our business, we want you out of our marketplace.' And God, who is a gentleman, has just quietly backed out of our national and political life, our public life. Removing his hand of blessing and protection. We need to turn to God first of all and say, 'God, we're sorry we have treated you this way and we invite you now to come into our national life. We put our trust in you. We have our trust in God on our coins, we need to practice it.' Not my quote but I wish it was."

I would say that the situation in our TimesDaily Forum, which is really a reflection of what is happening across America, does not make God angry. Rather, I believe it makes Him sad; to see so many denying Him and following the god of this world, Satan. Yet, although there are many non-believers in America -- I know that there are plenty of folks who follow God and who believe Jesus Christ when He tells us, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6).

This has been proven in the not-so-distant elections when the evangelical Christians stepped forward to vote -- and our votes won.

Have we seen God truly, "Removing his hand of blessing and protection" from America? I do not believe so -- but, we are pushing our luck when so many in America keep denying Him; when our schools evict Him; when our government declares Him unwelcome in government buildings; when our Supreme Court bows to the god, Molech, and gives their blessing to the murder of 1.6 million babies every year in America via abortion. Yes, America is pushing His boundaries; but, I do not believe that He has given up on America or Americans -- yet.

Just as He saw the faithful remnant of Israel in 1 King 19:18, "Yet I will leave 7,000 in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal and every mouth that has not kissed him" -- and through them saved the nation of Israel -- I believe that America will overcome our rejection of Him and our bowing of the knee to the god of this world -- if enough Christians will continue to share His Word with the world.

We are told, in Romans 11:1-8, how the prophet Elijah did plead with God against Israel, "Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life"

God's response was, "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." I believe that God sees His "seven thousand" in America today; those faithful who will not bow to the persistent clamor of atheism and evolution; those who stand tall when the secular humanists continue to scream their mantra: "Separation of church and state" -- those who deny the humanists their desired monopoly on the governing of America.

And, in Romans 11:1-8, the apostle Paul concludes, "Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

Then, Paul concludes regarding those who refuse to believe in God, "Just as it is written: 'God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see, And ears that they should not hear, To this very day.'"

So, my encouragement to the Christian faithful who read and post, or who only read, in the TimesDaily Forum -- do not believe the false teaching of those who would lead you into the darkness of atheism and evolution; those who would have you bow to the god of this world, Satan.

Instead, keep the words of Jesus in your heart, when He told us, in John 8:12, ". . .I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
Heaven and hell are real, and one should not question the authority of God!!!! Homosexuality, is a sin, God created us male and female, and the two, he said, shall become one flesh. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. One cannot enter Heaven, if they are an homosexual. I belong to the Church of Christ the only real church.....
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Originally posted by jusrumors:
Heaven and hell are real, and one should not question the authority of God!!!! Homosexuality, is a sin, God created us male and female, and the two, he said, shall become one flesh. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. One cannot enter Heaven, if they are an homosexual. I belong to the Church of Christ the only real church.....


Not long ago, you self-identified as being Southern Baptist:

jusrumors
New Kid on the Block
Posted 30 October 2007 11:09 PM Hide Post
Me and my other two sisters all of us are Southern Baptist and God made woman for man, not man for man, or woman for woman.
Posts: 17 | Registered: 05 October 2007

TD thread link here

Are you now a recovering Southern Baptist in the wake of a religious reform within the past three months?

Stick with it, and you'll be a Methodist before the year is out!
SmilerMr. Bluesman, If you would only pick up the bible, you could answer your own questions, and we wouldn't have to. You are obviously worried about your demise, and rightfully so. You are searching for the answers, and they can only be found in the bible. God places in our heart the right to receive or reject him. That is the only thing in life that will ever matter. Everything else here is temporary. That decision is eternal. The difference is heaven or hell, the prize or the punishment. God gives every man/woman the opportunity to accept that his only Son died on the Cross to save us from our sins. He is the only way to heaven, not by Buddha, or whomever. The bible says, he is the way, the truth and the life, an no one comes to the father but by him. Him and him alone. Only Jesus Christ. Your questions are very concerning, and the bible has the answers to every problem, past, past present and future. It applies to yesterday, today and tomorrow and forever. Go ahead, I dare you. Smiler
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The only "real" church, is where-ever you share your relationship with God. A Church can have a temple, and a roof, or it could be your house, where you and your family worship.

I cannot stand people to say "My Church is the /only/ real church." It's extremely condescending. Smiler

As for this post:

The only one that could truly answer these questions would be God. I don't know why.

Whenever I hear of someone really great dying, I try to think of it, as God needed another angel. It's comforting, and I hope that it's true. Smiler

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Blues, I think you just opened the door for yet another Long winded, religious post, where people that cry the loudest over their beliefs, are left looking less role-model worthy than most. I hope it doesn't. I don't mind religious posts, btw, for anyone wondering- it does get a little tiring to read the same arguements over and over, though. Smiler

~Amanda
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Originally posted by geddon97:
Amen sister.God still loves you GF.


Yeah, god loves me so much that if I don't love him back, he will send my butt straight to HAYULL!

Does that really make sense to any of you? Seriously?


what makes sense to me, GoFish, is that there are 'laws' or 'conditions' to be met, for almost everything in the world..and we all abide by them, or face the consequences..WHY you think there should be NONE to gain Heaven as your eternal home, is what makes NO SENSE...
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
I cannot stand people to say "My Church is the /only/ real church." It's extremely condescending. Smiler ~Amanda



Yes, it is, but any Church of Christ will tell you the same thing. They are the only ones going to Heaven. Roll Eyes


It seems like that, most I've met that are of that denomination seem to have the same mindset. Which is kind of sad.

~Amanda
Yes and other religions, i.e. Baptist and Methodist and others respect that if a person, whether it be COC or BAP or METH, or whatever, if they do indeed receive Jesus as their savior, no matter the religion, then they indeed do gain heaven. I just don't understand how some religions deem they are the "only" religion going to heaven.

And God does hate sin. He loved us enough to send his son to die for us, but ultimately will unleash his wrath on the ones who don't turn from their sin and follow him. So inevitably if we reject his son, Jesus, then he will turn his wrath to them (i.e. his hatred at that point). I don't know about you, but were it not for Grace, I would be GoFish and BluesMan.

God even gives us the faith by which we believe. He chose us from the foundation of the world it says in Ephesians. So the chosen, will ultimately be saved and follow him. The non-elect will not. I don't know about you guys, but if I were you, I'd be pleading with God to hold back his wrath. It's not until you come to the end of your human abilities and figure out that you can't do it alone. We cannot even take another breath apart from God.

When we realize we have no hope, then we learn to let go and let God. But it is a life of continually asking forgiveness for blundering. No one is perfect except Him. We Christians screw up daily and have to die to ourselves daily and give to others, all the while relying on God because he who began a good work in us will be faithful to complete it until he returns.
What does this all have to do about church or sin. This subject has to do about doubts and questions that most people have wonder about. Like so many men of the Bible, Abraham, Mosses, Giden, Job, Solomon, Thomas and a lot of others all of which had doubts. It is about why are we here for and where are we going. All the questions has been ask and sought out for a many, many years.
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What does this all have to do about church or sin. This subject has to do about doubts and questions that most people have wonder about.

But when you get rid of your sin, there are NO doubts, bluesman, no worries, no fears about where your going.


Like so many men of the Bible, Abraham, Mosses, Giden, Job, Solomon, Thomas and a lot of others all of which had doubts. It is about why are we here for and where are we going.

We were created to glorify God. That's why we are here.

All the questions has been ask and sought out for a many, many years.


And the bible will answer any question you have. Its not just end-of-life care, its after life care that matters. And the question above where you said what does that have to do with sin? If he takes away your sin, then everything else seems to fall into place. The Christian does not worry about end of life. We are here, take our last breath, and the next split second, are in the presence of a holy God where we will spend eternity with him.

Smiler And Mr. Bluesman, I don't mean no disrespect, or any harm. I'm just trying to help you out with your legitimate questions.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
You really wouldn't want to hear my answer's to those questions. Wink


"There probably is no god"? Would that be it, Tacky?

Bad things happen because the universe is an unthinking, unfeeling inanimate object that obeys physical laws. This universe happened to sprout infinitesimally small beings that are struggling to understand their place in nature.

Enjoy it while you can' folks. In the great scheme of things, there truly is no tomorrow.

Thats my take.


LOL!!!! Hope you are ready to be saved by all the Good Christians on this site.
CrustyMac, in the most respect I can muster for you, WE are talking about end of life here sir, and the questions therein. I was trying to answer his questions, questions about end of life and the concerns about it, and it is very disrespectful for you and your skull coming on here making light of it. Shame on you.
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Originally posted by e:
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Originally posted by jusrumors:
Heaven and hell are real, and one should not question the authority of God!!!! Homosexuality, is a sin, God created us male and female, and the two, he said, shall become one flesh. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. One cannot enter Heaven, if they are an homosexual. I belong to the Church of Christ the only real church.....


Not long ago, you self-identified as being Southern Baptist:

jusrumors
New Kid on the Block
Posted 30 October 2007 11:09 PM Hide Post
Me and my other two sisters all of us are Southern Baptist and God made woman for man, not man for man, or woman for woman.
Posts: 17 | Registered: 05 October 2007

TD thread link here

Are you now a recovering Southern Baptist in the wake of a religious reform within the past three months?

Stick with it, and you'll be a Methodist before the year is out!


Good catch, e!
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
You really wouldn't want to hear my answer's to those questions. Wink


"There probably is no god"? Would that be it, Tacky? Not tacky, just wrong.

Bad things happen because the universe is an unthinking, unfeeling inanimate object that obeys physical laws. This universe happened to sprout infinitesimally small beings that are struggling to understand their place in nature.

Enjoy it while you can' folks. In the great scheme of things, there truly is no tomorrow.

If there is no tomorrow, we know where we're going, and we also know where you'll be. Red Face Eeker Frowner


Thats my take.


LOL!!!! Hope you are ready to be saved by all the Good Christians on this site.


That's where you're wrong. Christians can't save anyone.
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
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Originally posted by jusrumors:
I belong to the Church of Christ the only real church.....



So....those of us that are not Church of Christ are going to hell?
Yeah, right!!!!!!
Roll Eyes


My mother-in-law was CoC, husband and i weren't...we got the "only real Church... you're going to hell" speech often. My husband finally told her that if there was nothing but CoC members in heaven then he sure as heck didn't want to go there anyway.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by Shockey:


And the bible will answer any question you have.




Help me out, where in the Bible will I find the answer to the following questions?

Which side does the fork go on?
How does a cell phone work?
It's third down and 10, punt or go for it?


ohhh great....now i have the song "Drop kick me Jesus, through the goal post of life" going through my head Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by jusrumors:
Heaven and hell are real, and one should not question the authority of God!!!! Homosexuality, is a sin, God created us male and female, and the two, he said, shall become one flesh. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. One cannot enter Heaven, if they are an homosexual. I belong to the Church of Christ the only real church.....



jusrumors, I was raised Church of Christ, and attended Mars Hill for 8 years and I have NEVER, EVER, in my LIFE been taught that ours was the only REAL church. It is comments like this one that give COC's such a bad reputation in the first place. I always heard jokes from my friends(other denominations) that I was the only one in our group who could get into heaven. I felt hurt and confused...I didn't get it. But now I do, they must have met some of the COC's like you (Sorry, I can't think of a nicer way to say it) When you start telling people that there church isn't real, what have you really accomplished?? Other than turning them completely off? That's such a shame after Mr. Gray made some really excellent points.

I was COC all my life, until in my 20's when my marriage began to sour. My husband was out drinking all night. I was lonely, depressed, abused...and lost. I didn't know it, but I was lost. I stopped attending church. I needed church at that time more than anything but my embarrassent and shame at my spouse's behavior kept me away. I was out of church for 2 years. Any idea where the people I had known, loved, worshipped with for 20+ years were?? I don't know either. I never got one card, one visit, one phone call to see if I was okay. All they cared about was if he cheated. It didn't matter that he cheated me every way he could, as much as he could. Well, one day, a friend invited me to church, THE BABTIST church. I sat in the service and cried the entire night. The next day, my doorbell rang and 3 young women were there with cookies and they told me they didn't want to intrude, or be nosy about my personal business, but my friend told them I was hurting and they just wanted me to know they cared about me and were praying for me and if they could help me, they would. That is when I realized the truth. These strangers cared more about me and my salvation than my church family of 20+ years. That hurt. A lot. I got back in church and was re-babtized. The reason?? The first time, I only went swimming... I'm happier than I have ever been and view the Lord, not only as my Father, but also as my friend.

Just want you to know the only real "church" is where 2 or more are gathered in HIS name.

I apologize for the lengthy post.
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Originally posted by Shockey:
CrustyMac, in the most respect I can muster for you, WE are talking about end of life here sir, and the questions therein. I was trying to answer his questions, questions about end of life and the concerns about it, and it is very disrespectful for you and your skull coming on here making light of it. Shame on you.


Tell me about my skull. What do you think it means?

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