Palin: Not bad, for a woman...

Well, she does have five kids.

whatever it is she's got, we need it in dc!

because it is a figure of speech, not meant to be taken as sexist, so don't try and make into an issue...and probably a joke.

She is the kind of woman who would probably be honored to hear someone say "she's got balls." That phrase has become so generic, very few would even consider to think it is sexist.

It is very, very generic, and I don't think many people find it sexist at all. Women use it just as much as men. But for me, that's the bad part, that woman don't think a little better of themselves than that---and many don't, low self-esteem, eating disorders, confidence issues, abusive relationship---all common problems for girls and woman. Maybe it's because they don't have balls! Maybe it's such a "generic" and such a frequently used phrase, and planted so deeply in their psyche that they don't even consider it sexist!

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Originally posted by VixieVineland:
She is the kind of woman who would probably be honored to hear someone say "she's got balls."

Is she? Have you read somewhere that she would be "honored" by that, or have you heard her say that in an interview? If so, I would be very interested in reading/hearing it.

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Originally posted by teyates:
Not bad for a woman, sounds like shes got balls to me.

I don't care for that comment either...joking or not. It's almost like saying you have to have balls to be intelligent.

It's a figure of speech, no deeply planted sexism, no anything. Get over it and stop looking into everything and trying to be so PC

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Originally posted by hayssco:
It's a figure of speech, no deeply planted sexism, no anything. Get over it and stop looking into everything and trying to be so PC

OK, you've said the same thing twice. Perhaps you should go and enjoy a topic where you are interested in the discussion and don't bother with this again. Your contribution thus far has been bossy and very shallow.

What the heck is wrong with some of you folks?
She is a classy, strong and seems to be a decent person. My mother was also and we did'nt see fit to engender her in some fashion. Give the Lady her due and accept her as a viable candidate worthy of higher office. I think I will vote for her.

Palin?

That bloke from Monty Python?


DF

I totally agree Pineywoods. I wasn't excited about either canidate until now. I think she will be an asset to McCain.

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Originally posted by Mrs. Carl Brutananadilewski:
I was reading the "Sarah Palin?" thread that is posted in the Politics section, and I noted something that someone said, and while it's quite common, it is still disheartening.

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Originally posted by teyates:
Not bad for a woman, sounds like shes got balls to me.

Not bad for a woman? She has balls? teyates was actually touting her strengths and speaking highly of her prior to that comment, and I don't know teyates, so maybe it wasn't internalized misogyny, but rather a joke. Still, if there is a tough woman, why must we attribute her with having male parts?

Maybe she has some really big ovaries?

I have read many of Teyates comments and he is very pleased that she is the candidate. I believe it was meant to be a joke at the democrats for not picking Hillary. Just guessing.

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Originally posted by LMM:
I believe it was meant to be a joke at the democrats for not picking Hillary. Just guessing.

Yes, I agree LMM. I am absolutely not trying to blast Teyates, who is obviously very excited about this nomination, and seems to be a very pleasant person, it's just that I used his quote to point out something that is so incredibly common to see.

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Palin?

That bloke from Monty Python?


DF

Haha! That was my first thought as well, Deep Fat!

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Originally posted by Mrs. Carl Brutananadilewski:

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Originally posted by LMM:
I believe it was meant to be a joke at the democrats for not picking Hillary. Just guessing.

Yes, I agree LMM. I am absolutely not trying to blast Teyates, who is obviously very excited about this nomination, and seems to be a very pleasant person, it's just that I used his quote to point out something that is so incredibly common to see.

It will be centuries from now before we actually say that race, gender, national origin or religious preference REALLY does not matter.

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Originally posted by LMM:
It will be centuries from now before we actually say that race, gender, national origin or religious preference REALLY does not matter.

You are very correct. This evening I heard someone say, "This is 2008, there is no one who would not vote for a man just because he is black!" I was thinking, wow, you are awfully naive. Just as there are people who will vote for someone only because they are black, they will also do the opposite.

Naive and stupid.
If you don't vote for the black man you're a racist, if you don't vote for the woman you're a sexist, and if you don't vote at all, you're Un-American!
How about voting for someone because you have researched them and feel they are the best qualified. Now that's American.

My my...what a ruckus I caused...First let me apologize if what I said was offensive, it was not meant to be. I was not referring to any type of "hormone supplemntation device" but rather that here is a woman who has had the guts to stand up to people of her own party as well as others to do what is expected of an elected official. I probably could have used a better term, but it was an expression I have heard all my life, and it was not meant to be offensive.
I do believe that she represents something good that as a middle class male I can relate too. She is a family person. Though she has not advocated the legalization of gay marriage, she has supported their rights to collect insurance and benefits. She believes that oil can be effectively and safely obtained from ANWR, and that we need a clear cut energy plan. She is dedicated to her husband and children. She embraces the military, she likes the outdoors, and supports gun owner's rights.
She appears intelligent, articulate, and determined.
No matter what you may think of the Republican party , SHE represents something that is good in America. She is not the typical Washington DC politician. She can relate to people like myself. And I can relate to her.
So for those I offended, I will in the future choose a better choice of wording. It was not meant in a derogatory way.

I have been doing the 'happy dance' since we heard it ay work today.
i had already become so disgusted with this election i had ALMOST decided to not bother even voting at all. But wooohooo! what a ticket the republicans have now! I will be right there voting McCain/Palin,,proudly!

Teyates---You didn't offend me one bit, and I don't think you are a sexist person---quite the opposite. You have been touting her strengths, which is a great thing! My post was simply about language, and how strange it can be, how we hear these expressions our whole lives and rarely stop to think about them. I do it too! It's just interesting to me, it is so embedded in our psyche to attribute strong woman with masculine qualities, and weak men with feminine qualities, and that seems to be OK for everyone. As a matter of fact, we've heard it so often that a couple of the people who responded to this thread didn't even "get" what I was pointing out, and instantly became defensive and accused me of being PC. I was just making an observation about language usage. Like I said, I have read many of your posts, and I think you seem like a swell person. No harm.

Actually, STOI,


Perhaps they are.



DF

STOI:
Obama is not qualified to be President. He's never run anything and the wife takes care of the kids.
Fair trade, your Presidential candidate is worse then your VP, the republicans did it the other way around.
Biden is a hundred times better than Obama.
Palin has run a state, Obama has run a committee.

The Republicans placed the least experienced person in the number two position, whereas the Democrats did it vice versa. Which decision makes the most sense?

Never heard of the woman. Voting for Obama.

I had the same problem with Obama,never heard of him til his name popped up on the dem presidential ticket. Did some digging around on his political history was not impressed with it.
Same on Palin,never heard of her either,did some digging around on her and was VERY impressed with her political history,short as it may be.

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Originally posted by Taciturn:

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Originally posted by teyates:
Not bad for a woman, sounds like shes got balls to me.

I don't care for that comment either...joking or not. It's almost like saying you have to have balls to be intelligent.

C'mon....balls and intelligence are not even related...

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Originally posted by LMM:
STOI:
Obama is not qualified to be President. He's never run anything and the wife takes care of the kids.
Fair trade, your Presidential candidate is worse then your VP, the republicans did it the other way around.
Biden is a hundred times better than Obama.
Palin has run a state, Obama has run a committee.

.............Good Post !!!!

STOI,
You are saying that since she is the mother of a special needs child, she should just sit at home and do nothing? That is stupid.
When she gets in that White House, she and her family will have access to a pediatrician 24/7. She will have all the resources available to help her son and will have the ability to understand the health related problems of many families a 1000 times more than any one else.
To say that she would be a bad mother for taking this position is the most narrow minded attitude I have ever seen.
So for dim-o-craps, women should be barefoot, pregnant and STAY AT HOME!

Being neither a Dem or Rep, i try to look at the candidate. Ive been undecided this whole political season. I couldnt with a clear conscience vote in the primaries. With McClains choice for veep,.... that has changed. She has more experience than the Dems choice for prez and shes better looking than Biden. Seriously though, she was a good choice in my humble opinion.

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Originally posted by STOI:

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Originally posted by LMM:
STOI,
You are saying that since she is the mother of a special needs child, she should just sit at home and do nothing? That is stupid.
When she gets in that White House, she and her family will have access to a pediatrician 24/7. She will have all the resources available to help her son and will have the ability to understand the health related problems of many families a 1000 times more than any one else.
To say that she would be a bad mother for taking this position is the most narrow minded attitude I have ever seen.
So for dim-o-craps, women should be barefoot, pregnant and STAY AT HOME!

I am not saying what she should or shouldnt do. If I had the CHOICE, I would stay home and not work, but I have to work. However, some women need to work for their sanity - I have no problem with that - in fact I encourage women to do whatever they want to. The VP job is hardly a 9 to 5 job where you go home to your kids everynight. But, you can say the same for the military. I know its a hard decision, most of the time when people make sacrifices like that it is on a have to basis. I just do not see how a healthy balance can be made in such difficult circumstances. I am a single mother of two and I only get 5 hours of sleep at the most. I understand she will have staff and a husband to help, but some things mommies are just supposed to do and be there for.

By that logic, she should not have been president of the PTA, not run for city council, not run for mayor and not run for Governor? So you should only work, if you are female, because you have too? You want to take the world back to the 1800's when women were never seen or heard. She and her husband worked this out so why should any one judge her decision?
When your kids were little, did you drop them off at daycare, at mom's house, grandmaw? Did that make you a bad mother?
As for the conservative view, she and her husband were told their baby was going to have Down's Syndrome when she was pregnant. They said they would keep their precious gift from God and raise him with love. All life is wondrous and special. I only wish I had as much courage and strength as she does.
You said she would get us into a war, Obama is going to 'talk' to Russia and tell them to play nice. I would rather have a strong person of great moral character who understands the value of life than a pacifist.

After reading that she returned to work only 3 days after the birth of her baby led me to believe she must be one tough lady. Most women want more time than that to bond with their baby.
Notice I said Most, not All.

She is two weeks older than my wife. She has children, like my wife. She likes to work, I have seen the videos of her fishing with her husband. She has a strong family bond. The people of Alaska think she has done a great job "cleaning" up the corruption in the state. One of the first things she did after being elected was sold the state Lear Jet on E-bay, she drives her own car to work. She and her husband are familar with the Unions, they both work, have a mortgage and graduated from common state colleges, not some Ivy League country club where they teach you to drink with your pinky out. I can relate to her. The first true middle class politician to be seen in a national election in a long time.
Yes, she may sound like your aunt, or the lady at the drive thru, or even my wife. That is what I like about her. She is a REAL person, who knows how to mange a home and a career. I have not heard one governor of a state who has worked with her say one bad thing about her. Her popularity rate in Alaska is greater than 80%, when was the last time you found apolitician who could please 50% of the people, little alone 80%. Of course some are so blinded my Obama's Marxist rhetoric and his calls for "change", that you cannot see this is the type of change we need in Washington, someone who is not corrupted by the stain of the beuracratic mess we have there.
I was not excited about the election, but after he finally chose her, which I had been wishing for weeks he would do, I am extremely excited.

I think she's a good choice for McCain but I still can't get excited about him possibly being our next President. I think he would probably follow in Bush's footsteps but I don't want Obama for a President either.
The only choice I have is not voting.

Not so, Tac
You can vote for Bob Barr, the libertarian candidate. I agree with him on many issues but I still feel McCain will do better.


STOI, I am pro choice as well as long as its not related to a lazy form of birth control.
I don't hunt, but I do target shoot.
The 'someone else' raising her kids when she is gone is their father.
They also home school their kids, which I did mine.
A strong business woman who is still feminine, who took on corruption in her government and banished it, who loves the outdoors but still understands the need for drilling, who is the change that DC needs. The more I read about her, the more I like her.

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Originally posted by LMM:
The more I read about her, the more I like her.

Me too. Too bad she's not running for President herself.

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Originally posted by LMM:
Not so, Tac
You can vote for Bob Barr, the libertarian candidate. I agree with him on many issues but I still feel McCain will do better.


STOI, I am pro choice as well as long as its not related to a lazy form of birth control.
I don't hunt, but I do target shoot.
The 'someone else' raising her kids when she is gone is their father.
They also home school their kids, which I did mine.
A strong business woman who is still feminine, who took on corruption in her government and banished it, who loves the outdoors but still understands the need for drilling, who is the change that DC needs. The more I read about her, the more I like her.

VERY well said, I agree. The more I see her on TV, the more I like her and I think McCain fell on a "Gold Mine" for this election.

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Originally posted by Taciturn:
I don't care for that comment either...joking or not. It's almost like saying you have to have balls to be intelligent.

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Originally posted by RoadHawg:
C'mon....balls and intelligence are not even related...

You're right, I know some men that are not intelligent, but if you notice, I said it's "almost" like saying that.

Palin was a mayor when Obama was a law student, next argument about experience...

Biden is worried, seems Cheney and Palin invited him on a hunting trip.