Parents should be made financially responsible for property crime or any crime committed by their children!!!
Parents should be held responsible for their children's crimes. It's their fault for not raising their children right.
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quote:Originally posted by pba:
Parents should be made financially responsible for property crime or any crime
c You must not have any kids. Also what age group of kids are you speaking of ? I guess if one of the parents or a single parent could stay home they might be raised better. Life is no where as simple as it looks. ommitted by their children!!!
Parents should be held responsible for their children's crimes. It's their fault for not raising their children right.
In some states, parents are responsible for paying thier Child's fines or even restitution as far as property damage, etc; goes.
I don't however agree that a parent should be held responsible for what their child does, and being charged for it.. -Or- if their child is of an age to know better.
Sometimes, no matter how well the child is raised, no matter what they've been taught, and how well they were provided for, they still turn to a life of crime.
I know of two girls that I went to school with and lived near (one a next door neighbor and the other lived a street over from me). Both has decent parents, (no parent is perfect) that worked very hard to provide for their children.
One of them had a single mother and two brothers, the other had both parents still together, with two brothers. Despite both of them being raised well, they both are now in prison. (Funny enough as it is, they both had the same first name, too.)
Now, in both of these girls' backgrounds their mom's worked and took care of them. Neither one were left wanting too much, and they both had good moral parents. Each of them went to church with their families every Sunday, and were very good children/young teens.
Once each of them got to High school though, they both fell into the same wrong crowd. Nothing that their parents tried worked. My next door neighbor even put her girl into rehab and alternative school, to try very hard to set her daughter straight. The other parents (if memory serves) tried the same, only to have their daughter get pregnant early and fall further through the cracks, despite everything they tried. And again I mention, both are in Prison now.
Now, to me.. My mother worked as hard as these other two girls' parents, and she instilled in me about the same good morals. She also worked full time in a demanding job, but was still there for me.
I never fell into the bad crowds, mainly because, I was one of those children that learned from example. I saw slowly how my two friends (yes, these girls at one time, were my close friends) were changing. I saw them getting into trouble at every turn in their lives, and just seeing that I decided that I'd never put myself or my parents in that position. Now at 24 years old, I still haven't. I've never been in trouble with drugs, anything crime related (not even a ticket), or been to jail.
I have a great husband, and a beautiful 2 yr. old son. It's scary to me to think of the future, as my son grows up, and how mean the kids of today are. I hope that we do our jobs well, that he learns from his father and my example, and is able to be a good person like us.
My main point is, you can be the closest thing to a perfect parent as possible, and still your child turn out to be a thief, a vandal, a drug user, a drug dealer, etc; just an all around criminal.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing a child's behavior, but sometimes it really is beyond a parent's control.
A person should be held responsible for their own actions, especially when it comes to children of a certain age. If they are able to tell the difference between right and wrong, they should be accountable for whatever consequences that are accumulated from crimes they commit. Depending on Age, the older they are, the severity of it be worse.
That's my take on this whole issue, as long winded as it is.
~Manda~
I don't however agree that a parent should be held responsible for what their child does, and being charged for it.. -Or- if their child is of an age to know better.
Sometimes, no matter how well the child is raised, no matter what they've been taught, and how well they were provided for, they still turn to a life of crime.
I know of two girls that I went to school with and lived near (one a next door neighbor and the other lived a street over from me). Both has decent parents, (no parent is perfect) that worked very hard to provide for their children.
One of them had a single mother and two brothers, the other had both parents still together, with two brothers. Despite both of them being raised well, they both are now in prison. (Funny enough as it is, they both had the same first name, too.)
Now, in both of these girls' backgrounds their mom's worked and took care of them. Neither one were left wanting too much, and they both had good moral parents. Each of them went to church with their families every Sunday, and were very good children/young teens.
Once each of them got to High school though, they both fell into the same wrong crowd. Nothing that their parents tried worked. My next door neighbor even put her girl into rehab and alternative school, to try very hard to set her daughter straight. The other parents (if memory serves) tried the same, only to have their daughter get pregnant early and fall further through the cracks, despite everything they tried. And again I mention, both are in Prison now.
Now, to me.. My mother worked as hard as these other two girls' parents, and she instilled in me about the same good morals. She also worked full time in a demanding job, but was still there for me.
I never fell into the bad crowds, mainly because, I was one of those children that learned from example. I saw slowly how my two friends (yes, these girls at one time, were my close friends) were changing. I saw them getting into trouble at every turn in their lives, and just seeing that I decided that I'd never put myself or my parents in that position. Now at 24 years old, I still haven't. I've never been in trouble with drugs, anything crime related (not even a ticket), or been to jail.
I have a great husband, and a beautiful 2 yr. old son. It's scary to me to think of the future, as my son grows up, and how mean the kids of today are. I hope that we do our jobs well, that he learns from his father and my example, and is able to be a good person like us.
My main point is, you can be the closest thing to a perfect parent as possible, and still your child turn out to be a thief, a vandal, a drug user, a drug dealer, etc; just an all around criminal.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing a child's behavior, but sometimes it really is beyond a parent's control.
A person should be held responsible for their own actions, especially when it comes to children of a certain age. If they are able to tell the difference between right and wrong, they should be accountable for whatever consequences that are accumulated from crimes they commit. Depending on Age, the older they are, the severity of it be worse.
That's my take on this whole issue, as long winded as it is.
~Manda~
quote:Originally posted by dogsmaster.forever:quote:Originally posted by pba:
Parents should be made financially responsible for property crime or any crime
c You must not have any kids. Also what age group of kids are you speaking of ? I guess if one of the parents or a single parent could stay home they might be raised better. Life is no where as simple as it looks. ommitted by their children!!!
Parents should be held responsible for their children's crimes. It's their fault for not raising their children right.
Yes, I have kids grown and in college.
If they did wrong Dad&Mom did not go to help them get out of trouble. I would take up for my kids if they were in the right but not in the wrong,
No they shouldn't. In a perfect world raising your kids right is all it takes. Welcome to a world that is not perfect. A world where kids feel it is cool to rebel against authority.
quote:It's their fault for not raising their children right.
My parents were good people and they gave me and my brother the same upbringing. I have never tried drugs, i don't smoke or drink and have never even had a traffic ticket. My brother is an alcoholic that struggles with drug addiction and he has been in and out of prison all his life.
Raising a child right and having them turn out right are two different things. Somewhere along the way children have a weird tendency of actually becoming individuals and developing their own personalities... complete with thoughts, ideas and, yes, even morals of their own.
quote:Originally posted by pba:
Parents should be made financially responsible for property crime or any crime committed by their children!!!
Parents should be held responsible for their children's crimes. It's their fault for not raising their children right.
This is fine as long as the parents are allowed to raise and punish their children as they see fit.When other people start getting envolved with the raising and punishment of these children, then that should end parental responsibility.I do consider myself an expert in this area.I have raised my six sons,my husband's three children and many more nieces and nephews.They are all good, hard working people now, but I do remember a run in with my stepson when he was about ten.He had stolen batteries from Wal-mart. I caught him and marched him back into the store, asked to see the mgr.,and made him give them back and apologize. When we got home I grounded him for a week,but he felt that I as "not his mother" had no right to ground him and he told me that he was going to report me for child abuse. I found a switch and tore up his hind-end, then told him to go ahead, because now he had a reason to.He went to his room and it was never brought up again.He is twenty-six now, calls me MOM and visits often. Not one of them drink or take drugs.
My point is if DHR insists on getting envolved with the raising of these children then they should take over the financial responsibility,too.
I am not talking about brutalizing a child- that is not to be allowed- but parents should not be scared to punish their children.
quote:My point is if DHR insists on getting envolved with the raising of these children then they should take over the financial responsibility,too.
I am not talking about brutalizing a child- that is not to be allowed- but parents should not be scared to punish their children
Amen.
And a very good point.
quote:Originally posted by kontan:
No they shouldn't. In a perfect world raising your kids right is all it takes. Welcome to a world that is not perfect. A world where kids feel it is cool to rebel against authority.
Maybe they wouldn't think it was so cool, if they had been taught at an early age to respect authority? I felt that I was responsible for anything my children did before they reached 18.When they turned 18, I gave myself a party for a job well done. I told them that I had done my job-they reached 18 ,were healthy and in one piece- now it was their job to stay that way.
quote:Originally posted by that smart chick:
Have you seen where the legislature in CA is considering a bill that would ban parents from spanking their children? I wonder what the gang situation will look like in 10 years from now...
I always told my child she'd be well behaved or well whipped, her choice. She's pretty well behaved!
I think this is what your talking about: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politic...87654.htm?source=rss
Funny thing, when I was a kid and I did something wrong, I don't remember any debates over whether or not I should get a whipping.
Posters should be held to the same degree, if we write something stupid it is a refection that could be miss read to our youth.quote:Originally posted by pba:
Parents should be made financially responsible for property crime or any crime committed by their children!!!
Parents should be held responsible for their children's crimes. It's their fault for not raising their children right.
Sorry, but alabama does have a law for that
Section 6-5-380
Liability of parents for destruction of property by minor; exception.
(a) The parent or parents, guardian, or other person having care or control of any minor under the age of 18 years with whom the minor is living and who have custody of the minor shall be liable for the actual damages sustained, but not exceeding the sum of $1,000, plus the court costs of the action, to any person, firm, association, corporation and the State of Alabama and its political subdivision for all damages proximately caused by the injury to, or destruction of, any property, real, personal or mixed, by the intentional, willful, or malicious act or acts of the minor. Except, approved foster parents of the Department of Human Resources shall not be liable for damages caused by foster children.
(b) Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the liability of any such parent or parents as the same may now otherwise exist under the laws of the State of Alabama.
(Acts 1965, 2nd Ex. Sess., No. 99, p. 132; Acts 1994, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 94-819, p. 137, §1.)
There are others as well for more serious crimes. I think that the laws we have are way too lax. If you cannot or will not control the child, let someone who can, do it. I have two children, and I am more than willing to pay for thier mistakes, because I believe that they have been taught not to do things such as to have to worry about it. Yes, there are special cases, but probably 99% of the "bad" kids are really just products of non-parents. When I see an 7 or 8 year old girl walking 6 blocks to the store at 10:30 at night alone, I'm pretty sure that one child has no real parents.
Section 6-5-380
Liability of parents for destruction of property by minor; exception.
(a) The parent or parents, guardian, or other person having care or control of any minor under the age of 18 years with whom the minor is living and who have custody of the minor shall be liable for the actual damages sustained, but not exceeding the sum of $1,000, plus the court costs of the action, to any person, firm, association, corporation and the State of Alabama and its political subdivision for all damages proximately caused by the injury to, or destruction of, any property, real, personal or mixed, by the intentional, willful, or malicious act or acts of the minor. Except, approved foster parents of the Department of Human Resources shall not be liable for damages caused by foster children.
(b) Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the liability of any such parent or parents as the same may now otherwise exist under the laws of the State of Alabama.
(Acts 1965, 2nd Ex. Sess., No. 99, p. 132; Acts 1994, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 94-819, p. 137, §1.)
There are others as well for more serious crimes. I think that the laws we have are way too lax. If you cannot or will not control the child, let someone who can, do it. I have two children, and I am more than willing to pay for thier mistakes, because I believe that they have been taught not to do things such as to have to worry about it. Yes, there are special cases, but probably 99% of the "bad" kids are really just products of non-parents. When I see an 7 or 8 year old girl walking 6 blocks to the store at 10:30 at night alone, I'm pretty sure that one child has no real parents.
Teaching (and learning) responsibility
When my family and I visited a friend at her home last summer, I marveled at the "job chart" she posted each morning for her five children. Even the youngest, at age 7, had a number of chores assigned. For the most part, it seemed they did them diligently and without too much complaining. Maybe they just knew they would lose any argument with their parents anyway.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/news2/2007/01/teaching_and_le.html
When my family and I visited a friend at her home last summer, I marveled at the "job chart" she posted each morning for her five children. Even the youngest, at age 7, had a number of chores assigned. For the most part, it seemed they did them diligently and without too much complaining. Maybe they just knew they would lose any argument with their parents anyway.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/news2/2007/01/teaching_and_le.html