Patriotism...Where has it gone?

I would like to think that no one would try a stunt like that today, but if they did... I would like to think they'd get a Louisville Slugger upside the head! What a video! Shocking.

The slugger might end up somewhere else, even more painful!

Ah, yes, violence such as you alleged patriots recommend is truly the way to advance the high goals of patriotism. NOT!

The silly resort of the above three posters to fantasies about doing violence to the offenders typifies the redneckitude non-patriotism of all too many Americans. The true patriot recognizes that we are a society of laws, not of men and that civil order depends on respect for those laws. Such ad hoc vigilante actions as you three self-alleged patriots argue for is totally un-patriotic and you should begin now to deeply re-examine your personal perspectives on patriotism and adjust them in the direction indicated by the Constitution and laws of the land!

beternU,

Lighten up! You can anlyze a thing to death! Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar. And, sometimes being pizzed off at a couple of miscreants is just that. No actual yippies were harmed in the making of this posting!

Please say you wrote you posting as a Simpsons and South Park satire! Or, are Ms. Grundy in disguise?

Freedom isn't free. And we didn't get it by sitting on our laurels and inviting the enemy over for crumpets and milk, either.

I think that anyone should have the right to burn a flag. It is Freedom of Speech and it should totally be allowed. On the other hand, it is vulgar and disgusting and I'd be willing to take my time in the pokey for beating the love of the USA into anyone who did it in when I was around. It's all about being free. Free to burn flags, free to object to people burning flags, free to spend a little time in the lock up.

Theres a few I'd invite over for bourbon and strumpets!

Don't know what I was supposed to get on the link, but didn't get anything about partoitism, So I'll just make this comment, and hope it fits.
What we have had for the last 6 years is "symbolic partiotism". We are patroitc if we buy some magnetic ribbons that say "support our troops", and put them on the back of our Gas Guzzeling SUV's. If we Chritize the idiot of a president we have, we are called "unpartotic". We poured French Wine (which was purchased, therefore causing no financial harm to the French) down the gutter, calling an item grown in Idaho, fied in grease made from vegtable oil grown in the hartland of the country, and cooked by a method developed in Belgum "Freedom Fries" in stead of French fries in order to insult our oldest ally, France because France did not join with our lieing administration in going to war in Iraq. (look who't laughing now)
Many even called for a boycott of any French exports, and products made by companies headquatered in France.

Now think about this:
This president told us to be patrotic by "GOING SHOPPING", and "TAKE YOUR FAMILY AND FLY DOWN TO DISNEYWORLD".
At no time, did this administration, or anybody that I know of even suggest we stop buying anything from China. Why the hell not? China also opposed the invasion of Iraq, and refused to supply any help for that ill fated mission, as did Russa.
So, trash talk France, and buy more stuff from China. What a bunch of crap!

If the president had truly wanted us to come together after 9/11, he should have ask all for sacrifice.
Primarly, stop burning so much gasoline. Car pool, make fewer trips, when you trade, look for higher mileage cars , etc.
Shared sacrifice would help bring this country together in this venture, not "go shopping".
I picked gasoline as one example, because I believe that buying less IS the most patrotic thing we can do. A lot of the money we spend on gas goes to the Middle East, where it is funelled on to the terrorist. WE ARE FUNDING BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR AGAINST THOSE WHO WISH TO HARM US.

Uh, Intervenor, where did you learn to write like this:

"Please say you wrote you posting as a Simpsons and South Park satire! Or, are Ms. Grundy in disguise?"

And do they perhaps have a remedial English course? You should check into that.

Are we fighting for freedom or OIL? Hmmmm


In reviewing the history of the English Government, its wars and its taxes, a bystander, not blinded by prejudice nor warped by interest, would declare that taxes were not raised to carry on wars, but that wars were raised to carry on taxes." Thomas Paine

beternU,

You were serious, excuse me! I'm published and cited in some professional journals. Sorrrry, Ms. Grundy!

Ah, I knew we would not have to wait long for some to attempt to hijack the thread with left-wing hogwash. The thread has nothing to do with the current President, the war, or anything else in today's society, except maybe a lack of respect where it is due.

The video is simply about two cowardly, disrespectful punks, who while probably not breaking any substatntial laws, did manage to illustrate their own ignorance and intolerance.

And while they are free to act like cowards and fools, the first three posters here are just as free to take action against them, especially if they are willing to accept any consequenses. If the cowards do not like it, they should not commit the disgraceful act. They should not be protected by the very system they are protesting. You may argue otherwise, but I disagree.

And, beternU, there will always be those that are willing to stand up for what they believe. I know that is scary to people like you who would use the very system you dislike to protect you as you degrade it, but it is true. Call it redneckitude, or whatever; but thank goodness a few still have it.

beterNu,

"Uh, Intervenor, where did you learn to write like this:

"Please say you wrote you posting as a Simpsons and South Park satire! Or, are Ms. Grundy in disguise?
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As to my style on the thread, I would say I learned from Mark Twain or Hemmingway. Its called write as you speak. On a thread it is quite appropriate. Actually, the only thing I see that might throw you off is the "Or, are Ms Grundy in disguise?" The "you" that might appear between "are" and "Ms" is considered to be understood. Quite often used in speech and writing. This is not a formal format!

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Originally posted by aubfire1:
Ah, I knew we would not have to wait long for some to attempt to hijack the thread with left-wing hogwash. The thread has nothing to do with the current President, the war, or anything else in today's society, except maybe a lack of respect where it is due.

The video is simply about two cowardly, disrespectful punks, who while probably not breaking any substatntial laws, did manage to illustrate their own ignorance and intolerance.

And while they are free to act like cowards and fools, the first three posters here are just as free to take action against them, especially if they are willing to accept any consequenses. If the cowards do not like it, they should not commit the disgraceful act. They should not be protected by the very system they are protesting. You may argue otherwise, but I disagree.

And, beternU, there will always be those that are willing to stand up for what they believe. I know that is scary to people like you who would use the very system you dislike to protect you as you degrade it, but it is true. Call it redneckitude, or whatever; but thank goodness a few still have it.

DITTO!!!

I assume beternU prefers what the NRA refers to as call 911 and die!

I would like to read some of your works, Interventor. I've been published in the Tennessee Journal of History. Perhaps, beternU could share with us his publishing credits?

Firenze,

My writings are in professional journals for military logistics or the defense/military colleges.

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Originally posted by aubfire1:
http://www.keepingapace.com/blogarchives/sports/baseballs_greatest_play.php

What has happened to patriotism in our country? This clip gave me chills.

My only thought was that he should have gave these idiots a swift kick in the head as he went by. But, as he stated, his main goal was to save the flag. God bless America!

Explain your definition of patriotism?

Why bother? You and the left don't get it anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by interventor:
Firenze,

My writings are in professional journals for military logistics or the defense/military colleges.

interventor, I understand that, 100%... I have so many emails from our Troops over in Iraq, and I also have copies of journals of a man who is there for his 4th time...

It is all amazing!!!

aubfire, Thanks for putting that up, and thanks for reminding this old codger about how good it felt to know that even a ballplayer was willing to take a fair risk to protect a symbol that should mean a lot to all Americans. At the moment I am shamed by the filth that our government has spread on the Stars and Stripes. I agree with all who would protect it, and am among them.

The difficulty with the flag burners is they target the wrong symbol. With the Constitution being openly flaunted by people like Dick Cheney who claims to be NO PART of the administration, when he clearly is. People like Alberto Gonzales who says the Constitution does not restrict the government when it is operating outside the Nation's borders. People like John Kerry when he lays aside a fight for preservation of the sacred electoral process in favor of peaceful resistance. All, and it includes you and I, are guilty of burning the flag. Ripping the Constitution up and casting it aside, and ignoring the responsibility of citizenship.

We, as citizens, are OBLIGATED to hold our elected leaders, from Dog Catcher to President to the provisions of our Constitution, the Union, and the Flag that flies as a proud symbol of both.

Patriotism is NOT BLIND OBEDIENCE. It is joining in a movement to require that those who demand our loyalty DESERVE IT.

quote:

Originally posted by aubfire1:
Ah, I knew we would not have to wait long for some to attempt to hijack the thread with left-wing hogwash. The thread has nothing to do with the current President, the war, or anything else in today's society, except maybe a lack of respect where it is due.

The video is simply about two cowardly, disrespectful punks, who while probably not breaking any substatntial laws, did manage to illustrate their own ignorance and intolerance.

And while they are free to act like cowards and fools, the first three posters here are just as free to take action against them, especially if they are willing to accept any consequenses. If the cowards do not like it, they should not commit the disgraceful act. They should not be protected by the very system they are protesting. You may argue otherwise, but I disagree.

And, beternU, there will always be those that are willing to stand up for what they believe. I know that is scary to people like you who would use the very system you dislike to protect you as you degrade it, but it is true. Call it redneckitude, or whatever; but thank goodness a few still have it.

I don't see where you get that someone hijack your thread!! I don't see anything in your link that is about partoitism. I don't see any hog wash from the left as you say but did see some hog wash from the rightwing.

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
aubfire, Thanks for putting that up, and thanks for reminding this old codger about how good it felt to know that even a ballplayer was willing to take a fair risk to protect a symbol that should mean a lot to all Americans. At the moment I am shamed by the filth that our government has spread on the Stars and Stripes. I agree with all who would protect it, and am among them.

The difficulty with the flag burners is they target the wrong symbol. With the Constitution being openly flaunted by people like Dick Cheney who claims to be NO PART of the administration, when he clearly is. People like Alberto Gonzales who says the Constitution does not restrict the government when it is operating outside the Nation's borders. People like John Kerry when he lays aside a fight for preservation of the sacred electoral process in favor of peaceful resistance. All, and it includes you and I, are guilty of burning the flag. Ripping the Constitution up and casting it aside, and ignoring the responsibility of citizenship.

We, as citizens, are OBLIGATED to hold our elected leaders, from Dog Catcher to President to the provisions of our Constitution, the Union, and the Flag that flies as a proud symbol of both.

Patriotism is NOT BLIND OBEDIENCE. It is joining in a movement to require that those who demand our loyalty DESERVE IT.

Well Said! You make a good point but dout he will get it.