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There are obviously many different views on this forum, but you set the bar when it comes to drowning the forum with your sewage. You continually post anti-soldier garbage, anti-conservative garbage, anti-war garbage. The reason I use the word garbage is because none of your posts are used to debate facts just to incite the readers. For being anti-war you make a conscious effort to confront the masses every day. I just hope that you don't come into contact with many people so you can't poison them with your ignorant, hate-filled opinions.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
There are obviously many different views on this forum, but you set the bar when it comes to drowning the forum with your sewage. You continually post anti-soldier garbage, anti-conservative garbage, anti-war garbage. The reason I use the word garbage is because none of your posts are used to debate facts just to incite the readers. For being anti-war you make a conscious effort to confront the masses every day. I just hope that you don't come into contact with many people so you can't poison them with your ignorant, hate-filled opinions.



PROVE ITS GARBAGE!! You don't want Truth!!
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I just asked where your ten commandments post went. In the garbage, perhaps? A perfect example.


According to Jesus, as quoted in Mathew 19:18,19, there are only 6 commandments to be followed to attain heaven.
And you get to refer to your own bible, since the 6 or so that I own all have slight varriations.
AND I AM DOINT THIS WHILE AMERICA'S BALL ROOM CHALLENGE IS ON TEE VEE, COMPLETE AND RESPLENDENT WITH SKIMPY COSTUMES AND MY FAVORITE PASSTIME, NAVAL ENGAGEMENTS.
The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can't do. For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can't. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you'll have to square with that some day. And me, for example, I can let you drown, but I can't bring this ship into Tortuga all by me onesies, savvy? So, can you sail under the command of a pirate, or can you not?

-Captain Jack Sparrow
I am jumping in on this one since FI decided to make it a public issue versus taking it to private message.
If PBA is stating garbage,then I am a garbage mind. I WANT to know BOTH sides of the issues. Consevative,liberal,left,right, who gives a wild boar crap,lets hear and learn BOTH sides.
I find it quite interesting that ANYTHING even slightly differing from the present administrations approach is immediately discredited. Is that not a lot LIKE a form of propaganda in itself? Is that not a lot like totalitarianism government.
Have Americans been so brainwashed that there is NO DESIRE to know and study both sides of an issue anymore? If this is the case,God help us all.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I just asked where your ten commandments post went. In the garbage, perhaps? A perfect example.


According to Jesus, as quoted in Mathew 19:18,19, there are only 6 commandments to be followed to attain heaven.
And you get to refer to your own bible, since the 6 or so that I own all have slight varriations.
AND I AM DOINT THIS WHILE AMERICA'S BALL ROOM CHALLENGE IS ON TEE VEE, COMPLETE AND RESPLENDENT WITH SKIMPY COSTUMES AND MY FAVORITE PASSTIME, NAVAL ENGAGEMENTS.




What I post and why

my post is the kind of stories that are considered liberal media and if you will note, your conservatives complain about such posts and they call it liberal. I don't call it liberal media. I call it news. This is the kind of news that does not get reported on the mainstream media. You won't find this story on CNN, FOX News, and you people need to see through this. The right wing wants you to hear the bad stuff on democrats, things that they don't care about. Any story that pops up on any media, any message forum, that the right wing doesn't like is considered unAmerican, antiwar, anti-troops, and it's not true. Hey, if your mother robs a bank, no matter how much you love her, if she made the newspapers, it's her fault. She shouldn't have robbed the bank. Sometimes the truth hurts but we all need to know the truth.
PBA, I can distinguish facts from the biased reporting. I will be the first to admit Republicans have made many mistakes. You are so out of it that your common sense has run away from you and is no where to be found. By the way mainstream media presents both a liberal and a conservative bias. It's common knowledge that more journalists have liberal values. You have to go one step further and get the socialist view. All you bring to the table is propoganda as well so what makes your posts any better than the info by the mainstream media. Didn't you just show a Keith Olberman video trashing the Republican party and Bush? I believe Olberman's show is on MSNBC, which is considered mainstream media.
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Originally posted by smurph:
I am jumping in on this one since FI decided to make it a public issue versus taking it to private message.
If PBA is stating garbage,then I am a garbage mind. I WANT to know BOTH sides of the issues. Consevative,liberal,left,right, who gives a wild boar crap,lets hear and learn BOTH sides.
I find it quite interesting that ANYTHING even slightly differing from the present administrations approach is immediately discredited. Is that not a lot LIKE a form of propaganda in itself? Is that not a lot like totalitarianism government.
Have Americans been so brainwashed that there is NO DESIRE to know and study both sides of an issue anymore? If this is the case,God help us all.


You have been hanging out with PBA too much. You can turn on any news channel, even Foxnews, and find someone critical of the Bush administration. People are licking their chops to take a stab at his administration.
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Originally posted by smurph:
I am jumping in on this one since FI decided to make it a public issue versus taking it to private message.
If PBA is stating garbage,then I am a garbage mind. I WANT to know BOTH sides of the issues. Consevative,liberal,left,right, who gives a wild boar crap,lets hear and learn BOTH sides.
I find it quite interesting that ANYTHING even slightly differing from the present administrations approach is immediately discredited. Is that not a lot LIKE a form of propaganda in itself? Is that not a lot like totalitarianism government.
Have Americans been so brainwashed that there is NO DESIRE to know and study both sides of an issue anymore? If this is the case,God help us all.


Amen!!
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by smurph:
I am jumping in on this one since FI decided to make it a public issue versus taking it to private message.
If PBA is stating garbage,then I am a garbage mind. I WANT to know BOTH sides of the issues. Consevative,liberal,left,right, who gives a wild boar crap,lets hear and learn BOTH sides.
I find it quite interesting that ANYTHING even slightly differing from the present administrations approach is immediately discredited. Is that not a lot LIKE a form of propaganda in itself? Is that not a lot like totalitarianism government.
Have Americans been so brainwashed that there is NO DESIRE to know and study both sides of an issue anymore? If this is the case,God help us all.


You have been hanging out with PBA too much. You can turn on any news channel, even Foxnews, and find someone critical of the Bush administration. People are licking their chops to take a stab at his administration.


The mainstream media will take small hits at Bush so that the people, will think they are so called FAIR. They want tell anything that will hurt Bush, unless the people force them to tell the truth.Man turn off the T.V you watch too much fox news! Who do you think sold the people on sending more troops? THE MEDIA!! I Called Shelby's office and ask if anyone from Alabama was against sending more troops,she said more people from Alabama was for sending troops than against.
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People are licking their chops to take a stab at his administration.


I think my above staement covered this attitude quite accurate
[I find it quite interesting that ANYTHING even slightly differing from the present administrations approach is immediately discredited. Is that not a lot LIKE a form of propaganda in itself? Is that not a lot like totalitarianism government.
Have Americans been so brainwashed that there is NO DESIRE to know and study both sides of an issue anymore?]

So Americans have decided it the "lets get Gerogie" mission going on. And that is why he is already listed as the WORST president in American history? That is why his ratings are lower than an other presidents have been ? We are all out to get Georgie
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I refer to several sources and hardly ever watch Fox. I like to rely on my common sense not op-ed articles by your left wing news sources.


Sir, you need to use your common sense,if you have any at all. read Smurph's post and you might get it.Smurph is trying to make a point, please read it.>>>That is why his ratings are lower than an other presidents have been ? We are all out to get Georgie<<<<< Let me add this,by all means watch fox but turn and see what others are saying,then try to weed out and see through their garbage,op-ed articles are good to read too,but you also have to do some weed eating there too.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I look at all the facts and see through the biases. Just because I see things from a conservative viewpoint doesn't mean I am pro-bush and pro-war in every way. You are just upset that your party is not in control and it's easy to whine and play armchair quarterback.



Sir, I don't have a party and don't want any part of a party. The party is the problem!! GET IT?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$BIG MONEY=POWER!! Your conservative viewpoints lean very far to the FAR RIGHT!
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I am a conservative, not to be confused with the ones in office who claim to be. You must be a socialist. You act as if money is a four letter word. The irony is that you would like that money if it was divvied up equally though.



What does conservative mean? Explain please!!
I Called Shelby's office and ask if anyone from Alabama was against sending more troops,she said more people from Alabama was for sending troops than against.[/QUOTE]


Did you tell her you were the only one that knew what the truth was before or after you called her a right-wing, neocon that had been brainwashed by the corporate media ? Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I am a conservative, not to be confused with the ones in office who claim to be. You must be a socialist. You act as if money is a four letter word. The irony is that you would like that money if it was divvied up equally though.


For me I believe in less government, an ownership society, free trade, traditional family values, strong national defense, and pro-life except for a few exceptions.

What do you stand for PBA other than hating Bush, the war, and the troops?

What does conservative mean? Explain please!!
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I refer to several sources and hardly ever watch Fox. I like to rely on my common sense not op-ed articles by your left wing news sources.


Fighting Illini, I have to ask, are you a regular listener to "Democracy Now" and do you read the Daily Worker regularly, or do you just think you are going to left wing sources?
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I refer to several sources and hardly ever watch Fox. I like to rely on my common sense not op-ed articles by your left wing news sources.


Fighting Illini, I have to ask, are you a regular listener to "Democracy Now" and do you read the Daily Worker regularly, or do you just think you are going to left wing sources?


ED, I try to stay away from both extreme left and right wing sources. I don't need the views of the few extremists to guide my decision making.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I Called Shelby's office and ask if anyone from Alabama was against sending more troops,she said more people from Alabama was for sending troops than against.



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Did you tell her you were the only one that knew what the truth was before or after you called her a right-wing, neocon that had been brainwashed by the corporate media ? Roll Eyes


Good one midknight... Smiler
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I am a conservative, not to be confused with the ones in office who claim to be. You must be a socialist. You act as if money is a four letter word. The irony is that you would like that money if it was divvied up equally though.


For me I believe in less government, an ownership society, free trade, traditional family values, strong national defense, and pro-life except for a few exceptions.

What do you stand for PBA other than hating Bush, the war, and the troops?

What does conservative mean? Explain please!!



Family Values? huh? Your family values say tell me some lies.
It's not anti American to expose the lies, corruption and war profiteering that is going on.
The Right wing will do anything to protect its party.
Typical of the close mindedness of the right wing.
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I Called Shelby's office and ask if anyone from Alabama was against sending more troops,she said more people from Alabama was for sending troops than against.



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Did you tell her you were the only one that knew what the truth was before or after you called her a right-wing, neocon that had been brainwashed by the corporate media ? Roll Eyes


Good one midknight... Smiler



I told her that I hope some ONE runs against Shelby and beat him. But we know Shelby is a power house. $$$$$=POWER!

You say >>>>>For me I believe in less government, an ownership society, free trade, traditional family values, strong national defense, and pro-life except for a few exceptions.<<<<<<<<

Less Goverment? You got more goverment under Bush and his 12 years of republicans than you've ever had.

Free Trade? Thanks to our free trade our jobs went to China.

Family Vaules? Family Vaules to a right winger means abortion & gay issues only,and only use it against other parties to win elections.

you could give a rip about vaules! if the right wing did care about vaules they would been outraged by the Preacher and Mr. Foley GAY IN THE CLOSET WITH who knows WHO.You protect your own no matter what,That is the way you see family values. But watch out GOD IS WATCHING!


strong national defense? We have always had one and always will. we have been overstocked for years.
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PBA, you are by far the most ignorant horse's *** on this forum. I told you some of the things I believe in. I also said that the republicans in office have drifted away from these issues. Then you go and give your remarks about how you think I would answer the question.

I think this government has abandoned its fiscal responsibility, some of this has been due to the war. However, there has still been mismanagement of many areas of the budget.

I am a firm believer in free trade and believe this country is always evolving when it comes to jobs through our technology. The country has more mental capital than any other country which means we have a comparative advantage over countries in some areas while they might have advantages over us in some such as low skill jobs. This is because we are way ahead of countries like China in our educated workforce. Our unemployment rate is extremely low right now.

As for family values, I could care less about gay issues. I don't like the idea of gay marriage as does most of the country but I think they should be able to live together if they want in a type of civil union. The most important part of family values for me is raising your family the correct way. Teaching them responsibility and educating them so they will not be a burden on society. THis is the main problem. Too many 18 year olds having kids, only one parent around. Ignorance and poverty breeds ignorance and poverty.

On our national defense is strong but by no means overrated. Did you know the Carter spent more on defense then Bush relative to our nation's GDP.

PBA, what does the preached and Foley have to do with my values? Are you suggesting there are no bad apples on the other side (Bill Clinton), or are you suggesting that the conservatives should be held to a higher standard and that no one cares about the ethics of liberals?
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
PBA, you are by far the most ignorant horse's a** on this forum. I told you some of the things I believe in. I also said that the republicans in office have drifted away from these issues. Then you go and give your remarks about how you think I would answer the question.

I think this government has abandoned its fiscal responsibility, some of this has been due to the war. However, there has still been mismanagement of many areas of the budget.

I am a firm believer in free trade and believe this country is always evolving when it comes to jobs through our technology. The country has more mental capital than any other country which means we have a comparative advantage over countries in some areas while they might have advantages over us in some such as low skill jobs. This is because we are way ahead of countries like China in our educated workforce. Our unemployment rate is extremely low right now.

As for family values, I could care less about gay issues. I don't like the idea of gay marriage as does most of the country but I think they should be able to live together if they want in a type of civil union. The most important part of family values for me is raising your family the correct way. Teaching them responsibility and educating them so they will not be a burden on society. THis is the main problem. Too many 18 year olds having kids, only one parent around. Ignorance and poverty breeds ignorance and poverty.

On our national defense is strong but by no means overrated. Did you know the Carter spent more on defense then Bush relative to our nation's GDP.

PBA, what does the preached and Foley have to do with my values? Are you suggesting there are no bad apples on the other side (Bill Clinton), or are you suggesting that the conservatives should be held to a higher standard and that no one cares about the ethics of liberals?


Some of the things you posted I can follow, and even agree with... But the part of comparing Bush with Carter just really got to me.... There is absolutely NO WAY that anyone has spent the amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that Bush/Cheney has... They KNOW it is not their money, and they don't care who has to pay it back... it will take many many generations to get this fiasco straightened out financially.

Carter was deep into the Geneva Convention, but otherwise, he was one of those Presidents who really didn't do ANYTHING, he was just "THERE"... which doesn't speak good about him, nor does it speak BAD about him....

Bush/CARTER... Wow!!! Your figures are bad off on that one!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I Called Shelby's office and ask if anyone from Alabama was against sending more troops,she said more people from Alabama was for sending troops than against.



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Did you tell her you were the only one that knew what the truth was before or after you called her a right-wing, neocon that had been brainwashed by the corporate media ? Roll Eyes


Good one midknight... Smiler



I told her that I hope some ONE runs against Shelby and beat him. But we know Shelby is a power house. $$$$$=POWER!

You say >>>>>For me I believe in less government, an ownership society, free trade, traditional family values, strong national defense, and pro-life except for a few exceptions.<<<<<<<<

Less Goverment? You got more goverment under Bush and his 12 years of republicans than you've ever had.

Free Trade? Thanks to our free trade our jobs went to China.

Family Vaules? Family Vaules to a right winger means abortion & gay issues only,and only use it against other parties to win elections.

you could give a rip about vaules! if the right wing did care about vaules they would been outraged by the Preacher and Mr. Foley GAY IN THE CLOSET WITH who knows WHO.You protect your own no matter what,That is the way you see family values. But watch out GOD IS WATCHING!


strong national defense? We have always had one and always will. we have been overstocked for years.


Excuse me PBA!!! Who the HELL are you to tell me what my family values are when I have stayed out of this because I'm done with you!!!
How dare you tell me what my beliefs are!!!
You say "oh, I'm just shedding light on the truth! You don't want the truth to be heard!" Well I thank My Lord everyday that I don't have to listen to you for the truth! I don't need a liberal cool aid drinking fruitcake telling me that he has the TRUTH. In which your Socialist leftist links agenda is to bring down the government and make our troops out to be animals! Thank God I am smart enough to figure out what the TRUTH really is.
The next time you start telling me what MY family values are, you better think twice.

By the way in case it got lost in your Left Brain, CLINTON gutted the military AND he started the sea of jobs going oversees.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
PBA, you are by far the most ignorant horse's *** on this forum. I told you some of the things I believe in. I also said that the republicans in office have drifted away from these issues. Then you go and give your remarks about how you think I would answer the question.

I think this government has abandoned its fiscal responsibility, some of this has been due to the war. However, there has still been mismanagement of many areas of the budget.

I am a firm believer in free trade and believe this country is always evolving when it comes to jobs through our technology. The country has more mental capital than any other country which means we have a comparative advantage over countries in some areas while they might have advantages over us in some such as low skill jobs. This is because we are way ahead of countries like China in our educated workforce. Our unemployment rate is extremely low right now.

As for family values, I could care less about gay issues. I don't like the idea of gay marriage as does most of the country but I think they should be able to live together if they want in a type of civil union. The most important part of family values for me is raising your family the correct way. Teaching them responsibility and educating them so they will not be a burden on society. THis is the main problem. Too many 18 year olds having kids, only one parent around. Ignorance and poverty breeds ignorance and poverty.

On our national defense is strong but by no means overrated. Did you know the Carter spent more on defense then Bush relative to our nation's GDP.

PBA, what does the preached and Foley have to do with my values? Are you suggesting there are no bad apples on the other side (Bill Clinton), or are you suggesting that the conservatives should be held to a higher standard and that no one cares about the ethics of liberals?


Fighting Illini
excellent points, I would like to add, your analysis of the Bush Fiscal Responsibility is WAY TO GENTLE. Record Deficits, accompanied by massive tax cuts for the wealthiest five or ten percent of taxpayers is beyone irresponsible, it is tantamount to criminal.

Liberals also believe in fair trade in international markets, BUT THE OPERATIVE IS FAIR, NOT FREE. A cornerstone of the domestic economy is the Anti Trust Legislation dating back To Woodrow Wilson. The same principals should be applied in international trade.

The family values issue is a wedge. Human Nature, being what it is will invariably produce the problems you outline, and the solution is to deal with the problems as they arise. Preventing them by outlowing them has NEVER been effective. Enforcing morality is up to individuals. Family values require that parents take responsibility for the behavior of their children, and that includes training the youngster to behave like an adult when that time comes. Poverty is the result of ignorance, the solution to poverty is to eliminate ignorance. This means that society has a very large stake in public education. WITHOUT IT, IGNORANCE IS THE NORM.

Not only did Carter Do exactly as described, but part of his economic troubles were a direct result of OVERSPENDING.

A government that is seducing the population into supporting the Aristocracy is NOT A GOVERNMENT BY THE PEOPLE OF THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. The Bush Government is a government BY THE WEALTHY, FOR THE WEALTh and government of the people. It is by nature oppressive to the common people.
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
I Called Shelby's office and ask if anyone from Alabama was against sending more troops,she said more people from Alabama was for sending troops than against.



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Did you tell her you were the only one that knew what the truth was before or after you called her a right-wing, neocon that had been brainwashed by the corporate media ? Roll Eyes


Good one midknight... Smiler



I told her that I hope some ONE runs against Shelby and beat him. But we know Shelby is a power house. $$$$$=POWER!

You say >>>>>For me I believe in less government, an ownership society, free trade, traditional family values, strong national defense, and pro-life except for a few exceptions.<<<<<<<<

Less Goverment? You got more goverment under Bush and his 12 years of republicans than you've ever had.

Free Trade? Thanks to our free trade our jobs went to China.

Family Vaules? Family Vaules to a right winger means abortion & gay issues only,and only use it against other parties to win elections.

you could give a rip about vaules! if the right wing did care about vaules they would been outraged by the Preacher and Mr. Foley GAY IN THE CLOSET WITH who knows WHO.You protect your own no matter what,That is the way you see family values. But watch out GOD IS WATCHING!


strong national defense? We have always had one and always will. we have been overstocked for years.


Excuse me PBA!!! Who the HELL are you to tell me what my family values are when I have stayed out of this because I'm done with you!!!
How dare you tell me what my beliefs are!!!
You say "oh, I'm just shedding light on the truth! You don't want the truth to be heard!" Well I thank My Lord everyday that I don't have to listen to you for the truth! I don't need a liberal cool aid drinking fruitcake telling me that he has the TRUTH. In which your Socialist leftist links agenda is to bring down the government and make our troops out to be animals! Thank God I am smart enough to figure out what the TRUTH really is.
The next time you start telling me what MY family values are, you better think twice.

By the way in case it got lost in your Left Brain, CLINTON gutted the military AND he started the sea of jobs going oversees.




You say>>>>>>Excuse me PBA!!! Who the HELL are you to tell me what my family values are when I have stayed out of this because I'm done with you!!!
How dare you tell me what my beliefs are!!!<<<<<< Look Dude, No one is telling you how to do your so call values and no one is trying to tell you what your beliefs are! I just question the so called far right that wants to push their beliefs on others!
And we all question your agenda! Opps, let me rephrase that; We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. If you truly were trying to "truth" every post would not be from the leftist point of view. Get real dude.
Oh, re-read your post. Yeah, you were trying to "explain" my values.
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Originally posted by jaime:
And we all question your agenda! Opps, let me rephrase that; We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. If you truly were trying to "truth" every post would not be from the leftist point of view. Get real dude.
Oh, re-read your post. Yeah, you were trying to "explain" my values.


jaime Of course he only presents arguement in favor of his position. The quickest way to loose a debate is to argue with yourself. His onslaught is having the desired effect, you are becoming defensive of YOUR position, and We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. Change two words, "liberal" and "leftist" to "conservative" and "fascist" and you are describing your own position.

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