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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by jaime:
And we all question your agenda! Opps, let me rephrase that; We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. If you truly were trying to "truth" every post would not be from the leftist point of view. Get real dude.
Oh, re-read your post. Yeah, you were trying to "explain" my values.


jaime Of course he only presents arguement in favor of his position. The quickest way to loose a debate is to argue with yourself. His onslaught is having the desired effect, you are becoming defensive of YOUR position, and We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. Change two words, "liberal" and "leftist" to "conservative" and "fascist" and you are describing your own position.


So now I am a fascist?... Good grief, first lesson for you... Facist is not the opposite of leftist. I at least thought you were smarter than that.
To those of you who believe family values are a legitimate concenrn of GOVERNMENT.

They are the legitimate concern of the Church.
They are the ligitimate concern of the family.
They are individual and specific, and of no concern to others unless they force others to follow them
FAMILY VALUES, as Described by J Fallwell, P Robertson and Dr. Dobson are FINE VALUES, BUT THEY ARE NOT LEGITIMATE SUBJECTS OF LEGISLATION. Roe V Wade did not MANDATE ABORTION. It decriminalized it. That is the position in the legal and moral jungle it should be in. DECRIMINALIZED, Not DeIMMORALIZED, Not Made Moral, Not Made Criminal. Made private between one woman, one doctor and one god.
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Originally posted by jaime:
And we all question your agenda! Opps, let me rephrase that; We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. If you truly were trying to "truth" every post would not be from the leftist point of view. Get real dude.
Oh, re-read your post. Yeah, you were trying to "explain" my values.




I'am no more spreading liberal leftist agenda,Then you spraeding the right wing agenda.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Deficits since 1940

Just so everybody understands the truth about our "RECORD" deficit I have posted a link to the above table. I don't care what the dollar amount of the deficit is because of inflation. Look at the %'s. It's not NEAR as bad as the MSM and the lib's make it sound.


Southern Patriot If those deficits and DEBT figures had been combined as a % of GNP or GDP or as Per Capita % of individual net worth or income they would look different and STILL BE RECORD HIGHS. Just taking the cost of the war out of them would bring them to less than the debt after WW II, and discounting the effect on revenue the Depression created up to 1940 also changes them.

You are correct, about SOUNDING bad. But IT IS STILL A RECORD HIGH DEFICIT.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
And we all question your agenda! Opps, let me rephrase that; We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. If you truly were trying to "truth" every post would not be from the leftist point of view. Get real dude.
Oh, re-read your post. Yeah, you were trying to "explain" my values.




I'am no more spreading liberal leftist agenda,Then you spraeding the right wing agenda.


Look at your post number verses mine. It's fairly obvious. We're not stupid.
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Originally posted by just saying:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Change two words, "liberal" and "leftist" to "conservative" and "fascist" and you are describing your own position.


Wouldn't it be "liberal" and "leftist" vs. "conservative" and "right-wing". Unless you change "leftist" to "communism" or "anarchism"?



According to the Right WING,THE RIGHIES,THE PUBS THAT SPREAD HATE.
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by jaime:
And we all question your agenda! Opps, let me rephrase that; We all know your agenda is not to present the other side of the issue so we can "see both sides", but to spread your liberal leftist agenda. If you truly were trying to "truth" every post would not be from the leftist point of view. Get real dude.
Oh, re-read your post. Yeah, you were trying to "explain" my values.




I'am no more spreading liberal leftist agenda,Then you spraeding the right wing agenda.


Look at your post number verses mine. It's fairly obvious. We're not stupid.



I guess you don't have anything to talk about or share is why you don't post. you don't reply too much either.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Deficits since 1940

Just so everybody understands the truth about our "RECORD" deficit I have posted a link to the above table. I don't care what the dollar amount of the deficit is because of inflation. Look at the %'s. It's not NEAR as bad as the MSM and the lib's make it sound.


Southern Patriot If those deficits and DEBT figures had been combined as a % of GNP or GDP or as Per Capita % of individual net worth or income they would look different and STILL BE RECORD HIGHS. Just taking the cost of the war out of them would bring them to less than the debt after WW II, and discounting the effect on revenue the Depression created up to 1940 also changes them.

You are correct, about SOUNDING bad. But IT IS STILL A RECORD HIGH DEFICIT.




Its so sad that the people who are hit the most with the capitalist system are its biggest supporters . Capitalism is a system where an economy is controlled by private individuals , and is accompanied by exploitation of other countries through multi-national corporations . Wealthy businessmen use their huge profits to corrupt the government and make it work for them , while neglecting and exploiting the rest of the people . How can rightists call this democracy ? It's nothing else but a financial dictatorship and leads to a never ending cycle of wars .
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Originally posted by just saying:
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Originally posted by pba:
According to the Right WING,THE RIGHIES,THE PUBS THAT SPREAD HATE.


Come again? What are you saying?




Wouldn't it be "liberal" and "leftist" vs. "conservative" and "right-wing". Unless you change "leftist" to "communism" or "anarchism"?
According to the Right WING,THE RIGHIES,THE PUBS THAT SPREAD HATE, THE ABOUE IS RIGHT.
I tell you what PBA. I'll go round up all of those here in the states that want to head to Venezuela or Cuba and you go to either of those countries and round up all of those who want to come to the states. I wouldn't even fill up a car because there would no takers. You would need more planes, trains, and automobiles than are available to get all of those people.

I understand your desire to spread your opinions but you lose all credibility when you make idiotic statements like that.

If worse comes to worse I would rather live under a financial dictatorship as you call it than a tyrant who kills those who disagree.
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Originally posted by pba:THE RIGHIES,THE PUBS THAT SPREAD HATE, THE ABOUE IS RIGHT.


Actually, my reply was, in all fairness, the comparisons made with saying:
“liberal” as to “leftist” and unfairly saying “conservative” as to “fascist.”

To me, that’s just aesthetic terms in the eyes of a liberal. Had nothing to do with “pubs that spread hate” – whatever you are inferring with that.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I tell you what PBA. I'll go round up all of those here in the states that want to head to Venezuela or Cuba and you go to either of those countries and round up all of those who want to come to the states. I wouldn't even fill up a car because there would no takers. You would need more planes, trains, and automobiles than are available to get all of those people.

I understand your desire to spread your opinions but you lose all credibility when you make idiotic statements like that.

If worse comes to worse I would rather live under a financial dictatorship as you call it than a tyrant who kills those who disagree.


You twist words well,yes I can see you would not have a problem with dictatorship!!

It's an old US strategy. That's why we see the ethnic fighting today in Iraq. They are trying to use it in Lebanon and Palestine now too.

In Kosovo the CIA backed the KLA, who were deliberately staging attacks against Serb forces and police. They were also smuggling drugs to pay for this covert action. A typical move by the CIA. Mislovic fell for the provocation's and cracked down heard. It was a trap.

There was ethnic cleansing on all sides. The Croatians were the worse and started in on the Muslims immediately and then the Serbs. They still had remnants of the old Nazi's who were extremely brutal. The Stashi they were called, or something like that. I forget right now, They were notorious fascist murderers and committed brutal atrocities and some of these old grudges held on for decades after WW2. Even today the fascists parties thrive in Croatia. These are ethnic conflicts that go back generations.

Another point was Mislovic agreed to UN peace keeping forces but the US refused and wanted to use NATO because we control NATO. Mislovic rejected NATO troops knowing they were not there to keep peace but to help US and western interests.

Typical of the right wing though. How they were against one war when run by a democrat yet call it treason to oppose their war.

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