Just wondering if PBA54 is a local, a resident of the Shoals or has any ties, or is just someone hitting every forum he can with links to national media reports that bash Bush, our country, and anyone that considers themselves a conservative.

Do tell, what is your agenda?
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.


And please dont confuse people who think the 'cause' (because the reasons of the 'cause' changes every month) is not right as being Anti-American... The Heart of Dixie loves America just like anyone else does... But, like you, we are AMERICANS and we have the right to disagree with things we don't think is right.

I see PB hasn't answered the question either.
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.


jptorisky, I agree with what you are saying here, but one thing that bothers me is the "labeling" of people.

Right Wing, Left Wing, Liberal, Conservative... all labels, when all we are is simple people with minds of our own. I don't go by a label, and therefore, I don't like for someone who doesn't even know me to label me.

Bush was SUPPOSED to be conservative, but that went out the window a long time ago, even Condi said that in her interview, because Conservatives are not supposed to be so wrought up in WAR and lost lives, that the only answer she could give is that they were "thinking" with more liberal thoughts these days... (Pre-2007)
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.

Jptorisky,

Have you considered the possibility that People are beginning to CHANGE their minds? Is it remotely possible that the San Francisco liberals caught on quicker than the Shoals? Is it within your power to consider that the US has gone from about 80% to about 30% approval of GW Bush?

Note to imho...I cannot speak for PBA 54, BUT I am not a resident of Alabama. I am also Not going from forum to forum bashing Bush. I don't even think Bush is responsible for the fine mess we've been gotten into.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.

Jptorisky,

Have you considered the possibility that People are beginning to CHANGE their minds? Is it remotely possible that the San Francisco liberals caught on quicker than the Shoals? Is it within your power to consider that the US has gone from about 80% to about 30% approval of GW Bush?

Note to imho...I cannot speak for PBA 54, BUT I am not a resident of Alabama. I am also Not going from forum to forum bashing Bush. I don't even think Bush is responsible for the fine mess we've been gotten into.


Google in "America's worst President" and see what you get Frowner And I am unhappy with him and the drama that has surrounded him since November 2000.

And you are totally correct, Americans are changing their minds so fast, it is hard to keep up with it. People are NOW seeing that their sons, daughters, neices, nephews, grandkids could be on the next list to go, and maybe not come back.

With all this increasing that Bush is wanting, pretty soon, the ONLY option he and his cronies will have is to initiate the draft, and people are looking ahead to and deciding to jump ship on his support.

God in Heaven help us... the can of worms that have been opened will be just too hard, if not impossible to close.
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[quote]God in Heaven help us... the can of worms that have been opened will be just too hard, if not impossible to close.


Its really that bad huh? 3,000 troops killed in a war vs. 160,000 in car wrecks right here at home over the same period of time.

"God in heaven help us"? The U.S. military hasn't lost a battle. People like you are losing the war for them.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.


jptorisky, I agree with what you are saying here, but one thing that bothers me is the "labeling" of people.

Right Wing, Left Wing, Liberal, Conservative... all labels, when all we are is simple people with minds of our own. I don't go by a label, and therefore, I don't like for someone who doesn't even know me to label me.

Bush was SUPPOSED to be conservative, but that went out the window a long time ago, even Condi said that in her interview, because Conservatives are not supposed to be so wrought up in WAR and lost lives, that the only answer she could give is that they were "thinking" with more liberal thoughts these days... (Pre-2007)


Whether you like it or not we are all labeled. That is the way the country works. I am not saying all liberals are evil but I am generalizing their ideals. No one agrees whole-heartedly with their party's beliefs. However, there are some central values that all share in common with each other. You can't argue with that. I also believe that Bush is not truly conservative in his actions either, as is evident by his massive spending.

I think that this whole nation is slowly moving to the left and it is the unraveling of our country. No one is held responsible for anything anymore. Government will fix everything. Family values are a thing of the past and heaven forbid anyone mention the word, "GOD"!
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a messs the past 6 years, then a little move to the left might be constructive


Elijah.... I AGREE!!!

I, myself is JUST myself, no bells, no whistles and NO LABELS... I THINK for myself, dont have to have a Liberal tell me how to think, and I dont have to have a Conservative tell me how to think... Left Wing, Right Wing or Buffalo Wing... am not none of those either, lol.

NOT ME... ya see? I have a BRAIN and an EDUCATION and a 26 year old CAREER to go with my BRAIN that I use to think with.
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a mess the past 6 years, a little move to the left might be constructive



Masses of Conservatives are jumping ship right now and taking a more liberal view... (NOT TO LABEL ANYONE THOUGH Wink ) but that is what is happening, because they see what is happening, (took 'em six years) to actually SEE what is going on in our country and they just dont like it anymore.
We are fighting a war of attrition...hit and run...city fighting [the most dangerous for an aggressive army]....use banal means of warfare...no large confrontations on their part...no large loss of insurgents...use our own media against us....20,000 more troops will not help kill an enemy when strength of force doesn't matter..this sound familiar to anyone...
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.




If you don't believe in the US Constitution, get the out of here. If you don't support the Bill of Rights, then YOU are Anti-American. Go move to Russia, Cuba, or China; move anywhere but get the hell out of my country. The only reason our soldiers are dying in this war is because the people that you voted into office sent them off to fight for someone else. Own up to your mistakes and quit trying to trade my liberty for your false sense of security.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a messs the past 6 years, then a little move to the left might be constructive


Elijah.... I AGREE!!!

I, myself is JUST myself, no bells, no whistles and NO LABELS... I THINK for myself, dont have to have a Liberal tell me how to think, and I dont have to have a Conservative tell me how to think... Left Wing, Right Wing or Buffalo Wing... am not none of those either, lol.

NOT ME... ya see? I have a BRAIN and an EDUCATION and a 26 year old CAREER to go with my BRAIN that I use to think with.


Amen!!
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Originally posted by elijah495:
We are fighting a war of attrition...hit and run...city fighting [the most dangerous for an aggressive army]....use banal means of warfare...no large confrontations on their part...no large loss of insurgents...use our own media against us....20,000 more troops will not help kill an enemy when strength of force doesn't matter..this sound familiar to anyone...


As a matter of fact, Elijah, it does...
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.




If you don't believe in the US Constitution, get the out of here. If you don't support the Bill of Rights, then YOU are Anti-American. Go move to Russia, Cuba, or China; move anywhere but get the hell out of my country. The only reason our soldiers are dying in this war is because the people that you voted into office sent them off to fight for someone else. Own up to your mistakes and quit trying to trade my liberty for your false sense of security.


This post is about your being local, how does it turn into you telling your fellow AMERICAN to go to another country???

Are YOU from another country? Are you 16 years old? Both may apply here, because you sure are mood-swinging on us.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.




If you don't believe in the US Constitution, get the out of here. If you don't support the Bill of Rights, then YOU are Anti-American. Go move to Russia, Cuba, or China; move anywhere but get the hell out of my country. The only reason our soldiers are dying in this war is because the people that you voted into office sent them off to fight for someone else. Own up to your mistakes and quit trying to trade my liberty for your false sense of security.


This post is about your being local, how does it turn into you telling your fellow AMERICAN to go to another country???

Are YOU from another country? Are you 16 years old? Both may apply here, because you sure are mood-swinging on us.


Lets stick to our topic and not start anything ok!!
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by PBA:
If you don't believe in the US Constitution, get the out of here. If you don't support the Bill of Rights, then YOU are Anti-American. Go move to Russia, Cuba, or China; move anywhere but get the hell out of my country. The only reason our soldiers are dying in this war is because the people that you voted into office sent them off to fight for someone else. Own up to your mistakes and quit trying to trade my liberty for your false sense of security.


This post is about your being local, how does it turn into you telling your fellow AMERICAN to go to another country???

Are YOU from another country? Are you 16 years old? Both may apply here, because you sure are mood-swinging on us.


Lets stick to our topic and not start anything ok!!


?? That IS the topic of this particular thread.....
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PBA54, r u local or...
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Then why is PBA54 showing up again as PBA? Sounds like PBA54 username was banned...and has come back from the wilderness in the form of just PBA......

When I adminned on www.warrifles.com, in addtion to usernames getting banned, all known IP addresses and e-mail addresses were also banned. Me thinks if PBA54 was banned by you, Admin, then you need to ban the above things I listed.

I have ZERO respect for PBA, PBA54, etc. He/She/It follows to the "T" what an internet troll is. I beieve in debate, yes...but not personal attacks that this individual has done. I refuse to debate or say kind words about this individual, period. You can't debate someone who instead wants a flame war.

BTW, for the rest of you guys/gals on the forum: I do not think PBA/PBA54 is Shoals Lover. Why do I think this? Shoals Lover wanted me to make pics for him of the Buffalo Soldier monument here at FT Leavenworth, KS. I have yet to receive a PM, thred reply, or e-mail from Shoals Lover....In fact, when I hadn't made the pics after 3 days when I promised Shoals Lover I would, Shoals Lover PM'ed me, asking me when I was going to do it. 10 days after posting them, I have yet to hear from Shoals Lover....
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
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Originally posted by PBA:
Lets stick to our topic and not start anything ok!!


?? That IS the topic of this particular thread.....
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PBA54, r u local or...


My thought exactly. The topic was not addressed.

Don't get me wrong, anyone is welcome here to discuss these matters, but I have a problem when someone dominates the forum with repeated cut/paste posts and links all about national issues. I'm sure there are forums more suited to that.

Sometimes I think it is done more just to stir the locals against one another than it is to make a point by the one posting.

Kind of like a forum virus.
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

Yep, just like a real loser! pick a post any post of mind and lets debate it!

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


ASK THE QUESTION AND LET DEBATE! YOU LIE ALOT! YOU HAVE NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS AS I CAN FIND.
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


ASK THE QUESTION AND LET US DEBATE! YOU LIE ALOT! YOU HAVE NOT ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS AS I CAN FIND.
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.


show me where your question is and i will answer!
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.


Yeah Right,You are about as dumb as you look if you really believe the stuff you just posted!This is What You heard from the right wing propaganda Like Pat Roberson,Drug man Rush Limbo
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

I have no one on ignore,I'am not like you,you put people on ignore because you can't handle the real Issues. lets debate!

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.


show me where your question is and i will answer!
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a mess the past 6 years, a little move to the left might be constructive


I agree with you and you bring up an interesting point that I think everybody should take heed to. The conservative party first made it's move in 1968 with Nixon but because of Watergate, the right wing had to hold off until Reagan. If you will research your history, it was Jerry Farwell and Senator Helms who went to Nixon and said hey, want to win the south, to the republican party? And of course, Nixon said, yes, how do we do that? Jerry Farwell's answer was, religion. And Nixon says, religion? So they explained how religion in the Bible belt worked in the south and they have used religion starting with Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. And it has divided the country because some people want religion in politics and other's don't want religion in politics. Isn't it funny that liberal is mentioned in the Bible and conservative is not? For example, liberal means, according to the Bible, a man who is not liberal is without wisdom. It is man that has made liberal a bad word, not God. Gays, I do not support gays. It's against God's laws. But, you have conservative gays as well as liberal gays. It all boils down to education, propaganda, the lies that we would like to believe. What does the Baptist call the Church of Christ and what does the Church of Christ call the Baptist? The right wing has divided the United States with their hate, bigotry, and they don't realize they are calling theirselves Christians but at the same time they are spreading hate. It's the churches job to win souls, not the governments job. I believe in morals and values but if we want to really be trying to make laws against this and that, why stop at gays? How about doing something about beer and cigarettes, gambling places? Put the ten commandments in our front yards, on top of our house. Do you see my point on all of this? When somebody asks me if I'm conservative or liberal, I say that would depend on the issue. For an example, I would be conservative when it comes to gays. I would be liberal when it comes to veterans benefits for our troops.
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

I have no one on ignore,I'am not like you,you put people on ignore because you can't handle the real Issues. lets debate!

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.


show me where your question is and i will answer!


Is your mouse button stuck on clicking Reply without keying a response?

The question was "r u local"?
That means Are You Local? Read the original post on this thread before you start spewing again.
I believe that religon and right wing extemist have fractionalized this country and limited debate to the the point of there being no constructive bipartisian legislative movement on such serious issues as the war, medical health care, out of control spending, immigration, any one of these issues could destroy our country from the inside...I really believe that the enemies of our nation are just sitting back and waiting for us to implode,,,and implode we will...
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

I have no one on ignore,I'am not like you,you put people on ignore because you can't handle the real Issues. lets debate!

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.


show me where your question is and i will answer!


Is your mouse button stuck on clicking Reply without keying a response?

The question was "r u local"?
That means Are You Local? Read the original post on this thread before you start spewing again.


That question has been answered, you go back and re-read the post!!Are you local? and why is it any of your bussiness anyway? most people don't ask a question like that unless they are very redneck.
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
imho: He/Sh/It is an internet troll....additionally, he/she/it refuses to answer a direct question, and spin around the business at hand. IMHO, this individual is a hypocrit and should be treated as such: IGNORED by all, banned by the ADMIN.

I have no one on ignore,I'am not like you,you put people on ignore because you can't handle the real Issues. lets debate!

From the looks of things, this individual has come back..and should be banned again, and again, and again.


I'm thinking he may even have me on ignore because I don't recall a direct response to anything I've posted. And he accuses everyone of not civilly debating the issues he brings up.


show me where your question is and i will answer!


Is your mouse button stuck on clicking Reply without keying a response?

The question was "r u local"?
That means Are You Local? Read the original post on this thread before you start spewing again.


That question has been answered, you go back and re-read the post!!Are you local? and why is it any of your bussiness anyway? most people don't ask a question like that unless they are very redneck.



I see you came back in your full form... rude, inconsiderate, and insulting... The question should be: ARE YOU OVER 13 years old? It doesn't appear so by the maturity level. Not being rude, nor am I being snide, I am just going by what you say and how you say it... which is not very popular on this forum... surly you have figured that out by now???
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by PBA:
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.




If you don't believe in the US Constitution, get the out of here. If you don't support the Bill of Rights, then YOU are Anti-American. Go move to Russia, Cuba, or China; move anywhere but get the hell out of my country. The only reason our soldiers are dying in this war is because the people that you voted into office sent them off to fight for someone else. Own up to your mistakes and quit trying to trade my liberty for your false sense of security.


This post is about your being local, how does it turn into you telling your fellow AMERICAN to go to another country???

Are YOU from another country? Are you 16 years old? Both may apply here, because you sure are mood-swinging on us.


Lets stick to our topic and not start anything ok!!


Then STICK to the topic yourself... I believe the TOPIC asked you a question???
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