Just wondering if PBA54 is a local, a resident of the Shoals or has any ties, or is just someone hitting every forum he can with links to national media reports that bash Bush, our country, and anyone that considers themselves a conservative.

Do tell, what is your agenda?
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.


And please dont confuse people who think the 'cause' (because the reasons of the 'cause' changes every month) is not right as being Anti-American... The Heart of Dixie loves America just like anyone else does... But, like you, we are AMERICANS and we have the right to disagree with things we don't think is right.

I see PB hasn't answered the question either.
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.


jptorisky, I agree with what you are saying here, but one thing that bothers me is the "labeling" of people.

Right Wing, Left Wing, Liberal, Conservative... all labels, when all we are is simple people with minds of our own. I don't go by a label, and therefore, I don't like for someone who doesn't even know me to label me.

Bush was SUPPOSED to be conservative, but that went out the window a long time ago, even Condi said that in her interview, because Conservatives are not supposed to be so wrought up in WAR and lost lives, that the only answer she could give is that they were "thinking" with more liberal thoughts these days... (Pre-2007)
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.

Jptorisky,

Have you considered the possibility that People are beginning to CHANGE their minds? Is it remotely possible that the San Francisco liberals caught on quicker than the Shoals? Is it within your power to consider that the US has gone from about 80% to about 30% approval of GW Bush?

Note to imho...I cannot speak for PBA 54, BUT I am not a resident of Alabama. I am also Not going from forum to forum bashing Bush. I don't even think Bush is responsible for the fine mess we've been gotten into.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.

Jptorisky,

Have you considered the possibility that People are beginning to CHANGE their minds? Is it remotely possible that the San Francisco liberals caught on quicker than the Shoals? Is it within your power to consider that the US has gone from about 80% to about 30% approval of GW Bush?

Note to imho...I cannot speak for PBA 54, BUT I am not a resident of Alabama. I am also Not going from forum to forum bashing Bush. I don't even think Bush is responsible for the fine mess we've been gotten into.


Google in "America's worst President" and see what you get Frowner And I am unhappy with him and the drama that has surrounded him since November 2000.

And you are totally correct, Americans are changing their minds so fast, it is hard to keep up with it. People are NOW seeing that their sons, daughters, neices, nephews, grandkids could be on the next list to go, and maybe not come back.

With all this increasing that Bush is wanting, pretty soon, the ONLY option he and his cronies will have is to initiate the draft, and people are looking ahead to and deciding to jump ship on his support.

God in Heaven help us... the can of worms that have been opened will be just too hard, if not impossible to close.
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[quote]God in Heaven help us... the can of worms that have been opened will be just too hard, if not impossible to close.


Its really that bad huh? 3,000 troops killed in a war vs. 160,000 in car wrecks right here at home over the same period of time.

"God in heaven help us"? The U.S. military hasn't lost a battle. People like you are losing the war for them.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
You're right, it's not always the case. But far more liberals believe we are the ones at fault in this war rather than islamic extremists. Also, liberal organizations like CAIR (council for American Islamic Affairs) and the ACLU are defending these terrorists as well as illegal immigrants.


jptorisky, I agree with what you are saying here, but one thing that bothers me is the "labeling" of people.

Right Wing, Left Wing, Liberal, Conservative... all labels, when all we are is simple people with minds of our own. I don't go by a label, and therefore, I don't like for someone who doesn't even know me to label me.

Bush was SUPPOSED to be conservative, but that went out the window a long time ago, even Condi said that in her interview, because Conservatives are not supposed to be so wrought up in WAR and lost lives, that the only answer she could give is that they were "thinking" with more liberal thoughts these days... (Pre-2007)


Whether you like it or not we are all labeled. That is the way the country works. I am not saying all liberals are evil but I am generalizing their ideals. No one agrees whole-heartedly with their party's beliefs. However, there are some central values that all share in common with each other. You can't argue with that. I also believe that Bush is not truly conservative in his actions either, as is evident by his massive spending.

I think that this whole nation is slowly moving to the left and it is the unraveling of our country. No one is held responsible for anything anymore. Government will fix everything. Family values are a thing of the past and heaven forbid anyone mention the word, "GOD"!
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a messs the past 6 years, then a little move to the left might be constructive


Elijah.... I AGREE!!!

I, myself is JUST myself, no bells, no whistles and NO LABELS... I THINK for myself, dont have to have a Liberal tell me how to think, and I dont have to have a Conservative tell me how to think... Left Wing, Right Wing or Buffalo Wing... am not none of those either, lol.

NOT ME... ya see? I have a BRAIN and an EDUCATION and a 26 year old CAREER to go with my BRAIN that I use to think with.
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a mess the past 6 years, a little move to the left might be constructive



Masses of Conservatives are jumping ship right now and taking a more liberal view... (NOT TO LABEL ANYONE THOUGH Wink ) but that is what is happening, because they see what is happening, (took 'em six years) to actually SEE what is going on in our country and they just dont like it anymore.
We are fighting a war of attrition...hit and run...city fighting [the most dangerous for an aggressive army]....use banal means of warfare...no large confrontations on their part...no large loss of insurgents...use our own media against us....20,000 more troops will not help kill an enemy when strength of force doesn't matter..this sound familiar to anyone...
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Originally posted by brakefield20032003:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
Good call. I am beginning to think the Shoals is more left-thinking than San Fransisco. I am in shock that there is so much Anti-American sentiment in the heart of Dixie.


Please do not confuse "left" or "liberal" thinking with anti-American sentiment.




If you don't believe in the US Constitution, get the out of here. If you don't support the Bill of Rights, then YOU are Anti-American. Go move to Russia, Cuba, or China; move anywhere but get the hell out of my country. The only reason our soldiers are dying in this war is because the people that you voted into office sent them off to fight for someone else. Own up to your mistakes and quit trying to trade my liberty for your false sense of security.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by elijah495:
jp..I do not consider myself liberal or conservative..but "conservatives" or similar thinkers have left this country in a messs the past 6 years, then a little move to the left might be constructive


Elijah.... I AGREE!!!

I, myself is JUST myself, no bells, no whistles and NO LABELS... I THINK for myself, dont have to have a Liberal tell me how to think, and I dont have to have a Conservative tell me how to think... Left Wing, Right Wing or Buffalo Wing... am not none of those either, lol.

NOT ME... ya see? I have a BRAIN and an EDUCATION and a 26 year old CAREER to go with my BRAIN that I use to think with.


Amen!!
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Originally posted by elijah495:
We are fighting a war of attrition...hit and run...city fighting [the most dangerous for an aggressive army]....use banal means of warfare...no large confrontations on their part...no large loss of insurgents...use our own media against us....20,000 more troops will not help kill an enemy when strength of force doesn't matter..this sound familiar to anyone...


As a matter of fact, Elijah, it does...
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