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OK, people, if you want to go to college, quit your job, apply for food stamps, and get on Medicaid.

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updated 4:04 a.m. CT, Mon., May 4, 2009

Obama plan would vastly transform college aid
Proposal sees Pell Grants as entitlement akin to Medicare, Social Security

WASHINGTON - President Obama's health-care goals may be garnering attention, but his higher-education proposals are no less ambitious.

If adopted, they could transform the financial aid landscape for millions of students while expanding federal authority to a degree that even Democrats concede is controversial.

At stake is a plan to expand the Pell Grant program, making it an entitlement akin to Medicare and Social Security. Key to the effort is a consolidation of student lending that would give the U.S. Department of Education a near monopoly over the practice -- a proposal that has mobilized the private loan industry, which lent $55.3 billion to 6.4 million students in the 2007-2008 school year.


Obama outlined his initiatives, which also include incentives for colleges to cut costs and to raise graduation rates, in the fiscal 2010 budget that Congress approved Wednesday, and Democratic leaders said they hope to make them law by October.

The aim is to improve access to post-secondary school for those who need it most: lower-income students for whom college or vocational training can be the decisive factor in their economic future. The president has said he wants the United States to lead the world by 2010 in the proportion of college graduates, a position the country had long held; it now ranks seventh for the 25 to 34 age group. He has also called for every American to attend a post-secondary institution.
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I was caught in the middle one semester. I had done some freelance work during the summer and made enough money to save and pay rent for a year. The problem was it put me just a couple of hundred dollars over the line, so no Pell Grant that year. When I had it, it paid for half of my tuition.

If Pell Grants are lumped in with Social Security and Medicare, then the federal government can borrow from those funds in the same way. The way I understand it, now the fed just sponsors the grant. Considering it an entitlement will expand government power even further and give them access to more money to waste. I don't see how that benefits students trying to make a better life for themselves.
The cost for undergrad as well as graduate education for the most part far exceeds that of the UK and Canada and the EU. A year at Oxford and Cambridge for a UK or EU resident runs about 3300 pounds right now. In London it is only about L 3100. A year. In Canada, tuition at McGill is only $C 1100 for a Quebecker, but $C 5500 for a non-Quebec Canadian.

Last time I checked, that was a bargain by anyone's devising. Something is wrong with the way that tuition is calculated in the US. Claiborne Pell's dream is not being realized at all.

The AUM is effectively "free" for Mexicans and no fees are accessed at Havana, one of the most prestigious medical faculties in the Spanish speaking world. In many EU states, the tuition is not only lacking for the citizens but a small stipend is attached for the students, such as at Gronigen and Leiden. But that is why they have the VAT. But it is much harder to get into a European university than a US or Canadian one, where it has become more a rite of passage than a learning experience.
A German prospective student must hire a lawyer to ensure he is not only admitted to a German university, but to ensure he has continued admission every semester.

In France, those not admitted to the grand ecoles will receive a much poor education and little chance of advancing in the political world.

These conditions ensure those who do not score well on tests or do not have family within the political heirarchy either do not go to university or receive a poor education. Its a stultified and ossifed atmosphere.

As to Havana, remember all those doctors who defected to the US, but had the equivalent medical knowledge of a medic or similar. If that's the best in the Spanish speaking world -- Dios! Fidel imported specialists from Spain for his medical problems -- no home grown commie talent for him!
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Originally posted by LMM:
I agree education is the key to a better life but its just more government control. This will cause all the people caught in the middle, again, to be screwed. Not 'poor enough' to qualify, too poor to pay for it.


This is the best I have heard it put LMM. My family isn't poor enough to qualify but we have a hard time paying too! Smiler
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Originally posted by raine:
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Originally posted by LMM:
Not 'poor enough' to qualify, too poor to pay for it.


This is the best I have heard it put LMM. My family isn't poor enough to qualify but we have a hard time paying too! Smiler


That describes my situation perfectly!


I am there too. It is sad to be caught in the middle and all around upsetting.
Government aid is why tuition is so blasted high to begin with. The more government money funneled to students, the higher the tuition rises. If there wasn't all the government money flowing in, enrollment would drop by half. The schools would then have to lower tuition to get more students in.

My oldest son graduated from UNA last year, $30,000 in debt. If it wasn't for the artificially jacked up tuition caused by greedy colleges going after every penny of government money they can get their hands on, he wouldn't be looking at paying back such a huge amount just to get an education.
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Originally posted by Firedancer:
I would use a student loan over a credit card (unless you have a GREAT interest rate). It's hard to beat the interest rate on student loans.
I would love to fire, but he had to drop some classes due to illness and you can't get a student loan unless you have passed 75% of classes taken, and they count dropped classes.
Caught in the middle of the middle.

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