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Sometimes, even a liberal sees the truth. Even, Neville Chamberlain, eventually voted for war.

Piers Morgan”

“How many more?

That’s all I could think this morning as news broke of yet another ISIS terror attack, this time in Brussels.

How many more innocent men, women and children are going to be blown to pieces by these murderous *******s?

How many more airports, train stations, sports stadiums, restaurants or concert halls will be obliterated in a hail of suicide bombs and bullets?

How many more world leaders will wring their hands on national television afterwards and spout pointless platitudes about the ‘poor brave victims’ and ‘heroic emergency services’?

How many taunting, gleeful claims of responsibility will the despicable perpetrators of these evil crimes be able to issue?

I’m sick of this, aren’t you?

Sick of feeling sick about such endless, senseless barbarism.

And the worst thing about it is that I see no end.

The inherent problem which causes it, chaotic war-torn instability in the Middle East, is getting worse, not better; just as the financial and military resource of the enemy is growing greater, not reducing.

Yet just as the world is crying out for strong decisive leadership, there is none.

America has a demob happy President Obama eeking out his last few months in office. A man whose infamous ‘leading from behind’ philosophy to foreign policy has been partly responsible for the war in Syria raging uncontrollably for five years – allowing fundamentalism to ferment.

Obama has zero interest in doing anything tangible to really deal with ISIS. This is now parked in the tray marked ‘next president’s problem.’

Europe, meanwhile, is splintering at the seams, ravaged by an unprecedented migration crisis that nobody seems to have a clue how to handle.

German chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision to let a million migrants into its country is already seen to be an utter disaster.

France, reeling from two horrendous attacks in Paris, is understandably highly fearful of yet more terror coming its way.

Belgium officials effectively conceded today that they have no real way to protect themselves against the ISIS threat. A fact surely born out by the fact that today’s onslaught in Brussels happened right when the city most expected it, following the capture of Paris attacks suspect Saleh Abdeslam three days ago.

Britain, surely a target anytime soon, is on red alert but its warring politicians are too distracted by the upcoming EU referendum in June to pay anything more than lame lip service to terrorism.

So nobody seems to be doing anything concrete to stop ISIS, or even suggesting a new way to do so given the spectacular lack of success to date.

Well almost nobody.

By coincidence, I had an interview scheduled today with the world’s most controversial man, Donald Trump, for my UK show, Good Morning Britain.

It was set up a couple of weeks ago, but the timing was eerily prescient.

Here is one man who definitely has a plan to deal with ISIS terrorism. Several plans in fact.

The problem is that people don’t like them. Well, a lot of people don’t anyway.

Trump, current front-runner for the Republican nomination, wants to hit ISIS ‘so hard they never recover’.

(As he told me: ‘You've got to take them out and you've got to take them out harshly and you've got to take them out fast.’)

He also wants a short-term ban on Muslims entering the U.S. until, as he puts it, ‘we figure out what the hell is going on?’

And he wants to torture suspects like Abdeslam with techniques like water-boarding to try and extract information about future attacks.

Oh, and he wants to build a giant wall to stop illegal immigrants pouring over the Mexican border into America. 

George Clooney hit out at Trump yesterday, as he endorsed Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton for the presidency, saying: ‘If you listen to the loudest voices out there today, you'd think we're a country that hates Mexicans, hates Muslims, and thinks that committing war crimes is the best way to make America great again.’

I spoke to Trump for 40 minutes. He was, as you’d expect, bombastic, defiant and self-congratulatory. Why wouldn’t he be? He’s ripped up every political rulebook to take this presidential race by storm, a scenario that is hardly going to deflate the ego of New York’s most ****-sure billionaire tycoon.

But he also spoke in more detail about his plans to combat ISIS and I found myself nodding more than I expected.

Trump told me countries must tighten their borders in light of these terror attacks, especially to anyone related to an ISIS fighter in Syria.

Is he so wrong?

He told me he wants law-abiding Muslims to root out the extremists in their midst, expressing his bafflement and anger that someone like Abdeslam was able to hide for so long in the very part of Brussels he had previously lived.

Is he so wrong?

He told me America must make it far harder for illegal immigrants to enter the U.S. and thinks European countries should follow suit.

Is he so wrong?

He told me he believes there are now areas of many major European cities which have become poisonous breeding grounds for radicalized Islamic terror.

Is he so wrong? 

I didn’t feel I was talking to a lunatic, as many seem to view Trump.

I saw a guy, a non-politician unfettered by PC language restraints, who is genuinely furious at the devastation which ISIS is wreaking, and seriously concerned for the security of his fellow Americans and indeed, the citizens of Europe. 

(Remember, Trump’s from New York and felt the horror of 9/11 very personally and very deeply like all New Yorkers.)

His plans for tackling this extraordinarily dangerous threat to the world have been widely condemned as ‘bigoted’ and ‘racist’.

But although I publicly criticised him for the Muslim short-term ban suggestion, I’ve known Trump for ten years and I don’t believe he’s a racist.

I think he’s someone who has spent his life responding to metaphorical punches on his nose by punching even harder back. 

And right now, he firmly believes that ISIS will murder countless more Americans and Europeans if somebody somewhere doesn’t stand up and punch them hard in the face.

Someone prepared to stop spewing politically-correct niceties after these attacks, hoping nobody gets offended, and actually DO something.

Let’s be honest with ourselves, right now ISIS is winning this war and will continuing committing utter carnage on our streets on an ever graver and more barbaric scale until they are stopped.

I don’t have the answers to how to do that.

But I don’t hear any good ideas coming from any world leaders at the moment either, and it’s their highly paid jobs to work it out.

Instead, I see a global paralysis driven by fear, confusion and woeful lack of leadership.

And it will only get worse.

Hate Donald Trump all you like, but at least he seems to recognise the magnitude of the threat and at least he has firm proposals for how to try to defeat it.

They may not win him the Politically Correct Pontificator of the Year award. But how many more scenes like this morning’s appalling images from Brussels are we going to tolerate before we try a non-PC option to beat these disgusting excuses for human beings?

At the end of our interview, I asked Donald Trump to send a message to the large majority of non-violent, decent Muslims who are as disgusted by these attacks as the rest of us.

‘I have great respect for Muslims,’ he said, ‘I have many friends that are Muslims. I'm just saying that there is something with a radicalized portion that is very, very bad and very dangerous. I would say this, to the Muslims, when they see trouble, they have to report it, they're not reporting it, they're absolutely not reporting it and that's a big problem.’

Is he so wrong? “

 

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Observing all the feel good memorials throughout Europe after the Brussels attack.  Pretty much the same as performed after the latest Paris attack and the attack on Charlie Hebdo and Jews before that.  A bit of immediate police work is being done, but nothing long term.  The ruling elites in Europe will not get serious because they believe, "I am willing to let you die so I can hold on to my multi-cultural fantasies, so shut up about Islam."

So do ours.

direstraits posted:

Observing all the feel good memorials throughout Europe after the Brussels attack.  Pretty much the same as performed after the latest Paris attack and the attack on Charlie Hebdo and Jews before that.  A bit of immediate police work is being done, but nothing long term.  The ruling elites in Europe will not get serious because they believe, "I am willing to let you die so I can hold on to my multi-cultural fantasies, so shut up about Islam."

So do ours.

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Oh, the VENOM directed at that ultra-liberal clueless Piers Morgan from the right when he was on his U.S. TV show!  Remember?  Now he is cozying up to a certain frothing-at-the-mouth, red-faced, simplistic baboon who advocates violating internationally-adopted human rights and placing intensive surveillance on Muslim neighborhoods in the U.S., something New York's police department tried and abandoned as useless and wasted effort after not getting a shred of useful information from all the time and money spent in domestic spying on Muslims.

Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

Observing all the feel good memorials throughout Europe after the Brussels attack.  Pretty much the same as performed after the latest Paris attack and the attack on Charlie Hebdo and Jews before that.  A bit of immediate police work is being done, but nothing long term.  The ruling elites in Europe will not get serious because they believe, "I am willing to let you die so I can hold on to my multi-cultural fantasies, so shut up about Islam."

So do ours.

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Oh, the VENOM directed at that ultra-liberal clueless Piers Morgan from the right when he was on his U.S. TV show!  Remember?  Now he is cozying up to a certain frothing-at-the-mouth, red-faced, simplistic baboon who advocates violating internationally-adopted human rights and placing intensive surveillance on Muslim neighborhoods in the U.S., something New York's police department tried and abandoned as useless and wasted effort after not getting a shred of useful information from all the time and money spent in domestic spying on Muslims.

Sometimes, even a liberal receives a blinding flash of the obvious.  There was surveillance of mosques, not so much neighborhoods by the NYPD intel unit.  That effort was halted by the order of Comrade de Blasio, the current mayor. Giuliani stated that effort produced actionable intel. I'll trust that source over that of the institutional left.

 

direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

Observing all the feel good memorials throughout Europe after the Brussels attack.  Pretty much the same as performed after the latest Paris attack and the attack on Charlie Hebdo and Jews before that.  A bit of immediate police work is being done, but nothing long term.  The ruling elites in Europe will not get serious because they believe, "I am willing to let you die so I can hold on to my multi-cultural fantasies, so shut up about Islam."

So do ours.

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Oh, the VENOM directed at that ultra-liberal clueless Piers Morgan from the right when he was on his U.S. TV show!  Remember?  Now he is cozying up to a certain frothing-at-the-mouth, red-faced, simplistic baboon who advocates violating internationally-adopted human rights and placing intensive surveillance on Muslim neighborhoods in the U.S., something New York's police department tried and abandoned as useless and wasted effort after not getting a shred of useful information from all the time and money spent in domestic spying on Muslims.

Sometimes, even a liberal receives a blinding flash of the obvious.  There was surveillance of mosques, not so much neighborhoods by the NYPD intel unit.  That effort was halted by the order of Comrade de Blasio, the current mayor. Giuliani stated that effort produced actionable intel. I'll trust that source over that of the institutional left.

 

The conclusion that New York's Muslim surveillance program accomplished nothing useful was a conclusion reached and publicly stated by William Bratton, the city's POLICE COMMISSIONER, who of all people should have been in a position to know.

<<<As CBS2 Political Reporter Marcia Kramer reported, Bratton addressed the topic on Thursday, and angrily defended his decision to end the NYPD’s controversial Muslim monitoring program.

Bratton said he has other ways to get critical information about terror cells and potential plots.

“Not one single piece of actionable intelligence ever came out of that unit in its years of existence,” Bratton said.

Kramer had asked why Mayor Bill de Blasio had killed the controversial program to monitor mosques and Muslim businesses in the metropolitan area. The question got Bratton’s blood boiling.

“I’m tired. This keeps coming up over and over again in the tabloids. Let’s get real about the issue,” Bratton said. “It’s urban legend. It’s urban myth.”

In the aftermath of the Paris attacks this past Friday, and with the public jittery about letting Syrian refugees into the country, Bratton said flatly at a public symposium that he – not Mayor de Blasio – killed the program – and for good reason.

Bratton said the Muslim monitoring program did not accomplish anything, and he said it certainly does not need to be reestablished now.>>>

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20...n-muslim-monitoring/

 

The surveillance extended not only to mosques, but to neighborhoods and beyond;  it was much broader than your shabby characterization claims, dire:

<<<The Demographics Unit was created 18 months after the 9/11 terror attacks. The program, conceived with the help of a CIA agent working with the NYPD, assembled databases on where Muslims lived, shopped, worked and prayed.

Plainclothes officers infiltrated Muslim student groups, put informants in mosques, monitored sermons and cataloged Muslims in New York who adopted new, Americanized surnames.

The Demographics Unit was created 18 months after the 9/11 terror attacks. The program, conceived with the help of a CIA agent working with the NYPD, assembled databases on where Muslims lived, shopped, worked and prayed.

Plainclothes officers infiltrated Muslim student groups, put informants in mosques, monitored sermons and cataloged Muslims in New York who adopted new, Americanized surnames.>>>

direstraits posted:

As I stated, I'll still take Giuliani's word.  Heard him make the statement yesterday.

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Then welcome to that cadre of true believers who believe what they believe only because they WANT to believe it. Giuliani is sniping from  the outside; Bratton is working on the inside.  I'll take the working insider's word on the matter over the sniping outsider's.

Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

As I stated, I'll still take Giuliani's word.  Heard him make the statement yesterday.

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Then welcome to that cadre of true believers who believe what they believe only because they WANT to believe it. Giuliani is sniping from  the outside; Bratton is working on the inside.  I'll take the working insider's word on the matter over the sniping outsider's.

Contenduhh, only the efforts of the Demographics Unit, was the subject you posted.  Operations Torch and Hercules (still ongoing) were much more encompassing as part of the anti-terrorism division.  If, one took your comments at face value, one would suppose there was not a terrorist problem in the US.  About 3911 murdered by terrorists and more maimed give the lie to that.  Europeans are still operating as if that were true within their own borders.

direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

As I stated, I'll still take Giuliani's word.  Heard him make the statement yesterday.

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Then welcome to that cadre of true believers who believe what they believe only because they WANT to believe it. Giuliani is sniping from  the outside; Bratton is working on the inside.  I'll take the working insider's word on the matter over the sniping outsider's.

Contenduhh, only the efforts of the Demographics Unit, was the subject you posted.  Operations Torch and Hercules (still ongoing) were much more encompassing as part of the anti-terrorism division.  If, one took your comments at face value, one would suppose there was not a terrorist problem in the US.  About 3911 murdered by terrorists and more maimed give the lie to that.  Europeans are still operating as if that were true within their own borders.

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Oh come ON, dire!  Your effort to bail yourself out from your misbegotten take on the NYPD's "Muslim surveillance program" is taking on an even more ridiculous coloration than when you first posted your erroneous tripe. First off, it is clear to any sentient person that the program I described was, in fact, the mosque/neighborhood, etc. program that has been repudiated by the respected Police Commissioner, William Bratton. I said nothing that would be referable to Operations Torch and Hercules, which are not "Muslim surveillance programs," per se, but security operations sensibly focusing on public transportation facilities. And I never said one thing that would justify your accusation that I "...would suppose there was not a terrorism problem in the U.S.  THAT ultra-silly accusation is utterly without merit and you know it.

 

 

Jack Flash posted:
The thing is conTurk, you walk and talk like a duck all your
life, who's going to believe you aren't a communist..?? No one.

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That is comforting to know, Jack, since there is nothing in my ideology or behavior that embraces or endorses communism.  

But when YOU walk and talk like a blithering buffoon--as you so often do--then it is no surprise to anyone who investigates further to confirm your blatant blithering buffoonery!

Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

As I stated, I'll still take Giuliani's word.  Heard him make the statement yesterday.

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Then welcome to that cadre of true believers who believe what they believe only because they WANT to believe it. Giuliani is sniping from  the outside; Bratton is working on the inside.  I'll take the working insider's word on the matter over the sniping outsider's.

Contenduhh, only the efforts of the Demographics Unit, was the subject you posted.  Operations Torch and Hercules (still ongoing) were much more encompassing as part of the anti-terrorism division.  If, one took your comments at face value, one would suppose there was not a terrorist problem in the US.  About 3911 murdered by terrorists and more maimed give the lie to that.  Europeans are still operating as if that were true within their own borders.

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Oh come ON, dire!  Your effort to bail yourself out from your misbegotten take on the NYPD's "Muslim surveillance program" is taking on an even more ridiculous coloration than when you first posted your erroneous tripe. First off, it is clear to any sentient person that the program I described was, in fact, the mosque/neighborhood, etc. program that has been repudiated by the respected Police Commissioner, William Bratton. I said nothing that would be referable to Operations Torch and Hercules, which are not "Muslim surveillance programs," per se, but security operations sensibly focusing on public transportation facilities. And I never said one thing that would justify your accusation that I "...would suppose there was not a terrorism problem in the U.S.  THAT ultra-silly accusation is utterly without merit and you know it.

 

 

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/h..._targeting_nyc.shtml

Twenty terror plots aimed at NYC.  Efforts to thwart them included international and national intelligence agencies, plus the NYPD.  None can exist in a vacuum.  It takes knowledge from the local neighborhoods up. Reportedly, the Belgium national police had information about the Brussels attack, but did not pass it on to the local law enforcement.  Why you desire to handicap the NYPD is beyond me.

Wonder what brought that old liberal POS around to say that? An old man told me one time, "Nothing like a good mugging to turn a liberal into a conservative", after he told the story of an irritating liberal friend of his getting mugged in broad daylight in a, supposedly, nice part of town. Seems his friend's politics changed after that.

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Bestworking posted:

Wonder what brought that old liberal POS around to say that? An old man told me one time, "Nothing like a good mugging to turn a liberal into a conservative", after he told the story of an irritating liberal friend of his getting mugged in broad daylight in a, supposedly, nice part of town. Seems his friend's politics changed after that.

The NYPD, by intel within the Italian community, helped end the mafia.  Similar  efforts against the Chinese tongs, the Russian mafia and other ethnic based organized crime.  Why the police should be denied similar efforts among Muslims is beyond me.  While Christian, Jews and Muslims used their sacred places for religion and as community centers, the mosque has a unique place as a political center, as many believers consider Islam to be a theocratic religion -- no daylight between government and religion.  In Iraq, they even used mosques as torture chambers.  

direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

As I stated, I'll still take Giuliani's word.  Heard him make the statement yesterday.

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Then welcome to that cadre of true believers who believe what they believe only because they WANT to believe it. Giuliani is sniping from  the outside; Bratton is working on the inside.  I'll take the working insider's word on the matter over the sniping outsider's.

Contenduhh, only the efforts of the Demographics Unit, was the subject you posted.  Operations Torch and Hercules (still ongoing) were much more encompassing as part of the anti-terrorism division.  If, one took your comments at face value, one would suppose there was not a terrorist problem in the US.  About 3911 murdered by terrorists and more maimed give the lie to that.  Europeans are still operating as if that were true within their own borders.

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Oh come ON, dire!  Your effort to bail yourself out from your misbegotten take on the NYPD's "Muslim surveillance program" is taking on an even more ridiculous coloration than when you first posted your erroneous tripe. First off, it is clear to any sentient person that the program I described was, in fact, the mosque/neighborhood, etc. program that has been repudiated by the respected Police Commissioner, William Bratton. I said nothing that would be referable to Operations Torch and Hercules, which are not "Muslim surveillance programs," per se, but security operations sensibly focusing on public transportation facilities. And I never said one thing that would justify your accusation that I "...would suppose there was not a terrorism problem in the U.S.  THAT ultra-silly accusation is utterly without merit and you know it.

 

 

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/h..._targeting_nyc.shtml

Twenty terror plots aimed at NYC.  Efforts to thwart them included international and national intelligence agencies, plus the NYPD.  None can exist in a vacuum.  It takes knowledge from the local neighborhoods up. Reportedly, the Belgium national police had information about the Brussels attack, but did not pass it on to the local law enforcement.  Why you desire to handicap the NYPD is beyond me.

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Indeed--20 plots, but not one of them was detected via the discredited Demographics Unit, which is the unit that was the subject matter of my topic. You have cited some summary information about terrorism in NYC and some historical information concerning various efforts against organized and violent factions, waged in this nation and beyond, which I will not dispute.  But that information provides nothing useful toward any defense of the failed and wasteful  Demographics Unit, a unit acknowledged by the current--and highly-respected--Police Commissioner to have been a total bust. 

Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

As I stated, I'll still take Giuliani's word.  Heard him make the statement yesterday.

_____

Then welcome to that cadre of true believers who believe what they believe only because they WANT to believe it. Giuliani is sniping from  the outside; Bratton is working on the inside.  I'll take the working insider's word on the matter over the sniping outsider's.

Contenduhh, only the efforts of the Demographics Unit, was the subject you posted.  Operations Torch and Hercules (still ongoing) were much more encompassing as part of the anti-terrorism division.  If, one took your comments at face value, one would suppose there was not a terrorist problem in the US.  About 3911 murdered by terrorists and more maimed give the lie to that.  Europeans are still operating as if that were true within their own borders.

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Oh come ON, dire!  Your effort to bail yourself out from your misbegotten take on the NYPD's "Muslim surveillance program" is taking on an even more ridiculous coloration than when you first posted your erroneous tripe. First off, it is clear to any sentient person that the program I described was, in fact, the mosque/neighborhood, etc. program that has been repudiated by the respected Police Commissioner, William Bratton. I said nothing that would be referable to Operations Torch and Hercules, which are not "Muslim surveillance programs," per se, but security operations sensibly focusing on public transportation facilities. And I never said one thing that would justify your accusation that I "...would suppose there was not a terrorism problem in the U.S.  THAT ultra-silly accusation is utterly without merit and you know it.

 

 

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/h..._targeting_nyc.shtml

Twenty terror plots aimed at NYC.  Efforts to thwart them included international and national intelligence agencies, plus the NYPD.  None can exist in a vacuum.  It takes knowledge from the local neighborhoods up. Reportedly, the Belgium national police had information about the Brussels attack, but did not pass it on to the local law enforcement.  Why you desire to handicap the NYPD is beyond me.

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Indeed--20 plots, but not one of them was detected via the discredited Demographics Unit, which is the unit that was the subject matter of my topic. You have cited some summary information about terrorism in NYC and some historical information concerning various efforts against organized and violent factions, waged in this nation and beyond, which I will not dispute.  But that information provides nothing useful toward any defense of the failed and wasteful  Demographics Unit, a unit acknowledged by the current--and highly-respected--Police Commissioner to have been a total bust. 

Again, all you can rail against is one small unit within the Intelligence/Counter-Terrorism Division.  There was/is much more to the intelligence efforts than that one small unit.  You're barking up an empty tree, in a forest of trees filled with jehadim.

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