Please do not judge Christians based on your personal dissatisfaction with the bible

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That was so cute, HOD. LOL

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People shouldn't judge Christians based on Bill Gray either, but they do.

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
People shouldn't judge Christians based on Bill Gray either, but they do.

YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT IF I WAS AS CUTE AND CUDDLY AS THAT PENGUIN!! - I FEEL CHEATED!! - THANK YOU, DAVID, FOR THAT VIDEO - I LIKE IT.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT IF I WAS AS CUTE AND CUDDLY AS THAT PENGUIN!! -

No need to yell, Bill! If that penguin was a hypocrite, Yes, I would.

I judge Christians by their behavior, which, usually, isn't very Christ-like.

Amen..errr.. Right on with that.

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I judge Christians by their behavior, which, usually, isn't very Christ-like.

And how do you detect Christians? Do they have a flashing light over their heads?

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I judge Christians by their behavior, which, usually, isn't very Christ-like.

yeah, I've met some really nasty atheist.....

it was acctually my observatino of ' christians' that caused me to be dissatisfied with the bible, not the other way around.

and to answer the other question.. i identified them by thier call...
'oh honey, you're not christian? oh you need to get right or you're gonna burn.'
or
'what church do you go to? what do you mean you don't go? do you want those lovely children to go to hell?'
or
'you better get your butt in a good god-fearin' church, boy.. i thought you loved your wife bettern'at, settin her up for the lake of fire...'

those have been some of the most typical things 'christians' say to me.
they are the people that made me think... if THIS are how the bible says god wants us to be, then either something is wrong with god, or something is wrong with the bible.

except for one girl i used to work with a long long time ago named alisha, and except for VPLee, i can't say i've ever met any Christians... just a lot of name-dropping wannabes.

I know plenty of good, "real" christians. I've never said all christians are bad as one poster keeps insisting. I have no reason to be "dissatisfied" with the bible, it means nothing to me. My problem is the same as any other atheist-the mean little "god toadies" like you just mentioned. "Oh no! You don't believe in god? So you worship satan?!" No, atheists don't believe in satan. "Well if you don't worship god that means you do worship satan"!! All this with that ugly "church lady" holier than thou smirk on their face. Good christians? Plenty of them, but they would be good people even without a belief in a god. Bad atheists? Of course, but again they'd be just as bad if they believed.

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I judge Christians by their behavior, which, usually, isn't very Christ-like.

A few problems with that statement Jimi,

First you are making judgments about who is a Christian and who isn't. You could be right and you could be wrong for many that say they are aren't and many that are remain silent.

Second those you potentially label as Christians are really professing Christians. They say they are Christian but in reality the only ones who know is them and God.

God gives each true believer, Christian, proof of their conversion and proof to guarantee their faith is not in vain and is legit. That proof and guarantee is God's Holy Spirit that lives/dwells within the Christian's life and body along with their inner soul/spirit. No other proof is necessary to and for the Christian for God's Holy Spirit not only serves as that guarantee but also actively ministers to the Christian enabling them through their earthly lives.

To judge all Christians based on people you believe to be Christian is not fair and also tends to bias a person in a negative way.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I know plenty of good, "real" christians. I've never said all christians are bad as one poster keeps insisting. I have no reason to be "dissatisfied" with the bible, it means nothing to me. My problem is the same as any other atheist-the mean little "god toadies" like you just mentioned. "Oh no! You don't believe in god? So you worship satan?!" No, atheists don't believe in satan. "Well if you don't worship god that means you do worship satan"!! All this with that ugly "church lady" holier than thou smirk on their face. Good christians? Plenty of them, but they would be good people even without a belief in a god. Bad atheists? Of course, but again they'd be just as bad if they believed.

Very well worded Jennifer, Any person, Atheist or not, can make decisions based upon what they experience and know for themselves. If a person has no reason to believe in God then why would someone expect that they would. It is my belief though that if a non-believing person is open minded and if they honestly seek God that God will reveal Himself unto them. Communicate with them and show Himself to them via His Holy Spirit. Man/Woman/Humans have an inner spirit/soul that I believe longs to be one with it's creator and in order to achieve that relationship I believe God has provided the way for us. That way I believe God has designed as through faith, faith in Jesus Christ, and that when a person is seeking God that the Holy Spirit will provide the proof and spiritual enlightening that people seek.

It has nothing to do with which Church one affiliates with for the relationship with God is an intimate person-God relationship that is confirmed, not through Church, through the Holy Spirit of God. That is my personal belief Jennifer. If a person seeks God that God will reveal Himself unto them at a time chosen by God and often at a time we never expect it.

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It is my belief though that if a non-believing person is open minded and if they honestly seek God that God will reveal Himself unto them. Communicate with them and show Himself to them via His Holy Spirit. Man/Woman/Humans have an inner spirit/soul that I believe longs to be one with it's creator and in order to achieve that relationship I believe God has provided the way for us. That way I believe God has designed as through faith, faith in Jesus Christ, and that when a person is seeking God that the Holy Spirit will provide the proof and spiritual enlightening that people seek.

And I believe that if a person is open minded and honestly seeks the truth they become atheists. I have no idea how many atheists were once believers, I couldn't even try to guess. I do know all the atheists I've ever met are "ex-believers". I am. I believed it as much as any die hard christian believes it. To this day I have nothing but happy memories of the people I grew up with in my church. It was, and I assume still is, a wonderful little church full of wonderful people.

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It was, and I assume still is, a wonderful little church full of wonderful people.

'Cause you left???

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:

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It was, and I assume still is, a wonderful little church full of wonderful people.

'Cause you left???

"Was and still is". Not "became". Keep up the good christian comments.

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Keep up the good christian comments.

Comment wasn't from a Christian...

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:

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Keep up the good christian comments.

Comment wasn't from a Christian...

So you were flashing back to your experience. Gotcha.

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
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Keep up the good christian comments.


Comment wasn't from a Christian...
So you were flashing back to your experience. Gotcha.

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Nope. Experiment.

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Originally posted by gbrk:
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It is my belief though that if a non-believing person is open minded and if they honestly seek God that God will reveal Himself unto them. Communicate with them and show Himself to them via His Holy Spirit. Man/Woman/Humans have an inner spirit/soul that I believe longs to be one with it's creator....

.....If a person seeks God that God will reveal Himself unto them at a time chosen by God and often at a time we never expect it.

Which, in my opinion just goes to show that if you really, REALLY look hard enough because you really, REALLY wanna believe something, you'll see/find it whether it actually exists or not.

People tend to be funny that way, I've noticed. If they can't find it-they'll create it out of thin air because they want it so bad.

'Specially if ya can make money off of it.

I don't judge christians based on my own dissatisfaction with the bible, I base it on what my eyes and ears have seen and heard all my life.
I base my judgement on the behavior of most of the christians I've observed.

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
I base my judgement on the behavior of most of the christians I've observed.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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It is my belief though that if a non-believing person is open minded and if they honestly seek God that God will reveal Himself unto them. Communicate with them and show Himself to them via His Holy Spirit. Man/Woman/Humans have an inner spirit/soul that I believe longs to be one with it's creator and in order to achieve that relationship I believe God has provided the way for us. That way I believe God has designed as through faith, faith in Jesus Christ, and that when a person is seeking God that the Holy Spirit will provide the proof and spiritual enlightening that people seek.

And I believe that if a person is open minded and honestly seeks the truth they become atheists. I have no idea how many atheists were once believers, I couldn't even try to guess. I do know all the atheists I've ever met are "ex-believers". I am. I believed it as much as any die hard christian believes it. To this day I have nothing but happy memories of the people I grew up with in my church. It was, and I assume still is, a wonderful little church full of wonderful people.

So can you explain those who turn from atheism back to religion or turn to religion for the first time? Since atheists are so logical and rational, how does that turn into religion?

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So can you explain those who turn from atheism back to religion or turn to religion for the first time? Since atheists are so logical and rational, how does that turn into religion?

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So can you explain those who turn from atheism back to religion or turn to religion for the first time? Since atheists are so logical and rational, how does that turn into religion?

Nope, can't explain why people toss away that part of their logic and common sense to become a believer. Could be many things. I won't do a bill and say they were never atheists to begin with, although there are many of those out there, ones that "strayed". Who knows? Maybe they fear death and want to have an afterlife and are unconsciously trying to "wish it so". Maybe they do it to please someone else. Maybe to gain support/followers such as the "jail house" converts and scamming preachers. Maybe they sincerely start to believe. I have no way of knowing. I posted this to you before, every day someone finds religion, and every day someone realizes they don't believe anymore. I do know I came to the realization it just wasn't so after years of so called "soul searching". He posted if people were open-minded etc they'd be christians. (His way of saying atheists are closed minded and refuse to believe) I said I thought they'd be atheists- it works both ways.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
He posted if people were open-minded etc they'd be christians. (His way of saying atheists are closed minded and refuse to believe) I said I thought they'd be atheists- it works both ways.

Yeah, but there's a difference between being open-minded and being a zipperhead.

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I posted this to you before, every day someone finds religion, and every day someone realizes they don't believe anymore.

Exactly, that's why the question.
No one but that individual knows why they believe or don't believe.

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Originally posted by gbrk:

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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
I judge Christians by their behavior, which, usually, isn't very Christ-like.

A few problems with that statement Jimi,

First you are making judgments about who is a Christian and who isn't. You could be right and you could be wrong for many that say they are aren't and many that are remain silent.

Second those you potentially label as Christians are really professing Christians. They say they are Christian but in reality the only ones who know is them and God.

God gives each true believer, Christian, proof of their conversion and proof to guarantee their faith is not in vain and is legit. That proof and guarantee is God's Holy Spirit that lives/dwells within the Christian's life and body along with their inner soul/spirit. No other proof is necessary to and for the Christian for God's Holy Spirit not only serves as that guarantee but also actively ministers to the Christian enabling them through their earthly lives.

To judge all Christians based on people you believe to be Christian is not fair and also tends to bias a person in a negative way.

I stand by my statement.

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Originally posted by b50m:

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I posted this to you before, every day someone finds religion, and every day someone realizes they don't believe anymore.

Exactly, that's why the question.
No one but that individual knows why they believe or don't believe.

I guess I miss your point. I've said all that before, and like I keep repeating, all the open mindedness and thinking in the world won't make you believe if you don't. But you still have people that keep insisting all a person has to do is "accept" it. When they say that I think of the movie "Body Snatchers". "Just accept it and go to sleep, and when you wake up it will be all over and it will be wonderful". And I think of the way they point and hiss/screech when they see people that have resisted and haven't "transformed" yet.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Originally posted by b50m:

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I posted this to you before, every day someone finds religion, and every day someone realizes they don't believe anymore.

Exactly, that's why the question.
No one but that individual knows why they believe or don't believe.

I guess I miss your point. I've said all that before, and like I keep repeating, all the open mindedness and thinking in the world won't make you believe if you don't. But you still have people that keep insisting all a person has to do is "accept" it. When they say that I think of the movie "Body Snatchers". "Just accept it and go to sleep, and when you wake up it will be all over and it will be wonderful". And I think of the way they point and hiss/screech when they see people that have resisted and haven't "transformed" yet.

I can see your point. I don't expect to be changed overnight to an atheist, so I'm sure you won't change overnight to a Christian. BTW, I hated that movie.

I loved the movie. They nailed it.

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Please do not judge Christians based on your personal dissatisfaction with the bible

It's much more likely that I will judge the bible based on my personal dissatisfaction with Christians.

Why doesn't the book make more of them behave?

nsns

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I know plenty of good, "real" christians. I've never said all christians are bad as one poster keeps insisting. I have no reason to be "dissatisfied" with the bible, it means nothing to me. My problem is the same as any other atheist-the mean little "god toadies" like you just mentioned. "Oh no! You don't believe in god? So you worship satan?!" No, atheists don't believe in satan. "Well if you don't worship god that means you do worship satan"!! All this with that ugly "church lady" holier than thou smirk on their face. Good christians? Plenty of them, but they would be good people even without a belief in a god. Bad atheists? Of course, but again they'd be just as bad if they believed.

then you've been more lucky than i.
i agree with all of that except the word 'plenty'. the only thing i've met plenty of are obnoxious judegmental self-rightious pisswhistles who have been somehow divinely authorized to begin the judgeing process for Jesus.

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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

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Please do not judge Christians based on your personal dissatisfaction with the bible

It's much more likely that I will judge the bible based on my personal dissatisfaction with Christians.

Why doesn't the book make more of them behave?

nsns

Because they don't follow the Bible, at least not the New Testament part; they just say that they do

Christians aren't hypocrites any more than atheists are hypocrites.

PEOPLE are hypocrites.

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Originally posted by IDOL:
Christians aren't hypocrites any more than atheists are hypocrites.

PEOPLE are hypocrites.

True dat, but christians have elevated to an art form.

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Originally posted by IDOL:
Christians aren't hypocrites any more than atheists are hypocrites.

PEOPLE are hypocrites.

Then what do you call people that are only Christians when warming a church pew?

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Then what do you call people that are only Christians when warming a church pew?

Baptists.

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Then what do you call people that are only Christians when warming a church pew?

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Originally posted by bluetick:
Baptists.