Pledge Of Allegiance

"Be afraid" , "Hell no we can't", "The sky is falling" !!!!, "The sky is falling"!!!!! Is that what the American way has come to?

I still pledge Allegiance to the Republic. I refuse to pledge allegiance to a socialist state. I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Contrary to your one sided belief, not all of us mourning the loss of another choice believe everything that either Fox or CNN spout. Apparently the American dream has gone from the chance to succeed, to the right of sitting on one's rump and having every life necessity handed to you from those still willing to work.

With about 2.0 million civilian employees, the Federal Government, excluding the Postal Service, is the Nation's largest employer.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs041.htm

They actually brag about socialism

I guess Nobama believes he is helping out by hiring 19000 employees to oversee this bottomless pit of a health care plan. Did you see where he posted people to jobs without the consent of Congress? He claimed he was tired of their arguments over who should be given the jobs. Another step towards his plan to follow Hitler in his footsteps.

If you like your insurance, keep it.

Social Security since FDR, the greatest President ever, did not lead to a Natz take over, which by the way, your side seems to be experts on Hitler.

You call him a socialist for trying to lower your insurance premiums.I suppose a 20 million dollar salary for insurance executives is pretty low, for all that hard work they do.

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If you like your insurance, keep it.

We've already seen two large companies say they will be ending their prescription drug coverage. Everyone will dump the "Cadillac" plans. The insurance companies say our premiums are going up 40%. Keep what?

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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:

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If you like your insurance, keep it.

We've already seen two large companies say they will be ending their prescription drug coverage. Everyone will dump the "Cadillac" plans. The insurance companies say our premiums are going up 40%. Keep what?

Even though the plan is almost the exact same plan that the Insurance companies proposed themselves in 2009?

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Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:
I guess Nobama believes he is helping out by hiring 19000 employees to oversee this bottomless pit of a health care plan. Did you see where he posted people to jobs without the consent of Congress? He claimed he was tired of their arguments over who should be given the jobs. Another step towards his plan to follow Hitler in his footsteps.

You act like Obama is the first president to ever perform a recess appointment. Oh and breaking Godwin's law, that's always a nice touch.

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Originally posted by Jaw:
If you like your insurance, keep it.

Social Security since FDR, the greatest President ever, did not lead to a Natz take over, which by the way, your side seems to be experts on Hitler.

You call him a socialist for trying to lower your insurance premiums.I suppose a 20 million dollar salary for insurance executives is pretty low, for all that hard work they do.

The additional coverage mandated by the law will require higher premiums. Which Alabama insurance executives got 20 million dollars?

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Originally posted by Jaw:
If you like your insurance, keep it.

Social Security since FDR, the greatest President ever, did not lead to a Natz take over, which by the way, your side seems to be experts on Hitler.

You call him a socialist for trying to lower your insurance premiums.I suppose a 20 million dollar salary for insurance executives is pretty low, for all that hard work they do.

Yes, my family are experts -- my father and all my uncles killed a number of the Nazi SOBs.

Social Security is a bad joke on U.S. taxpaying citizens. My current retirement plan allows me to collect all of my retirement when I retire. How come fdr did not allow for that when they drew up the plan for social security. In my opinion, social security is government fraud.

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Originally posted by Jaw:
"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

It is sad, but I can remember when we pledged Allegiance to the Republic.

I think Rush and Beck have caused us to be suspicious of it, with their fellow hogs we have been fenced, come around every generation philosophy. Will the Birchers ever go away already?

I really wish some people would just say what they mean...instead of being so vaguely condecending.

Are you saying it's "sad" to wish the government feared the people?

Do you know who said that quote?

Are you really trying to equate Thomas Jefferson to Rush, etc.?

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It is sad, but I can remember when we pledged Allegiance to the Republic.

It is sadder to remember that the pledge was written by a socialist.

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Francis Julius Bellamy born in Mount Morris, NY on (May 18, 1855 – August 28, 1931) was an American Baptist minister and Christian Socialist[1] who wrote the original Pledge of Allegiance in 1892. It was published in the Youth's Companion, which was a nationally circulated magazine for adolescents, and by 1892 was the largest publication of any type in the United States, with a circulation around 500,000. His cousin Edward Bellamy is the noted author of the socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

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Originally posted by Jaw:
Social Security since FDR, the greatest President ever, did not lead to a Natz take over, which by the way, your side seems to be experts on Hitler.

Ahh, FDR... the father of the modern welfare system.

When SS was created, even if (and that's a big if)there were good intentions, SS has long since been corrupted. What's left is people addicted (kinda like drug addicts) to the government and the Democratic party. So I guess the goals were achieved.

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Originally posted by midknightrider:

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Originally posted by Jaw:
Social Security since FDR, the greatest President ever, did not lead to a Natz take over, which by the way, your side seems to be experts on Hitler.

Ahh, FDR... the father of the modern welfare system.

When SS was created, even if (and that's a big if)there were good intentions, SS has long since been corrupted. What's left is people addicted (kinda like drug addicts) to the government and the Democratic party. So I guess the goals were achieved.

Make of it what you will...but a funny fact about Social Security I recently came across...At the time it was enacted the average life expectancy of a man 57...woman 61.

Hmmm...

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Make of it what you will...but a funny fact about Social Security I recently came across...At the time it was enacted the average life expectancy of a man 57...woman 61.

Yes, in fact the component of Social Security people receive at 65 (or whatever) is called Old Age Survivors Insurance. That doesn't have the sound of something that was meant to be a retirement check.

You rugged individualists might be singing a different tune when your pensions are taken away when a vulture eats up your employer and forces it into bankruptcy and the courts make your pensions the last on the list to be resolved!

Add in a bout of cancer and see how long you last without SSDI for which you have paid into for years!

Your stocks are slid downward in comparison to a few years ago, your house was never worth a million dollars, and the Gramm silliness and fetish of deregulation and outsourcing -- even giving tax breaks to companies to go off shore -- and try to fight a war without any tax increases and see what happens. Add in weird "exotics" such as "credit default swaps" which had not a whit of value to back anything of the magnitude they sold, a fetish for odd mortgaging of overpriced tulipomania homes by people who could not afford such a balloon payments to come due, and voila. Welcome to
Hooverstan. St. Ronald of the Raven Black #8 is dead and as Jefferson said, "Do you expect a jacket which fit me as a boy to fit me as a grown man?"

Remember, "conservatives" please, yours are only opinions, and not more. Others have differing ones. My how "Enlightenment" of us! Not to march in lock step one and all . . . .

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Originally posted by Jaw:
I suppose a 20 million dollar salary for insurance executives is pretty low, for all that hard work they do.

Cause and effect...cause and effect...
Say that insurance company writes 20 million policies, then if you cut that $20 million to zero and could transfer all the savings to policy holders, what would that be ?...a dollar a year ? Which do you think would have the most affect on premiums, an increase in the cost executive compensation or an increase in the cost of treatment ? Insurance is not high because CEO pay is high anymore than gas prices are high because of Rex Tillerson. People have been indoctrinated to think evil, greedy corporations are the main cause of all our problems, and that if we rein them in, we'll be alright. In truth, that will do little more than make you feel better. Just like weeds, unless you get to the root of the problem, they're gonna come back. You can cut them down and it'll look good...for awhile. Nowadays that's all that matters.

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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
You rugged individualists might be singing a different tune when your pensions are taken away when a vulture eats up your employer

You mean "vultures"...as in unfunded government mandates and restrictive legislation?

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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Add in a bout of cancer and see how long you last without SSDI for which you have paid into for years!

I...you...nor anyone else has "paid into" anything...I...you...nor anyone else has an "account" waiting on us.

The only thing we have don is "fund" a government redistribution program.

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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Remember, "conservatives" please, yours are only opinions, and not more. Others have differing ones.

#1...I'm not "conservative"...at least not by today's definition.

And #2...These are simply facts...not opinions...

Social Insecurity

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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:

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If you like your insurance, keep it.

We've already seen two large companies say they will be ending their prescription drug coverage. Everyone will dump the "Cadillac" plans. The insurance companies say our premiums are going up 40%. Keep what?

Exactly, you can keep it if you want to pay more for it out of your pocket.

Its a shame that some people cant see whats going on. Obama doesnt want to build up the little man, he wants to tear down those that are doing well so that there is less of a gap between the two groups. Redistribute the wealth was one of his big statements. We are going to have to get like that commercial where they scream 'Its my money, and I want it NOW'. But we will be screaming 'ITS MY MONEY, AND I WANT TO KEEP IT!'

What's funny and sickening at the same time is working dims (though there aren't all that many more than welfare dims) will complain about not having enough money in their pockets yet they vote for the party who's only goal in life is to take as much of THEIR money as they can!

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You rugged individualists might be singing a different tune when your pensions are taken away when a vulture eats up your employer and forces it into bankruptcy and the courts make your pensions the last on the list to be resolved!

I don't have a pension, so no, I'm not too worried about that.

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Add in a bout of cancer and see how long you last without SSDI for which you have paid into for years!

Well, you're talking about the "safety net" aspect of social security. I'm not convinved we needed it, but that's already done. I still don't see how getting a government check at an arbitrary age is a "safety net."

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Your stocks are slid downward in comparison to a few years ago, your house was never worth a million dollars

Mostly, these are/were government created problems.

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Remember, "conservatives" please, yours are only opinions, and not more. Others have differing ones. My how "Enlightenment" of us! Not to march in lock step one and all . . . .

I agree, although I'm not a "conservative." Some people have certain opinions/preferences while others have different opinions/preferences. If you're of the opinion that violence and coercion are wonderful things, then please continue to keep that opinion and support big government programs. If you're of the opinion that violence and coercion are horrible, then don't support government programs.