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The Chicago Police Department has a new slogan, "First you shoot them, then you sue them".  A policeman fatally shot a 19 year old kid and accidentally killed a neighbor has sued the teenagers estate for 10 million dollars because killing the kid left him traumatized. Is this outrageous?

Times Daily, Feb 7, section A, page 4

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No it's not outrageous, and I applaud the lawsuit. It's about time the right one was sued. Maybe you could start putting a few FACTS in your statements/posts. Oh, look who I'm telling to use facts.

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Both parties have filed civil wrongful death suits over the incident. But now Joel Brodsky, an attorney representing Officer Rialmo, says he plans to file a counterclaim against the estate of Quintonio LeGrier because, he said, LeGrier attacked the officer, assaulting him and causing emotional distress, CBS Chicago reported.

The LeGrier family attorney Bill Foutris called the move a baseless and desperate attempt to deflect attention from the fact that Rialmo shot LeGrier four times in the back without justification.

On the night of the incident, family members reportedly called police to their home because the teen was threatening his father with a baseball bat. LeGrier himself also called 911 three times.

Detectives described LeGrier as being "combative" before he was shot.

Officers who responded to the call "were confronted by a combative subject resulting in the discharging of the officer's weapon," the Chicago Police Department said in a brief statement after the incident.

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The unusual case began the evening of Dec. 26, when Quintonio LeGrier called 911 three times, begging dispatchers to send police to his home.

 

Although details of the evening are “murky,” one thing is certain, according to the Chicago Tribune: Rialmo, a 27-year-old white police officer, was dispatched to the home of LeGrier, a 19-year-old black man. After Rialmo’s arrival at the scene, he fired six rounds at LeGrier, who was fatally wounded, as was his neighbor, Bettie Jones.

LeGrier’s father, Antonio LeGrier, subsequently filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against Rialmo and the city of Chicago. Now, in what one local attorney has described as an “outlandish” twist in the case,  the police officer has filed a countersuit against LeGrier’s estate, “arguing the shooting was forced by the teen’s actions and caused the officer ‘extreme emotional trauma.’”

According to Rialmo’s countersuit, LeGrier swung a baseball bat at the officer’s head, twice, at close range. The third time LeGrier picked up the the bat to swing, Rialmo opened fire on the man, the officer said in his suit.

“Lately, it seems people have had a tendency to treat confrontations with police officers like a lottery ticket they can cash in,” Joel Brodsky, Rialmo’s lawyer, told the Chicago Sun-Times. “In this case, a lawsuit against my client was filed before a funeral was held.”

Brodsky added: “Antonio LeGrier should be held accountable for his actions. He assaulted my client before a shot was fired, which caused the death of an innocent mother of five children ... My client feels horrible Bettie Jones is dead because of the actions he was forced to take.”

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According to Rialmo’s countersuit, LeGrier swung a baseball bat at the officer’s head, twice, at close range. The third time LeGrier picked up the the bat to swing, Rialmo opened fire on the man, the officer said in his suit.

Do you really believe it happened that way? Do you admit that the cop killed the kid and sued him, and probably his family, because killing the kid caused him mental anguish?

The kid may have needed killing, (a lot of police shooting is justified) but to sue because you feel bad because you killed him? That don't seem right.

Sounds like LeGrier called police because of a Crazy Kid trying to hurt folks around him with baseball bat. When cop came into place where Crazy Kid was hanging out, Crazy Kid started swing at cop. Cop shot kid multiple times. 

I know I would hate to have a job where you have to "Try to Deal and Rationalize" with CRAZY PEOPLE, Every... Single... Day.. and Night... There are some really rough neighborhoods southside of Chicago... Not enough money to hire me to work their...No Sir...

jtdavis posted:

According to Rialmo’s countersuit, LeGrier swung a baseball bat at the officer’s head, twice, at close range. The third time LeGrier picked up the the bat to swing, Rialmo opened fire on the man, the officer said in his suit.

Do you really believe it happened that way? Do you admit that the cop killed the kid and sued him, and probably his family, because killing the kid caused him mental anguish?

The kid may have needed killing, (a lot of police shooting is justified) but to sue because you feel bad because you killed him? That don't seem right.

Seems as right as the family suing cops they called to handle their problem. What did they want the cops to do? They should have gotten him mental help if they were so concerned. The lawsuit against the cop was filed before the funeral. Shameful.

First off, it was the lawyer of the punk's family that coined the phrase "First you shoot them, then you sue them".  Another Johnnie Cochran wannabe.

I pretty sure the emotional distress is coming from the fact that when the punk swung a bat at the officer's head (aka a kill shot) and he was forced to shoot in self defense, a innocent bystander was struck by his bullet and killed.  I bet he hasn't shed the first tear for the punk, why would he?

 

According to his relatives, LeGrier was a college student who was working on overcoming some "mental health issues" that had started after he went off to school at Northern Illinois University. At NIU, LeGrier was a sophomore majoring in electrical engineering, as well as an "avid runner," according to the Chicago Tribune. His father, Antonio, said that he was "a very smart kid with a bright future" who had emotional troubles that made him angry. 

 

Officers were reportedly summoned to LeGrier's home after he started banging on his father Antonio LeGrier's bedroom door with a baseball bat, so the father called 911 asking for help.

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An angry man, (not a kid) off his meds, coming at you with a baseball bat, and this after numerous calls to 911. So I do wish jt would answer the question, what was the cop supposed to do? IF he was no danger, why didn't his dad just handle him like they thought the cop should do? Why call 911?

Which Is It: Angry Man or Just a Kid?

If a Kid - then Daddy needed to bend kid over knee and give a good spanking and tell him what he was doing wrong. (Daddy won't have to call 911)

If a Angry Man (CRAZY) - Lock him Up and Sue the Family for letting him run Loose. Opps, Crazy 19 yr.old got Shot after swing bat at Cops Head with intent to Kill.

Jt, please answer, what was the cop supposed to do? Was he supposed to stand and let the nut bash him in the head? Killed by a crazy person because his family wouldn't insist he got help? This wasn't a kid like you called him.

My previous post:  

The kid may have needed killing, (a lot of police shooting is justified) but to sue because you feel bad because you killed him? That don't seem right.

I never said that he shouldn't have shot him.

jtdavis posted:

Jt, please answer, what was the cop supposed to do? Was he supposed to stand and let the nut bash him in the head? Killed by a crazy person because his family wouldn't insist he got help? This wasn't a kid like you called him.

My previous post:  

The kid may have needed killing, (a lot of police shooting is justified) but to sue because you feel bad because you killed him? That don't seem right.

I never said that he shouldn't have shot him.

Maybe he's suing because he feels bad about the woman that the nut job caused to be killed. You don't think cops have feelings? And, if they start suing a few of the thugs' families maybe a few of them will start thinking twice before bringing frivolous lawsuits against cities.

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“Lately, it seems people have had a tendency to treat confrontations with police officers like a lottery ticket they can cash in,” Joel Brodsky, Rialmo’s lawyer, told the Chicago Sun-Times. “In this case, a lawsuit against my client was filed before a funeral was held.”

Brodsky added: “Antonio LeGrier should be held accountable for his actions. He assaulted my client before a shot was fired, which caused the death of an innocent mother of five children ... My client feels horrible Bettie Jones is dead because of the actions he was forced to take.”

jtdavis posted:

One more time; I have not dissed the cop for shooting the kid, but for the 10 million dollar lawsuit against the kid that he killed.

One more time, I didn't mention "dissing the cop", but if you didn't mean to, why post, "The Chicago Police Department has a new slogan, "First you shoot them, then you sue them", and call him a kid?  I asked in "understandable English", why not sue the family? Do you claim the cop is incapable of feeling "emotional distress" over shooting anyone, even someone you say "needed killing", and especially an innocent bystander that would not have been shot and killed had it not been for the "angry man wielding a baseball bat, a man that refused to take his meds." A man whose own father felt so threatened by him that he called 911 for help, then has the nerve to sue the ones that came to help him? The lawsuit was filed before the funeral!

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jtdavis posted:

My client feels horrible Bettie Jones is dead because of the actions he was forced to take.”

Where was the woman? Was she in front, behind, above, or was she looking out from her door on a lower level? How good a shot was the cop? Was he firing wildly? 

Kinda supports the premise that a lunatic was swinging a bat at his head, don't ya think?

It's a known fact that a trained shooter using a handgun will hit a moving target 1 out of 3 shots on average.  If someone is running at you, shoot until you run out of ammo.

It sounds like they are being given the wrong type training. I've saw videos, I've got some military training, I was far better at point and shoot than I was at proper aiming.

jtdavis posted:

It's a known fact that a trained shooter using a handgun will hit a moving target 1 out of 3 shots on average.  If someone is running at you, shoot until you run out of ammo.

It sounds like they are being given the wrong type training. I've saw videos, I've got some military training, I was far better at point and shoot than I was at proper aiming.

Shooting at paper in a no risk environment is an apples to oranges comparison. 

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