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Jt has to run in and start his anti-cop, everyone is picked on, the cops are out to kill all blacks, and all are innocent spiel. Jt, you can read can't you? You do see the comments of folks saying that something is amiss with the story? With the anti-cop rhetoric the lefties and media use today, it is natural to be suspicious when they only toss out a little "blurb" about such a story. Then you cop haters run in, put YOUR spin on it, and run with your lies spreading them like it's the gospel. By the time the truth comes out, it's too late, you've done your damage. Then IF it was something where the cops were completely wrong, no one cares. They figure it's just more of the left's constant attack on law enforcement, which it almost always is.

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"Kinsey is black. Police haven't released the name or race of the officer who shot him."

I wonder why the one that recorded it didn't say what the cops race was? Not mentioning his race is another curious thing. Usually the headlines SCREAM "white cop shoots unarmed black man."

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jtdavis posted:

Did he have his hands held up in a threatening manner? He must have, at one point, the police was hiding behind the utility pole while the guy that got shot was laying down with his hands up. But wait, it's the guy's fault that took the video. My fault.

I'd love to know how you consider your snarky post "agreeing with me". I did not in any way insinuate it was the fault of the one that took the video. Your entire post was your spinning it into the cops trying to kill an unarmed black man. Seems to me they could have done it, with him on the ground and all. That is why I said it's going to take some explaining.

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direstraits posted:

The case is curious.  While it was reported that a man was attempting suicide, there was never a firearm.  Reportedly, when the caregiver asked the LEO why he was shot, the answer was, "I don't know."  Calls for a real investigation. Bet the caregiver will have a nice check towards retirement.  Good thing no one was killed. 

Three shots fired, maybe around him and one accidentally hit his leg, or maybe it kicked up something that hit him. I hope we do find out what happened.

Jt, this is what you posted. No where in it does it say there is some explaining to be done. Instead you go off on your little snarky post on what you want to say happened.

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Did he have his hands held up in a threatening manner? He must have, at one point, the police was hiding behind the utility pole while the guy that got shot was laying down with his hands up. But wait, it's the guy's fault that took the video. My fault.

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jtdavis posted:

Did he have his hands held up in a threatening manner? He must have, at one point, the police was hiding behind the utility pole while the guy that got shot was laying down with his hands up. But wait, it's the guy's fault that took the video. My fault.

Ah JT still have not learned to wait and get all the facts then pass judgement.  The video only shows the aftermath not the shooting.  If the cop did wrong after ALL the information and investigation is complete then punish him.

jtdavis posted:

The video only shows the aftermath not the shooting. 

the video also showed the man laying on the ground with his hands raised before the shooting.?

How long before the shooting?  Minutes? seconds"? you really are a wild card are you not?  Any reasonable person would get ALL the evidence and investigate then pass judgement!

jtdavis posted:

‘He missed’: Fla. officer who shot therapist was aiming for man with autism, police say

http://wgno.com/2016/07/21/he-...h-autism-police-say/

This was just on TV news too. Thats another worry. If he's shooting at a sitting target and hits someone else, Andy is gonna have to take Barney's bullet away again. The cop has been on the force several years and should have been a better shot.

should have been a better shot and shot the autistic man instead.

There!  Finished your sentence for you.

 

jtdavis posted:

should have been a better shot and shot the autistic man instead.

Bud, he should be able to hit what he was aiming at. He should not have shot either one of them.

You are an experienced rifleman.  You've said so.  In the Army, you fired supported over known ranges at relatively slow rates of fire with little stress other than making qualification.  Did you always hit what you aimed at?  According to you, you should have but we know better, don't we?

He should not have shot either one of them.  If only we could unring the bell.

To be fair to the police officer, in this open season on LEO's, he probably was too focused on the autistic man's movements and didn't hear the therapist telling him the "gun" was a toy truck. I imagine many LEO's in areas where there is a good number of BL(ies)M folks would be feeling a might stressed and go to work expecting the worst.

 

OK, let's do this.

Why would they be aiming at the autistic guy?

The LEO perceived the autistic guy to be a threat.

didn't hear the therapist telling him the "gun" was a toy truck.

Selective hearing can be a barrier to situational awareness.  Any combat vet will verify this.  Hearing none here, you'll just have to take my word for it.

feeling a might stressed and go to work expecting the worst.

Always.  That is why we have special family goodbyes before going to work.

I think "barney's" gun did go off, or something!

The LEO did discharge his weapon, intentionally.  No "thinking" or "something" about it.

The cop has been on the force several years and should have been a better shot.

Years on the force does not translate to better shots.

In the ream of this application of deadly force, based solely on the information  I have been able to gather, the shooting was less a matter of accuracy and more a lack of judgment.

 

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As to believing the autistic patient was reloading a weapon, rather than playing with his toy truck, didn't the SWAT team have a pair of field glasses to check?  Did the officer who shot have a scope on his rifle?  And, if so, why didn't he use the scope to check for the presence of a weapon before firing?  Not just Barney Fife, but the Keystone Kops appear to be the model for this force.

direstraits posted:

As to believing the autistic patient was reloading a weapon, rather than playing with his toy truck, didn't the SWAT team have a pair of field glasses to check?  Did the officer who shot have a scope on his rifle?  And, if so, why didn't he use the scope to check for the presence of a weapon before firing?  Not just Barney Fife, but the Keystone Kops appear to be the model for this force.

These questions and a lot more are going to be answered.  Until then, I'll reserve my opinion regarding facts not yet in evidence.  Don't know if there was a problem with just this incident or if the problem is systemic throughout the department.

 

budsfarm posted:
direstraits posted:

As to believing the autistic patient was reloading a weapon, rather than playing with his toy truck, didn't the SWAT team have a pair of field glasses to check?  Did the officer who shot have a scope on his rifle?  And, if so, why didn't he use the scope to check for the presence of a weapon before firing?  Not just Barney Fife, but the Keystone Kops appear to be the model for this force.

These questions and a lot more are going to be answered.  Until then, I'll reserve my opinion regarding facts not yet in evidence.  Don't know if there was a problem with just this incident or if the problem is systemic throughout the department.

 

Poor training can initiate bad results.  I remember, years ago, a roof top sniper in New Orleans was taken out by the police.  Numerous officers were shot.  When, forensics were finished with ballistics, it emerged  most of the officers were shot by fellow officers -- a true circular firing squad.

direstraits posted:
budsfarm posted:
direstraits posted:

As to believing the autistic patient was reloading a weapon, rather than playing with his toy truck, didn't the SWAT team have a pair of field glasses to check?  Did the officer who shot have a scope on his rifle?  And, if so, why didn't he use the scope to check for the presence of a weapon before firing?  Not just Barney Fife, but the Keystone Kops appear to be the model for this force.

These questions and a lot more are going to be answered.  Until then, I'll reserve my opinion regarding facts not yet in evidence.  Don't know if there was a problem with just this incident or if the problem is systemic throughout the department.

 

Poor training can initiate bad results.  I remember, years ago, a roof top sniper in New Orleans was taken out by the police.  Numerous officers were shot.  When, forensics were finished with ballistics, it emerged  most of the officers were shot by fellow officers -- a true circular firing squad.

I remember it well and used it in my training curriculum.  I could cite others.  But it remains to be seen if that event is applicable to this event or not. 

Bestworking posted:

Another dilemma for demoslops. An (apparently) hispanic cop wounds a black man. How do they protest that one!

The same way they persecuted the Hispanic Zimmerman! Also they have someone else to blame:

City Manager Larry Spring Jr. said Friday that commander Emile Hollant is suspended without pay. Spring declined to give specifics about how Hollant allegedly fabricated information about Monday's shooting of Charles Kinsey by Officer Jonathan Aledda.

"He totally violated his trust from the public to protect and serve by giving misinformation to this department," North Miami Councilman Scott Galvin said at Friday's news conference. "He not only jeopardized Mr. Kinsey's life and the life of his client but he jeopardized the life of every police officer who serves this city."

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/l...oting-387961252.html

 

Stanky posted:
Bestworking posted:

Another dilemma for demoslops. An (apparently) hispanic cop wounds a black man. How do they protest that one!

The same way they persecuted the Hispanic Zimmerman! Also they have someone else to blame:

City Manager Larry Spring Jr. said Friday that commander Emile Hollant is suspended without pay. Spring declined to give specifics about how Hollant allegedly fabricated information about Monday's shooting of Charles Kinsey by Officer Jonathan Aledda.

"He totally violated his trust from the public to protect and serve by giving misinformation to this department," North Miami Councilman Scott Galvin said at Friday's news conference. "He not only jeopardized Mr. Kinsey's life and the life of his client but he jeopardized the life of every police officer who serves this city."

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/l...oting-387961252.html

 

Last sentence in the article:

The shooting remains under investigation.

 

budsfarm posted:
Stanky posted:
Bestworking posted:

Another dilemma for demoslops. An (apparently) hispanic cop wounds a black man. How do they protest that one!

The same way they persecuted the Hispanic Zimmerman! Also they have someone else to blame:

City Manager Larry Spring Jr. said Friday that commander Emile Hollant is suspended without pay. Spring declined to give specifics about how Hollant allegedly fabricated information about Monday's shooting of Charles Kinsey by Officer Jonathan Aledda.

"He totally violated his trust from the public to protect and serve by giving misinformation to this department," North Miami Councilman Scott Galvin said at Friday's news conference. "He not only jeopardized Mr. Kinsey's life and the life of his client but he jeopardized the life of every police officer who serves this city."

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/l...oting-387961252.html

 

Last sentence in the article:

The shooting remains under investigation.

 

Also in the article: "The State Attorney's office is investigating."

I believe George Zimmerman was investigated by the Florida State Attorney's office as well, and we know how that turned out. Maybe Loretta Lynch will send some investigators as well and some other folks will also join the circus. In this modern age, we might as well consult the Ouija board for the facts. At least no one died and others might learn from this.  

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