Tulsa, Oklahoma policewoman charged with murder in the death of a man?? Wasn't another policeman charged with murder out there? Is this locality doing a honest investigation? Is this the only place that is?
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The South Carolina officer was justifiably indicted and charged for shooting the unarmed black man in the back and this woman has now been charged in the shooting of that man who obviously didn't have a weapon either. Still in this case the man was obviously not obeying officer's orders but in both cases the question is does that warrant firing a shot that can be deadly verses one that incapacitates or firing a first shot away from the individual in order to get their attention or letting them know that potentially the next shot would be harmful to them? I don't feel right judging any of them from what I've seen but from all I've seen the South Carolina officer seems to have had far less to substantiate his case.
While officers, given their greater responsibility and power should exercise more control and judgment than anyone else just like a pastor should be above reproach and held to a higher standard than their congregation officers should know they have a greater responsibility having the power of life and death in their hands. Still people that are confronted by police should be respectful of their authority and COMPLY with their request even if the officer is wrong and allow the justice department to work and correct any errors made. No one is ever justified in running from police or not obeying the commands issued them by law enforcement and no violence, in response to these events, is justified nor should it be condoned and accepted.
Violence against innocent individuals is a crime as well and unjustifiable as is vigilantism which these individuals are doing when they let their protest get out of control and violent. It would be no different than innocent people who aren't law enforcement taking law enforcement into their own hands allowing their own emotions to become the rule of law., actually worse because they are using these occasions to be lawless and be destructive themselves, considering themselves to be above the law.
If an officer does wrong then the officer should be held accountable just like any other citizen would be and anyone that uses violence or lawlessness in response to any of these tragic events should be prosecuted or should also be arrested, tried, and prosecuted or meet with an appropriate response. I dare to say but the day is coming when one of these people responding to violence seeks to pull some innocent person out of their vehicle and will meet with deadly resistance themselves account of it. It is becoming an escalating situation but much because many of those escalating it are themselves lawless individuals taking the situation for an opportunity rather than their being justified protesting.
jtdavis posted:Tulsa, Oklahoma policewoman charged with murder in the death of a man?? Wasn't another policeman charged with murder out there? Is this locality doing a honest investigation? Is this the only place that is?
Link? Is this the "only place that is" what?
jtdavis posted:Tulsa, Oklahoma policewoman charged with murder in the death of a man?? Wasn't another policeman charged with murder out there? Is this locality doing a honest investigation? Is this the only place that is?
Give me a freaking break the vast majority of these people who get shot, do so by their actions!!!! It is simple comply to instructions and have your day in court! To ask anyone "yes even LEOs" to let a bad guy get to a gun or shoot first is an idiot!! You know why the last darling of the BLM and media the guy who supposedly had a CCW permit and was shot while is girlfriend was in the car dropped out of the conversation? Well as Gomer would have said SURPRISE SURPRISE he is the guy who in fact robbed the store and the cigarettes were in his trunk! In the end this guy will had in fact had a gun "there are already pictures of it" and sorry if not P.C. deserved to get shot by his actions. Sadly even is this is true the BLM and supporters will still say he did not deserve to get shot and die. Listen in the end I do not want people to get shot and die but some people either by their deeds or actions deserve it.
giftedamateur posted:jtdavis posted:Tulsa, Oklahoma policewoman charged with murder in the death of a man?? Wasn't another policeman charged with murder out there? Is this locality doing a honest investigation? Is this the only place that is?
Link? Is this the "only place that is" what?
Apparently the cop hater jt thinks because other cops were found to be justified in the shootings, and not guilty of any wrong doing, it means other "localities" didn't do an "honest" investigation. He thinks every cop is guilty of everything claimed against them.
jtdavis posted:Tulsa, Oklahoma policewoman charged with murder in the death of a man?? Wasn't another policeman charged with murder out there? Is this locality doing a honest investigation? Is this the only place that is?
The female Tulsa PD officer was charged with manslaughter not murder. A year or so ago a Tulsa SD reserve deputy was charged with manslaughter and convicted. Big difference between murder and manslaughter.
So jt fibbed?
Whose coat tails am I riding jt? What do the cops bullets have to do with your lie about what the cop was charged with?
Something else in that article, "shelby did not activate her patrol cars dashboard camera". Does a cop have the option of leaving their car cameras off? I thought it came on automatically.
It might be informative if we knew more of the record of the Tulsa "killer cop". Here's some info about a Cleveland "killer cop":
Ohio officer who shot 13-year-old had saved another boy's life years earlier
The Columbus police officer who fatally shot a 13-year-old black boy during an armed robbery investigation once helped save the life of another black boy the same age, police records show. He has also been involved in other shootings, including another fatality, in which he was cleared of wrongdoing.
Officer Bryan Mason, a member of the force for almost 10 years, shot Tyre King multiple times Sept. 14 after the boy ran from investigators and pulled out a BB gun that looked like a real firearm, police have said. The boy's death has inflamed tensions over the safety of blacks in Ohio's largest city and adds to a list of killings of black males by police that are attracting national attention.
Mason's prior shootings have been reported by The Columbus Dispatch and information from his personnel file has been reported WSYX-TV in Columbus. But an interview with a victim in one of the shooting cases, along with incident reports and police investigation documents obtained by The Associated Press through a public records request, give new details and provide more insight into Mason's history as an officer.
Mason, who is white, was honored by the department for "quick actions" that helped save the life of a 13-year-old black boy who tried to hang himself in 2012. He and another officer immediately performed CPR until medical help arrived.
Mason, 31, was put on administrative leave immediately after Tyre's shooting -- standard procedure after police shootings. His other shootings include the 2012 death of a white man holding another white man at gunpoint, two nonfatal shootings and the shooting of a dog that bit a fellow officer.
Attorneys for the boy's family have called for an independent investigation and question whether there's more to Mason's involvement in other shootings.
"How many shootings is too many before the Franklin County Prosecutor's Office and City of Columbus step in and ask the Department of Justice to investigate this shooting and this officer," attorney Sean Walton said in a written statement.
The head of the local police union defends Mason, saying he did what he was trained to do under the circumstances.
There are "some very bad people in this world doing very bad things, and Bryan is not afraid to go out and address those issues to make our community safer," said Jason Pappas, the president of the police union representing Mason. Pappas said the officer is assigned to a special team that responds to higher priorities in the city and provides support to officers on patrol.
Pappas said Thursday that Mason has apparently returned to work.
In his nearly four years as union president, Pappas said, he has not been aware of any disciplinary problems on Mason's part. He was part of citizen complaints to the department, as is often the case with officers, according to copies of internal affairs records. In most cases, his actions were found to be within police policy.
Pappas said Mason's shootings were all ruled justified, and he expects Tyre's will be, too.
Columbus resident Jason Blackburn said he owes Mason his life after the officer shot and killed the man who held him at gunpoint in December 2012.
"I have five children," Blackburn, 45, said in an interview. "And if it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have a father."
Mason gave the suspect three chances to drop his weapon, Blackburn recalled. "I was surprised he even waited that long."
Highlights from Mason's personnel file, incident reports, investigation records and other police documents:
-- In 2009, Mason was among officers who returned fire on a white man who later killed himself. The suspect fired an AK-47 out of a window at officers after he fled from a traffic stop. One officer was shot in the cheek, and another was hit in a bulletproof vest. Mason earned a department award for his role in containing "the violent situation."
-- In 2013, Mason shot a 22-year-old black man who allegedly ran from a vehicle during a traffic stop and then pulled a gun on the officer. A police review board found Mason's actions within policy. The man was shot in the hip and survived. He told police he never pointed the gun at Mason, records show. Mason told investigators he feared for his life.
-- Mason has met or exceeded the police department's performance standards. A May evaluation notes that he "generally maintains composure under stress" and demonstrates "exceptional verbal skills" in defusing "potentially hostile situations."
-- People he has helped have praised his actions. One woman said Mason and another officer showed understanding and care in helping her during a "psychotic breakdown." Another woman said Mason and other officers did "an outstanding job" in ridding a park of gang members.
jtdavis posted:Something else in that article, "shelby did not activate her patrol cars dashboard camera". Does a cop have the option of leaving their car cameras off? I thought it came on automatically.
What article are you referencing? How can you post excerpts, yet claim you can't post linkks?
jtdavis posted:Something else in that article, "shelby did not activate her patrol cars dashboard camera". Does a cop have the option of leaving their car cameras off? I thought it came on automatically.
In most cases the camera turns on when they turn on their emergency lights.
In most cases the camera turns on when they turn on their emergency lights.
Thanks
Question, have the police changed the type bullets that they use in the last few years? - jt
There is no standard law enforcement bullet caliber or projectile design. Would not be uncommon to find agencies with the same county to use not only different bullets but weapons as well. Also, agencies to transition from / to either or both for various reasons - cost, operation, condition, effectiveness to name a few.