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Police with Dogs: Vaccinating Kids

J Jan55Old Faithful
Police with Dogs: Vaccinating Kids in Maryland

by Barbara Loe Fisher

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." - Martin Niemueller

I watched them bundled up against the cold winter air on Saturday, November 17, 2007, with their children and the letter from the State of Maryland threatening them with imprisonment or fines of $50 a day for failing to show proof their children had gotten a chickenpox or hepatitis B shot. Confused, angry or scared but mostly resigned, they were working mothers and fathers trudging toward the courthouse to face the Judge ordering them to get vaccinated or go to jail. Patrolling the scene was a SWAT team of policemen with dogs.

There were a few vaccine safety and informed consent advocates who showed up to witness what happened at the Prince George's County Courthouse, among them Washington D.C. Attorney Jim Moody and autism activist Kelli Ann Davis, of SAFEMINDS and Charles Frohman, representing the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nr-11-16-07.php as well as several Moms with children who developed autism after vaccination.

The U.S. media turned out but they were kept behind barricades and denied access into the building, as were the advocates and other members of the general public. There was no public oversight on what was happening to the parents and children inside.

I listened to or spoke with several mothers leaving the building with their children and learned the sad truth about what was happening behind the closely guarded, closed doors of the Courthouse. The parents were not being asked questions about their child’s medical history or whether the children had experienced health problems after previous vaccinations. The parents were not being given information about vaccine side effects or how to monitor their children for signs of vaccine reactions. They were not given forms for religious and medical exemptions to vaccination allowed in Maryland (see the video of my debate on CNN the day before with Vanderbilt’s Bill Schaffner, M.D. plus a video of a Saturday CNN interview with Jim Moody http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/17/maryland.vaccines/index.html#cnnSTCText)

Apparently, the children were being re-vaccinated with not just hepatitis B and chicken pox vaccines, the two new vaccines added to the Maryland school requirement list, but also with other required vaccines for which the public school system could find no record. One mother told me her children were up-to-date on their shots but the school system lost the records and she had to give her children all the required vaccines on the spot or face jail or fines.
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J Jan55Old Faithful
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." - Martin Niemueller
J Jan55Old Faithful
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
So, was it the police giving the shots, or the dogs?

I bet it was the dogs...them sneaky devils.



You did not read the article instead you were just running your mouth as usual. Yes,Vaccinating Kids in Maryland.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by PBA:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
So, was it the police giving the shots, or the dogs?

I bet it was the dogs...them sneaky devils.



You did not read the article instead you were just running your mouth as usual. Yes,Vaccinating Kids in Maryland.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill


I read the article. As well as your poorly worded title which gives the literal impression that "Police with dogs are vaccinating kids".

And it's my mouth, and I'll run it as I see fit, without any input requested or accepted from you.

Have a nice day Big Grin
J Jan55Old Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by PBA:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
So, was it the police giving the shots, or the dogs?

I bet it was the dogs...them sneaky devils.



You did not read the article instead you were just running your mouth as usual. Yes,Vaccinating Kids in Maryland.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill


I read the article. As well as your poorly worded title which gives the literal impression that "Police with dogs are vaccinating kids".

And it's my mouth, and I'll run it as I see fit, without any input requested or accepted from you.

Have a nice day Big Grin



Thats cool I am use to it. You also have a great evening. Wink


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill
S SaltyDogPost Master
PBA, I don't feel the least bit of sympathy for these parents. They've had since before the school year started to call and ask their pediatricians for another copy of the vaccination records if the school really "lost" theirs. The only way to get the point across to some people is to force their hand, as in this case. If kids were given double doses of a vaccine because the parent was too darn lazy to do the phonework or legwork to get the records, too bad so sad. I'm betting the "lost" records excuse is just that, an excuse. It's a darn shame that parents won't do the right thing for their kids without threats.
J Jan55Old Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by SaltyDog:
PBA, I don't feel the least bit of sympathy for these parents. They've had since before the school year started to call and ask their pediatricians for another copy of the vaccination records if the school really "lost" theirs. The only way to get the point across to some people is to force their hand, as in this case. If kids were given double doses of a vaccine because the parent was too darn lazy to do the phonework or legwork to get the records, too bad so sad. I'm betting the "lost" records excuse is just that, an excuse. It's a darn shame that parents won't do the right thing for their kids without threats.




You got me there, and can't argue this one. I agree! Smiler
I interventorPost Master
One policeman with one dog, neither giving the shots.

More die from the diseases protected against than any supposed adverse effects. And, as the article stated:

"There has been talk this past week about whether or not U.S. vaccine laws are, indeed, laws or whether they are simply recommendations that do not have the force of law behind them. Because the enactment of public health laws was not defined in the U.S. Constitution as a federal activity, in 1905 the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the power of the states to pass public health laws requiring citizens to be vaccinated or re-vaccinated. http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/vaccines/Jacobson_v_Massachusetts.htm

There is now more than 100 years of case law reinforcing the U.S. Supreme Court decision and the right of states to exercise police power to enforce vaccine laws."
I interventorPost Master
Alphonse,

Would you rather outlaw tobacco and see dealers in the street? Shootouts on the southern border for smuggled tobacco? Lawmen killed and innocent lives ruined by false accusations. We have enough of that now with marijuana (of use, I do not personally approve) and in the past with alcohol.

Shouldn't we learn from out past and present mistakes. Government is not the cure for all ills.
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
I think it is ironic that the state pretends to care so much about your health, and then makes millions off of tobacco taxes. Tobacco related illnesses kills a lot more people than chicken pox ever did.


What the gov't is doing is protecting my kid from your kid by requiring the vax's for all kids. Have you seen any pictures of what some of these diseases can do. Go check out some pictures of small pox victims. Not pretty.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Alphonse:
I think it is ironic that the state pretends to care so much about your health, and then makes millions off of tobacco taxes. Tobacco related illnesses kills a lot more people than chicken pox ever did.

But remember you don't have a choice in whether or not you catch a communicable disease, as opposed to throwing down $3 for a pack of cigarettes. The real question is how many people out there who smoke two packs aday do not have insurance and or refuse to buy it, but will spend $100 amonth on cigarettes. That population is also one of the ones with the most health problems (pneumonia, COPD, coronary disease, atherosclerosis).
It is also a shame that these parents were forced to abide by what is considered good helath practices and it required the police to get their attention. Though I do not want to see a police state where everything I do or say much be OK'ed by the government, it is a shame that others have to force us to do what is in our own best interest.

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