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It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.


True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?
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Originally posted by Chow:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
How odd that Pravda sounds more like American Conservatives than Communists. How the world has changed.


You of all people should be able to recognize self denial.


I recognize desperation and unhappiness with the results of the last Presidential election, and the hysterical cry of "wolf!" on the part of those who suddenly find themselves in a position they are unhappy with. Its expected and fairly typical. Its pure hyperbole and extremism which we have all come to accept from some of you. I think it fairly safe to say that those who supported the "Stimulus Package", the "bailouts" and other measures to stabilize our markets and the larger economy did not do so in order to march us towards "Communism". The same charge was lodged during the Great Depression, when conditions were far more favorable for such an eventuality. Still it did not happen - we did not become a Communist state. It is sad when politically disaffected Americans seize upon the writings of Pravda, to try and make political points. Pravda is doing their part to play the American right and the American right is clearly ready to dance to the tune Pravda plays.
Meanasanostrich,

It's confirmed. You have lost your mind. Your delusion is showing. You have succeeded in making a mockery OF YOURSELF!!!And more of that "insult masked in the serene theater of condescension and arrogance" from you.

I no more align myself w/ Pravda than you do with GW, but when they swoon and drool on themselves, at the obvious changes taking place in the US, it is proper to point it out.
Pravda is a propagandist rag. If you wish to look to that obscure bastion of mid 20th Century commie babble as a source for news on THIS nation, help yourself. I will stick to the facts as outlined by our nations leaders - both Democrat AND Republican - before I seek the advice and opinions of a relic in a nation which is a ghost of its former self, and scarcely even "Communist" at this point.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by Chow:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
How odd that Pravda sounds more like American Conservatives than Communists. How the world has changed.


You of all people should be able to recognize self denial.


I recognize desperation and unhappiness with the results of the last Presidential election, and the hysterical cry of "wolf!" on the part of those who suddenly find themselves in a position they are unhappy with. Its expected and fairly typical. Its pure hyperbole and extremism which we have all come to accept from some of you. I think it fairly safe to say that those who supported the "Stimulus Package", the "bailouts" and other measures to stabilize our markets and the larger economy did not do so in order to march us towards "Communism". The same charge was lodged during the Great Depression, when conditions were far more favorable for such an eventuality. Still it did not happen - we did not become a Communist state. It is sad when politically disaffected Americans seize upon the writings of Pravda, to try and make political points. Pravda is doing their part to play the American right and the American right is clearly ready to dance to the tune Pravda plays.


I like Obama, just can't stand his philosophy of government. It's social engineering and we are heading into a quagmire of government control all in a guise of helping the poor. The elements are there for the poor to achieve, you can't make the poor do so, they have to do it themselves. Obama and Sotomayor are 2 prime examples. Wink

I was not for Bush starting this bailout binge and Obama has definitely used the hype to forward his dream of Social Justice.

He's a community organizer, what more do you need to understand.
Hugo Chavez apparently thinks Obama has Marxist leanings and has a new book for Obama to read.

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President Hugo Chavez says he has a new book for President Barack Obama: "What Is to be Done?" by communist Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Soviet state.

Chavez says he'll "give it to Obama at the next meeting."

"What Is to be Done?" is Lenin's political treatise on the role of intellectuals and the proletariat in promoting revolution, written more than a decade before he led the Bolshevik takeover of Russia in 1917.
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Along with "Das Kapital", I am sure Obama has read it. I wonder if Obama is working on "Mein Kampf"?
"I was not for Bush starting this bailout binge and Obama has definitely used the hype to forward his dream of Social Justice."

If you wish to see "hype" read the ridiculous, inflammatory language used by some of your friends above. Instead of reasoned and intelligent discourse, they have resorted to the same tired multi-front, baseless, reactionary accusations which make the authors look foolish, but have proven to be totally ineffectual in the past. The more unproven, extremist rhetoric you fling like apes throwing crap at the glass wall in the Zoo, the smaller your audience will be and the crap NEVER hits its target. Trying to paint President Obama as being the same as Hitler, Marx, and using Pravda as your reference is NOT going to win you any points - like it or not. Its a tactic that will fail. President Obama won by nearly 9 million votes. He IS the duly elected President of the U.S. He is not a Communist, he is not Muslim, he is not a Fascist, or a Socialist. He is an American just like all of us. Instead of lying, or using Chavez, and Pravda as a rallying point, I would suggesting acting like Americans.

P.S. Social justice is not just a term used by the Green Party. Christians churches also strive for "Social justice".
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Originally posted by interventor1:
Today's Pravda is a sensationalist magazine with little of its former content, but just as believable.

Yes, social justice is used by churches -- liberal ones more interested in politics than religion.


Well, of course it would be "believable" if they were printing something politically useful to your rhetorical purpose. Again - remember the "monkey house".

Actually the term "social justice" is used by the Evangelical movement, Catholics, and many others for its advancement of causes related to the poor and children.

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Originally posted by interventor1:
Queen snake,

The article is over the top with its description of US churches, but does well describe some of our education system.

As the same issue carries first hand experiences with fire breathing djinn, I would not quote from it even, if it supported my views -- believability counts.


Glad to hear it.

Yes, our educational priorities are in total disarray.

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