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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
I realize there's the Sinners prayer to receive salvation.
Does God/Jesus hear any other prayer of a sinner?

Bill, just so you know before writing 10 paragraph's, I can't see your post...you know, as in Ignore. Wink



semi,

Every one of them, and will be waiting for more. He loves any prayer, It's
his direct attention from us that there's not enough of.
I believe He hears all true heart felt prayers.
(By that I mean praying for Alabama to score a TD doesn't count! Wink )
I also believe that what we pray for may not be in our best interest for the future so He may deny a request if it is not going to make us better prepared for what lies ahead.
And I also think that some prayers are answered 'no' even though at the time it may seem cold and cruel. That is when faith in the outcome takes all you have.
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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Never known a girl that cared that much about atheism or harassing a 70 year old. Just pointing that out.


I don't believe that Semi is atheist. She has stated on more than one occasion that she believes in god.

As for harassing an old man, well either you choose not to or you haven't seen the posting by Bill Gray. He gets what he gives. I don't care how old he is, he doesn't deserve respect he has not earned.

You must be one of his few followers. I do pity you for that.
Semi,
Given the circumstances I think logic would hold that prayer from the tongue of the blasphemous would bear painful retribution in the form of education to the guilty party causing collateral damage to the innocent.

If some atheist should announce prayer you would be well advised to find yourself somewhere else.

Quickly.
When and how did atheism get brought into this discussion by Semi?

Can you christians, (with the exception of b50m) not give her an answer without trying to turn it in to a debate on atheism?

Is your belief that weak?

Here you have a fellow believer and yet you can't help her question in any straight forward manner.

Semi, I think you are smart enough to see what is going on with Ronnie and Buffalo/rramm/gsman. They have no idea what to say to you. They have no valid response.

I will refrain from telling you what I think about prayer because I feel you ask this question of the christians here on the forum. I hope you get some sort of real answer. I think b50m has done the best (and only real) job of answering you. She is truly trying to help. The others...they have their own agenda, and could really care less about your spiritual uncertainty.

I am editing this to say, sorry Kraven, you did give her a caring and thought out response. Didn't mean to put you in the same category as the 2 trolls in this discussion.
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
When and how did atheism get brought into this discussion by Semi?

Can you christians, (with the exception of b50m) not give her an answer without trying to turn it in to a debate on atheism?

Is your belief that weak?

Here you have a fellow believer and yet you can't help her question in any straight forward manner.

Semi, I think you are smart enough to see what is going on with Ronnie and Buffalo/rramm/gsman. They have no idea what to say to you. They have no valid response.

I will refrain from telling you what I think about prayer because I feel you ask this question of the christians here on the forum. I hope you get some sort of real answer. I think b50m has done the best (and only real) job of answering you. She is truly trying to help. The others...they have their own agenda, and could really care less about your spiritual uncertainty.

I am editing this to say, sorry Kraven, you did give her a caring and thought out response. Didn't mean to put you in the same category as the 2 trolls in this discussion.


Jank dear,

,dawkins teaches that culture can be broken into atomistic bits like genes, that these bits are somehow represented inside the head, and especially that they can evolve to be organisms in their own right, often spreading at the expense of their human hosts, like the demons of old.

Semi has been exposed to the diseased brains of dawkins hitchens and puppet shermer through the infected brains of our resident atheist.

Semi has admitted a struggle. One could suspect an infection. We must hope an inoculation will grow and boost immunity to what we might refer to as The dawlikns Disease.
I think "the sinner's prayer" is a suggestion, just like when Jesus suggested "The Lord's Prayer". He wasn't telling us to recite it, He was telling us that these are the things we should be praying for to please God. Using our OWN words is probably better because they would come from the heart, not by rote.

So if a person recites the "sinner's prayer", that's OK, but it would be better to look into our own hearts and repent in our own words. I would think that would be more sincere.
Ronnie P, who said I "cared so much" about atheism? Yes, I've asked questions about it...how do we learn if we don't asked those that do know, no matter what the subject might be?
Harassing an old man? What do you call his judgmental crap he says to some of us on this forum?

buffalo, I don't understand why you & Ronnie P. feel the need to bring atheism into this? My question was sincere. If you don't have any sincere answers for me, stay out of the play ground.....please. Frowner

For those of you that take my question seriously, this scripture is the reason I asked.
John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. (KJV)

It seems to indicate that God only hears the prayer of the saved. I know people that believe in God but have not yet been saved.
Seems you have to take that step before He hears you. If that is true, I find that to be very sad.
I offered to assist semi in private conversation rather than here on this public forum.

I will say this to semi:
More than likely some idiot without credentials as being perfect has assumed the license of making you feel guilty about something that is not remotely their business.

My advice to you girl is to hold your head up and be semi.

There are a few on here like myself that don’t care what others opinion about us may be.

I know I give jank hell but I’m not serious atall I know she loves it for some macabre reason.

She gives me hell and I love it for some macabre reason.

Don’t take other folk serious semi. Laugh at them and have fun while you can.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
I offered to assist semi in private conversation rather than here on this public forum.

I will say this to semi:
More than likely some idiot without credentials as being perfect has assumed the license of making you feel guilty about something that is not remotely their business.

My advice to you girl is to hold your head up and be semi.



So you do have a heart!!!! Smiler

I agree ( Eeker ) with buffalo. And it truly made my brain hurt to say that.
Semi,

Praying to God if a form of worshiping God. So when the sinner prays to God, God does hear him. The prodigal son is a good example, God always receives us, and hears us even when we aren't at our best.
Remember how Mary Magdalen went to Jesus. She was a sinner, but she reached out to Him by washing His feet with her tears, and drying them with her hair. In prayer the sinner reaches out to God, and is always welcome.

God sent Jesus to the sinners, so God is expecting to hear from sinners.

Feel comfort in Luke 15:7

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents.....

Hope this helps..... Smiler
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Ronnie P, who said I "cared so much" about atheism? Yes, I've asked questions about it...how do we learn if we don't asked those that do know, no matter what the subject might be?

For those of you that take my question seriously, this scripture is the reason I asked.
John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. (KJV)

It seems to indicate that God only hears the prayer of the saved. I know people that believe in God but have not yet been saved.
Seems you have to take that step before He hears you. If that is true, I find that to be very sad.


Semi,

That's not true. God hears you. I know there are times when you think he's
not listening. Sometimes he will delay because he likes to hear you talk
only to him. He loves and likes to hear from you, often.
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Originally posted by Kraven:
quote:
Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Ronnie P, who said I "cared so much" about atheism? Yes, I've asked questions about it...how do we learn if we don't asked those that do know, no matter what the subject might be?

For those of you that take my question seriously, this scripture is the reason I asked.
John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. (KJV)

It seems to indicate that God only hears the prayer of the saved. I know people that believe in God but have not yet been saved.
Seems you have to take that step before He hears you. If that is true, I find that to be very sad.


Semi,

That's not true. God hears you. I know there are times when you think he's
not listening. Sometimes he will delay because he likes to hear you talk
only to him. He loves you and likes to hear from you, often.
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
When and how did atheism get brought into this discussion by Semi?
Can you christians, (with the exception of b50m) not give her an answer without trying to turn it in to a debate on atheism?
Is your belief that weak?
Here you have a fellow believer and yet you can't help her question in any straight forward manner.


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Originally posted by buffalo:
Jank dear,
Semi has been exposed to the diseased brains of dawkins hitchens and puppet shermer through the infected brains of our resident atheist.

Semi has admitted a struggle. One could suspect an infection. We must hope an inoculation will grow and boost immunity to what we might refer to as The dawlikns Disease.


buffalo, I have no more been exposed to atheism than the "Christians" here that expose me to deception of hypocrisy. There’s nothing more unjust than being a hypocrite.
I'm not saying you are one but I've certainly seen more concern out of some atheist than I have some Christians.
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. (KJV)

It seems to indicate that God only hears the prayer of the saved. I know people that believe in God but have not yet been saved.
Seems you have to take that step before He hears you. If that is true, I find that to be very sad.


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Originally posted by Kraven:
Semi,
That's not true. God hears you.


Then explain it. The scripture says he does not hear sinners, only worshipper's of God.
Semi,
Not to discourage you from praying but in all my years I have never seen any evidence that prayers are answered.

Does God hear them? I have no way of knowing.

Some say God listens and answers prayers. That point I will not argue.

I think God gives us the gumption and intellect to solve our own dilemmas.

After all we enjoy so much from God and are spared many bad things that could have happened.

Could be something really bad might happen to you in the future and your situation now might prove to be the better if you could choose.
I've seen things happen that people were praying for but I don't think it was God that made it happen, I think it was just coincidence.
Of course, you can't convince those people of that.

I have prayed for a certain something, did I receive it...of course not.

The words "I'm praying for you" "I'm praying for a healing" "I'm praying for this or that".
I don't think the people that say those words really believe it. Not sure why they say it. Just habit maybe or feel they should?

If we are spared from bad things that could happen, then who/what spared us from it?

Change my situation to what? Confused
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. (KJV)

It seems to indicate that God only hears the prayer of the saved. I know people that believe in God but have not yet been saved.
Seems you have to take that step before He hears you. If that is true, I find that to be very sad.


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Originally posted by Kraven:
Semi,
That's not true. God hears you.


Then explain it. The scripture says he does not hear sinners, only worshipper's of God.



You haven't turn your back on God. You say you are a believer. If he didn't hear
sinners it would be silent in heaven. God let's the person who abandons him
go his own way. He will give you every chance you need, and then your on
your own. Don't fall to despair thinking about it. God knows who seeks him
and those who who don't. Your not the sinner he's talking about.
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Originally posted by Kraven:
You haven't turn your back on God. You say you are a believer. If he didn't hear
sinners it would be silent in heaven. God let's the person who abandons him
go his own way. He will give you every chance you need, and then your on
your own. Don't fall to despair thinking about it. God knows who seeks him
and those who who don't. Your not the sinner he's talking about.


I'm not sure what I believe.

How do you or I know that I haven't already been given my share of chances & that I'm not one of those he has abandoned already?
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
I've seen things happen that people were praying for but I don't think it was God that made it happen, I think it was just coincidence.
Of course, you can't convince those people of that.

I have prayed for a certain something, did I receive it...of course not.

The words "I'm praying for you" "I'm praying for a healing" "I'm praying for this or that".
I don't think the people that say those words really believe it. Not sure why they say it. Just habit maybe or feel they should?

If we are spared from bad things that could happen, then who/what spared us from it?

Change my situation to what? Confused


Ah ha semi,

"The words "I'm praying for you" "I'm praying for a healing" "I'm praying for this or that".
I don't think the people that say those words really believe it. Not sure why they say it. Just habit maybe or feel they should"

You have been praying for the ability to read minds and tell fortunes.

Unfortunately those gifts are reserved for those who are struck by lightning and survive.

My atheist friend just recently was struck by lightning , survived and low and behold has those gifts.

If you are interested I will set up an occasion where it can be found if you are just whining for sympathy and what the future holds for you.
The so-called "sinner's prayer," that is, the one that so many revivalists, promoters, televangelists and others put forth as the way to be saved, is nownere taught for that purpose in scripture. In all of the accounts of lost folks being saved in the the entire book of Acts, there is no instance of any of them saying, or being told to say, the "sinner's prayer."

Lost persons in Acts 2, when "p r i c ked in their hearts," asked "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" Peter, who was preaching the gospel to these lost souls, did not tell any of them to say a "sinner's prayer" or any other prayer. He told them to, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Ananias, who met Paul in Damascus after Paul's encounter with Jesus on the road to that city, did not tell Paul to say a prayer of any kind. He told him to "Repent and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Was Paul saved before he obeyed this instruction. Seems not to be the case, since in his encounter with the Lord, he was told, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
No "sinner's prayer" for Paul and no "sinner's prayer" for those at that Pentecost gathering in Jerusalem, and no "sinner's prayer" urged on any lost souls seeking salvation in the New Testament accounts of the First Century church---but the cavalier revisionists of our day have widely adopted the un-Biblical "sinner's prayer" as the gateway to salvation. One has to wonder....Is the "sinner's prayer" really a Satanic alternative to the true path to salvation, a diversion from God's New Testament plan of salvation to confuse and delude masses of sinners into believing they are saved when they are not?
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
quote:
Originally posted by Kraven:
You haven't turn your back on God. You say you are a believer. If he didn't hear
sinners it would be silent in heaven. God let's the person who abandons him
go his own way. He will give you every chance you need, and then your on
your own. Don't fall to despair thinking about it. God knows who seeks him
and those who who don't. Your not the sinner he's talking about.


I'm not sure what I believe.

How do you or I know that I haven't already been given my share of chances & that I'm not one of those he has abandoned already?



Well I'm sure you believe or you wouldn't be as concerned. You know your OK
when you tell God in your own special private way you wish to walk in his light.
Ask for the grace to better understand, and you wish to be with him in his
family in heaven. Don't talk yourself out of it or over think it.

You being a strong willed person is good in other areas, But let God be the
strong one for you. Give your heart and worries him. He can handle it. He
just wants you to cross that line, and you have.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Ah ha semi,
You have been praying for the ability to read minds and tell fortunes.

if you are just whining for sympathy and what the future holds for you.


I haven't been praying for myself or anyone, don't know where you got that. I don't want or need the ability to read minds or tell fortunes.

I didn't really see any of my statements or questions as whining & I'm certainly not asking for sympathy.
I really don't understand your problem with me.

I wish I had never started this stupid topic!!
I'm out of here.
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Originally posted by beternU:
The so-called "sinner's prayer," that is, the one that so many revivalists, promoters, televangelists and others put forth as the way to be saved, is nownere taught for that purpose in scripture.


My question was not intended to be anything about the sinners prayer.
It was about a sinner praying. There's a difference, so I changed the topic name.
semi,
To me what the scripture says is that a sinner who does not want to change from their ways will not be heard. God has to hear prayers from sinners as all of us are guilty of something.Smiler

He does not hear the sinner who wants to continue to live as they are, He does hear the sinner who realized their mistakes and want to change.

Mark Twain had a great line (paraphrasing here):
Satan was the worst sinner there ever was, who prays for him?
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Ah ha semi,
You have been praying for the ability to read minds and tell fortunes.

if you are just whining for sympathy and what the future holds for you.


Buffalo, careful dear or you'll choke on one of your chips.
I do foresee the future, and yours if full of it.
Now go wait in the truck with the other children.
Hi Chick,

You ask, "I realize there's the Sinners prayer to receive salvation. Does God/Jesus hear any other prayer of a sinner?"

Only if those prayers begin with a prayer like this, but, in your own words:

"Lord, I know I am a sinner and not worthy of Your love. But, Lord, I now, right this moment, want to turn from following the world and turn to following You for the rest of my life. I realize that I will often stumble and fall in my Christian walk, but, those are the times I know that You will be their to lift me upon Your wonderful shoulders and carry me through my difficult moments.

Lord, thank You for dying on the cross to offer me salvation; thank You for resurrecting into life eternal to make eternal life possible for me. Lord, thank You for now being my personal Lord and Savior -- and thank You for personally taking this petition, this prayer, I offer -- directly to the hands of God the Father Himself. Be my Lord and Savior forever. I ask this in Your holy name. Amen."


Once the sinner has prayed this prayer or a similar prayer, the Holy Spirit will indwell him/her, and seal him/her for the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30), i.e, for eternity. At this point, the Sinner becomes the "Forgiven Sinner" -- and has the personal promise of Jesus Christ that this newly "Forgiven Sinner" has eternal security in Jesus Christ (Romans 8:1) and His personal promise of eternal life (John 6:47).

From this time forward, into all eternity, all of this Forgiven Sinners' prayers go straight to the Throne Room of God. And, ALL WILL be answered. Some will be "Yes" -- some will be "No" -- and some will be, "Wait a while, My child." Why "My child"? Because when Jesus Christ gave you the "free gift" of salvation, when the Holy Spirit indwelled and sealed you -- you became a Child of God (John 1:12) -- and no one or no thing can EVER take this God-given gift from you.

So, Chick, time to start praying. But, don't forget to start with the "Door Opener Prayer" first -- the one that starts with, "Lord, I am a sinner -- please forgive me!"

Next, Chick, you tell me, "Bill, just so you know before writing 10 paragraph's, I can't see your post -- you know, as in Ignore."

Praise God for small favors! Now, I can write and our Forum Friends can read -- without what I share being muddied by your unbelief!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Ronnie P.:
Never known a girl that cared that much about atheism or harassing a 70 year old. Just pointing that out.

Hi Ronnie,

Thanks for your help -- but, that is 73 YEARS OLD. Please don't take away some of my best years -- those last three on the TimesDaily Religion Forum. Without those years, how would I have ever become acquainted with Chick and Deep?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by O No!:
I think "the sinner's prayer" is a suggestion, just like when Jesus suggested "The Lord's Prayer". He wasn't telling us to recite it, He was telling us that these are the things we should be praying for to please God. Using our OWN words is probably better because they would come from the heart, not by rote.

So if a person recites the "sinner's prayer", that's OK, but it would be better to look into our own hearts and repent in our own words. I would think that would be more sincere.

VERY WELL SAID, O NO! - AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! - AND GOD BLESS!

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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
I offered to assist semi in private conversation rather than here on this public forum.

Say what? Confused

I just went back to look at my PM's to make sure I hadn't overlooked any. There is no PM from you.

Hi Semi,

Buffalo did make that offer on the open forum. I believe it was about a month or so ago. I do recall seeing it. Buffalo offered to go to PM with you -- but, the initial offer was on the forum.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by House of David:
Semi,

Praying to God is a form of worshiping God. So when the sinner prays to God, God does hear him. The prodigal son is a good example, God always receives us, and hears us even when we aren't at our best. Remember how Mary Magdalene went to Jesus. She was a sinner, but she reached out to Him by washing His feet with her tears, and drying them with her hair. In prayer the sinner reaches out to God, and is always welcome.

God sent Jesus to the sinners, so God is expecting to hear from sinners.

Feel comfort in Luke 15:7, "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance." Hope this helps.

Hi David,

The key phrase in all this is "one sinner who repents." If the person does not first repent and seek salvation -- his/her prayers are not heard. That "prayer of repentance" is the door opener.

God gave us the "free will" to either accept Him or to reject Him. If one rejects God, why should God hear his prayers and petitions? This person obviously wants nothing to do with God -- so, God will not bother him/her -- unless this person "repents" and asks to come into the family of God, i.e, the prodigal son returning to where he originally began.

Yes, we all originally began, when a small innocent child, as His precious children. And, if, as a child before the age of accountability, we would have died -- we would have gone directly into the arms of Jesus Christ.

After the age of accountability -- we must first "open the door" (Revelation 3;20) -- and this is done with that simple prayer, "Lord, i am a sinner. Please forgive me. . ."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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After the age of accountability -- we must first "open the door" (Revelation 3;20) -- and this is done with that simple prayer, "Lord, i am a sinner. Please forgive me. . ."


God hears the prayers of children. Age of accountability has nothing to do with prayer. God hears all who seek Him with a sincere heart. A mandated prelude is not required.
Semi, I echo the others- if God didn't hear sinners, there would be absolutely no prayers audible- cause we are ALL sinners.
And although God loves us deeply, he does hate our sins, and waits for us to draw closer to Him in repentance. I disagree with Bill Gray in that there are criteria that have to be met in order for the Holy Spirit to come.
No way. Any sincere prayer is pleasing to God.
Thanks for starting this= great topic.
But I will say that the "age of accountability" and required components of prayer part is hogwash. SmilerCheers...Veep!

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