Originally Posted by Bestworking:

LOLOLOL, oh for crying out loud!!! Gb says:

 

most skeptics and non-believers say definitely for they cannot dare to acknowledge or believe that God may have answered a very public and open prayer.  People certainly prayed throughout the drought as the are in Texas.  Cherry pick all you want as to try and discount what happened but the fact was that this happened and very much appears as a direct answer to the Governor's and states call to prayer. 

Bestworking, whoever you are, do you have a problem with the word "appears as".    If I was certain it was a direct answer to the people's prayers I would have stated such.  I would have said that it was a definite answer to the people's prayers, but I did not say this.  

 

Do I believe it was?  I very much believe it could be but just as with other prayers or request to and of God ... God is not controlled by any person or group of people that He abides by our request or wishes.  Who are we to think that God would?  I am still amazed that God would put Himself upon a Cross and suffer physical pain ( pain in and through the body of Jesus Christ, God in Human Fleshly Body) so that we, humans, would have a perfect blood sacrifice to atone for our sins against Him.  It makes no logical sense why a God would do such a thing but then I believe there is little about God that we, humans, can conceive and understand.  That is why we must approach God in Faith.

 

So what is so funny about the post you seem to find amusing?

Jennifer says: "You just post the same thing over and over even when you get answers."

 

Wow. I've been saying that about you atheists for a couple of YEARS now. I think if it weren't for the atheists jumping in with their insults and "deludeds", some of us Christians could have some very interesting and productive discussions. Of course, you try to derail any discussion we might try to have, and then you post the same five or six questions, worded slightly differently each time. Then you ignore or ridicule the answers because you aren't really interested in answers - you're just looking for another excuse to bash us.  

Originally Posted by O No!:

Unob, I have finally had time to go back and reread this whole thread. The conclusion I have come to is that, A) GB was THERE, and if he heard on radio and TV that no county went without rain, I believe him. B) He NEVER said that it was BECAUSE of the governer's prayer that it rained. and C) You are once again twisting people's words to try to prove some pointless point.

 

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AAAaaaaaahhhhh!

 

Look at the maps, Ono!  Gosh!

 

GB said (this is a direct cut and paste)  "If you don't want to believe it then don't, no skin off me but I lived there, I saw it happen and transpire and I fully believe God Chose that moment to answer that specific prayer in a most demonstrative way in that ALL Counties of Georgia saw and experienced Rain in that next 24 hours. "


and he said, " "Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue....Prayed, to God, for help from the drought (....) The next day/night (it rained) on a day that it was not forecast to do so."


Y'all are just looney!

Hi GB,

Uno has declared, "Your religion has deluded you so much that you will completely shield yourself from any and all contradictory evidence that you are wrong.  That is just plain stupid."

And, you correctly respond to his huffing and puffing:


Over the days that I participated continually in the forum I've always wondered why atheist and non-believers are so  prevalent in a forum that seems dedicated to something they either reject or don't believe in or about a God or Deity that they say doesn't exist or that they don't care about.

Each of you, in your own way, seek to do battle with God, you seek to defeat God to overwhelm God -- to be supreme to God and that impossibility resonates within your conscience.  That inner created soul/spirit within you,  that same one that will still exist after your physical body dies, longs to know it's creator and without that right relationship with God, it's creator, is an unsatisfying thorn in your flesh.  It eats you alive that there is some need for God that you cannot squelch.

So, you seek to do battle with that urge and need, in effect do battle with God who is convicting you with His Holy Spirit, by doing battle with God by proxyYou cannot silence God or defeat God so you battle is carried to those who represent God, those who call themselves Christians or believers, on here.

You may present a case on here where you seemingly prevail over God or where you feel you have prevailed over some other Christian who disagrees with you but what you are doing is trying to silence that inner call, from God, that lets you know that there is something else that you do not grasp and that is a right relationship with the (your) creator.

You cannot battle God -- so you battle those that are called by His name.  You seek to demean them or ridicule them in your attempts to do the same to God hoping that will give you the feeling of overcoming God.  Yet, it does little to actually end that inner torment that you deal with every second, every minute, every day.

I do truly believe that many of you are here for that reason.  You wish to overcome and convince others, including convincing yourself, that you have overcome and defeated God.  You seek to blame "our Religion" or claim we are deluded by belief in a God that somehow you cannot experience or know.

The reason you don't know God is you have never met God or given yourself over to God and allowed God to introduce  Himself to you and reconcile your inner spirit with His Holy Spirit.

There may be a few that are here (who) only to be (as) destructive as they can and abusive as they can.  But, I believe  the real reason is what I said above.  There is an inner battle being waged with God's Spirit within and you seek to overcome God by overcoming His proclaimed servants.

You wage a battle by Proxy for you cannot overcome God and stop that inner torment and inner decision that  you deal with daily.  The only way you will overcome that torment is to allow God to speak with you and humble yourself enough to listen.

Jesus Christ died for us to have that ability to actually communicate with God directly and not have to go through a priest or a Holy of Holies.  Through Christ, and our acceptance of His Sacrifice on the Cross for our Sins, we actually have direct access to God and can experience the magnitude of being before God.  There IS no question about "IF God exist" -- for that is answered in a most demonstrative way, by God Himself.

Debate and verbally wage written battle with words as much as you want on these forums, with those of us who call ourselves Christian -- but know that God does His own dealing with people and the real question you must ask, and answer, is whether God is actually the one dealing with you.  For that inner void and vacancy doesn't go away or get better on it's own -- or by any prevailing, one way or the other, over people who say they believe in God.

I have no way of proving any of that (what I have written about atheists is true).  But, I fully believe that to be the case for some of those here -- and why they are here so often -- and in every topic.  They are here for a need.  And (it is) one which cannot be squelched by calling any of us demeaning names or seeking to prevail in an open debate.


GB, all I can add to this is:  AMEN!   AMEN!  AMEN!

Thank you for so clearly stating what is abundantly obvious to all of us.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Originally Posted by gbrk:

Do you not think all stations and people were not looking at results the following days?  The prayer issue was a big story t

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Yes, it was a big story,. GB.  We atheists were laughing out butts off at the gall of the govnah calling for a rain dance WHEN RAIN WAS PREDICTED.

 

Same thing happened in Alabama when Govnah Riley called for a week of prayer here in Alabama between Junme 30 and July 7th.  Guess what?  A front just happened to be moving through during that time, too. Take a look for yourself: http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/d.../index_20070703.html 

 You fundies do know that this was exactly how much of the bible was written too, right?  In fact, it is pretty well established that many of the "prophecies" in the Old Testical  were sort of adjusted after the fact to match some of the stuff in the New Testical.  Yes, history was actually re-written by the true believers who didn't like the history that was recorded so made their own.  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Naw unob, the maps and graphs are photoshopped!!!  And if gb says he didn't post something, even if it's still there in black and white, you have to take his word he didn't post it.

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And they wonder why we can't seem to have a "civil conversation."

More on coping with the drought

Just like Perdue — and the National Weather Service — said, it was a rainy night in Georgia on Wednesday.

The rain was triggered by a cold front coming through, and it was expected to last until the early hours of Thursday morning.

"It will tease us a little bit," said Lans Rothfusz, meteorologist in charge at the Weather Service, "but it will come nowhere close to breaking the drought. The ground is so dry, it will absorb everything that falls on it."

More than 250 faithful Georgians joined Perdue outside the Capitol to ask for divine intervention to end the historic drought.

The faithful ought to keep praying.

Thursday is expected to be cooler with morning clouds, afternoon sun and only a 20 percent chance of rain.

Friday will be sunny and cool, with the chance of rain falling to 10 percent.
ed....

1. Georgia is in severe drought
2. Governor Perdue decides to pray for rain on Tuesday
3. Forecast called for rain Tuesday
4. Prayer service goes ahead as planned
5. Skies completely clear up immediately following prayer service
6. No rain

Maybe there is a god and he wants everyone to be atheists? Perhaps, all these years he's been trying to conceal himself via the world's seemigly utter randomness, but these stupid hominids keep using their highly evolved pattern recognition-cognition appendages to try and attribute events to him. Events that he has nothing to do with.

You athiests will all be sorry when your day comes and you are all burning and screaming for mercy that wont ever come in hell! I'll be laughing at you.

Hahaha, Johnnie-boy. Perhaps your deity has started creating hell right smack in the middle of the Bible Belt. Now wouldn't that be a delicious irony? Hey, pass the marshmallows, wouldyapal?

Normally I'd delete comments like john's, but I'll leave this one intact as evidence of the extremely evil and wicked nature of people who follow beliefs like his.

And, I acknowledge, Georgia did in fact receive some rain today. (The fact that the National Weather Service was predicting rain prior to the prayer session will, I'm sure, make no difference to the terminally credulous.) I hereby pronounce myself duly awed by the wonder-working power of prayer, and I'd certainly renounce my atheism forthwith and praise Jesus - except for one little, inconvenient fact.

Lanier got 0.11 inches of rain yesterday (while the lake fell about 3 more inches) and has seen a total of 0.92 inches today. Sadly, despite the rain, the lake is down 0.05 feet for the day — about 1/2 inch.

Evidently, Gov. Perdue's god is teasing him.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Jennifer says: "You just post the same thing over and over even when you get answers."

 

Wow. I've been saying that about you atheists for a couple of YEARS now. I think if it weren't for the atheists jumping in with their insults and "deludeds", some of us Christians could have some very interesting and productive discussions. Of course, you try to derail any discussion we might try to have, and then you post the same five or six questions, worded slightly differently each time. Then you ignore or ridicule the answers because you aren't really interested in answers - you're just looking for another excuse to bash us.  

I surely must have missed something, but with your post, I am now assuming that Jennifer is Bestworking?    If so thank you for illuminating that as I before chose not to respond, address, or have dialog with Jennifer account of her continual twisting and deliberate misuse of the intent of what I had to say or post.  

 

I can see that the same Bitter poison that was being spread then has not moderated or changed in any way so I shall maintain my decision not to respond and shall include the other ID she choses to use.  It serves no profitable purpose to have dialog with someone who has no desire in considerate debate but rather chooses to use deception as a tool to attempt to change and alter what one says without any acknowledgment or regret.  Thank you for that illumination.

 

Additionally Uno is correct in his direct quotes of what I posted in other replies.  Your interpretation of my intent and what I actually said is also spot on.  The fact still remains that I did not insist that the rain was definite answer to the Prayers but what I did mean was that God could have chosen that moment in time, given the highly publicized public prayer, to make it rain.  That if that was God's choice in answering the prayer that it was in a demonstrative way because it did rain in all Georgia Counties over the following day(s) so no County went without rainfall of some measure.

 

The second direct quote UNO used was also correct and factual.  Sonny Perdue did pray and have his specified day of prayer and it did rain the following days and on a day, in certain places, that it was not forecast to rain.   True there were areas that it was forecasted to rain and it did rain but the following was also true:

 

  • The day of prayer was set up and organized before the forecast included rain so the prayer was not scheduled to coincide with a specific forecast.
  • There were areas that received Rain where it was not forecasted to rain
  • There were days where rain was forecast yet did not see rain on the days it was forecasted to rain
  • There were numerous local broadcast, in Macon and Atlanta, and weather reports the following days where it was stated that all Georgia counties saw a measure of rain and that no county went totally without.
  • It appears that UNO will find anyway to spin his mis-wording of what I actually said in order to try and keep from admitting that he did so incorrectly.
  • The post speak for themselves.  Although anyone can intrepret them to say what they want I did not insist that this was a direct answer to the prayers but instead that it could have been and that if God did choose to answer those prayers He did so in a convincing or demonstrative way by having no Georgia county go completely dry.

The fact remains that whenever some non-beliver or atheist takes what we say out of context or twist it around they will never own up to it or make correction or retractions.  There is much hypocrisy in many things they say or post.  They say Christians judge them or people yet they do essentially the very same thing only when they do it they make it personal in a demeaning way.

 

They jump on me saying I am being repetitious concerning asking the question of why atheist or non-believrs are so drawn to this forum and say they answered it before yet either I wasn't here when they answered it before, to see, or there was no real answer provided.  Could just be that it wasn't the question that was ask which caused the problem, and terse responses, but the answers that would have been revealed.  Either way it sure ruffled some feathers (as the saying goes).  

 

They, though, harp on essentially the very same things over and over yet expect a pass. They say or do essentially the very same things they are always accusing us of doing but either selectively cannot see it or recognize it themselves.

 

Thank you O No for correctly pointing out what was obvious by reading what was posted and I also express appreciation to my Christian Brother in Christ, Bill, for his agreement in my previous post.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi GB,

Uno has declared, "Your religion has deluded you so much that you will completely shield yourself from any and all contradictory evidence that you are wrong.  That is just plain stupid."

And, you correctly respond to his huffing and puffing:


Over the days that I participated continually in the forum I've always wondered why atheist and non-believers are so  prevalent in a forum that seems dedicated to something they either reject or don't believe in or about a God or Deity that they say doesn't exist or that they don't care about.

Each of you, in your own way, seek to do battle with God, you seek to defeat God to overwhelm God -- to be supreme to God and that impossibility resonates within your conscience.  That inner created soul/spirit within you,  that same one that will still exist after your physical body dies, longs to know it's creator and without that right relationship with God, it's creator, is an unsatisfying thorn in your flesh.  It eats you alive that there is some need for God that you cannot squelch.

So, you seek to do battle with that urge and need, in effect do battle with God who is convicting you with His Holy Spirit, by doing battle with God by proxyYou cannot silence God or defeat God so you battle is carried to those who represent God, those who call themselves Christians or believers, on here.

You may present a case on here where you seemingly prevail over God or where you feel you have prevailed over some other Christian who disagrees with you but what you are doing is trying to silence that inner call, from God, that lets you know that there is something else that you do not grasp and that is a right relationship with the (your) creator.

You cannot battle God -- so you battle those that are called by His name.  You seek to demean them or ridicule them in your attempts to do the same to God hoping that will give you the feeling of overcoming God.  Yet, it does little to actually end that inner torment that you deal with every second, every minute, every day.

I do truly believe that many of you are here for that reason.  You wish to overcome and convince others, including convincing yourself, that you have overcome and defeated God.  You seek to blame "our Religion" or claim we are deluded by belief in a God that somehow you cannot experience or know.

The reason you don't know God is you have never met God or given yourself over to God and allowed God to introduce  Himself to you and reconcile your inner spirit with His Holy Spirit.

There may be a few that are here (who) only to be (as) destructive as they can and abusive as they can.  But, I believe  the real reason is what I said above.  There is an inner battle being waged with God's Spirit within and you seek to overcome God by overcoming His proclaimed servants.

You wage a battle by Proxy for you cannot overcome God and stop that inner torment and inner decision that  you deal with daily.  The only way you will overcome that torment is to allow God to speak with you and humble yourself enough to listen.

Jesus Christ died for us to have that ability to actually communicate with God directly and not have to go through a priest or a Holy of Holies.  Through Christ, and our acceptance of His Sacrifice on the Cross for our Sins, we actually have direct access to God and can experience the magnitude of being before God.  There IS no question about "IF God exist" -- for that is answered in a most demonstrative way, by God Himself.

Debate and verbally wage written battle with words as much as you want on these forums, with those of us who call ourselves Christian -- but know that God does His own dealing with people and the real question you must ask, and answer, is whether God is actually the one dealing with you.  For that inner void and vacancy doesn't go away or get better on it's own -- or by any prevailing, one way or the other, over people who say they believe in God.

I have no way of proving any of that (what I have written about atheists is true).  But, I fully believe that to be the case for some of those here -- and why they are here so often -- and in every topic.  They are here for a need.  And (it is) one which cannot be squelched by calling any of us demeaning names or seeking to prevail in an open debate.


GB, all I can add to this is:  AMEN!   AMEN!  AMEN!

Thank you for so clearly stating what is abundantly obvious to all of us.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Be careful GB. Be careful Bill. When I posted the same sentiments, I was called "HATEFUL".

Originally Posted by O No!:

Jennifer says: "You just post the same thing over and over even when you get answers."

 

Wow. I've been saying that about you atheists for a couple of YEARS now. 

For God's sake, please don't group all atheists together like that. 

Uno,   Where did I insist and declare dogmatically that God did this in response to the Prayer?  You pasted copies of what I wrote, when you replied to O NO were not me saying that this was definitely God doing it.  I have always been consistant in maintaing that God could have done it.  That God does answer prayers.

 

Also I have been consistant in saying God, today, in this time does not act as He did in times before with mankind or humankind.  Today we are under a period and Covenant (Agreement) of Grace whereby by Faith man is justified by belief in Jesus Christ, God's Son and only appointed way by which Mankind's sins can be forgiven.  In times before Christ God could and did bring direct Judgment and Wrath upon nations and peoples for various reasons but this is not that time period so people who are of the opinion that Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Droughts, Floods whatever malady hits is God's wrath just do not comprehend or understand Scripture as to how God is dealing with humankind today, after Jesus Christ.  

 

Another thing that has changed is humankind's relationship with God the Father.  Before Jews and surely gentiles could not even approach God to look upon His Face or countenance without sure and immediate death.  Only the High Priest could enter into the Temple's Holy of Holies once a year on a specified day under very strict directions and preparations to approach God for forgiveness.  Jesus Christ did away with that system and through Jesus Christ we have access direct to God via God's Holy Spirit which literally resides along with our inner spirit of those whom know God and are His.  We, Christians, are Blood Brothers and Blood Sisters not by physical human blood that runs through our physical bodies but by the Holy Spirit account of the Blood that was shed on the Cross by Christ crucified account of our, everyone's, sins.  It is the only way by which we can please God and be acceptable to God.

 

The ripping of that temple curtain that separated the people from God's Holy of Holies was symbolic of the new Covenant/Agreement between man and God and symbolic of man's direct access unto God to present his/her needs.

Matthew 27:50-54 (NIV)
{50} And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
{51} At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.
{52} The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
{53} They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
{54} When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

Originally Posted by gbrk:

Uno,   Where did I insist and declare dogmatically that God did this in response to the Prayer?  You pasted copies of what I wrote, when you replied to O NO were not me saying that this was definitely God doing it.  I have always been consistant in maintaing that God could have done it.  That God does answer prayers.

 

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This is a direct direct quote from you, GB, "Cherry pick all you want as to try and discount what happened but the fact was that this happened and very much appears as a direct answer to the Governor's and states call to prayer. "

 

What the hell, GB?  My goodness, man.  You and Ono are completely out of touch with reality.

 

Quite entertaining, though.  

Oh, by the way Unob, when did you have the transplant, and are they both working, or is one of them just for show?

 

Unob says (in a rather juvenile way, if you ask me):

 "In fact, it is pretty well established that many of the "prophecies" in the Old Testical  were sort of adjusted after the fact to match some of the stuff in the New Testical."

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by gbrk:

Uno,   Where did I insist and declare dogmatically that God did this in response to the Prayer?  You pasted copies of what I wrote, when you replied to O NO were not me saying that this was definitely God doing it.  I have always been consistant in maintaing that God could have done it.  That God does answer prayers.

 

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This is a direct direct quote from you, GB, "Cherry pick all you want as to try and discount what happened but the fact was that this happened and very much appears as a direct answer to the Governor's and states call to prayer. "

 

What the hell, GB?  My goodness, man.  You and Ono are completely out of touch with reality.

 

Quite entertaining, though.  

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uno,,,when did you become such an expert concerning the will of God????

 

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OMG! I really can't believe that GK is doing it again. Yet I guess I should not be surprised. It is his MO. I have been in this same situation with him in a discussion a few months ago. He makes statements and then when it gets heated and its pointed out how rediculous he is being he starts back tracking and saying that he didn't mean the words he said. He then claims that we have twisted it to mean something other than what he meant. Some how we are all supposed to see inside his mind and figure out what he meant regardless of the words he post.

 

GK you said you believed it was God answering the prayers. Why are you ashamed of that stance now? Is it because you are starting to realize how insane that truly is?

 

O No, do you believe that God made it rain in GA due to the day of prayer? Not a hard question, but you seem to not want to answer it.

 

OMG! I really can't believe that GK is doing it again. Yet I guess I should not be surprised. It is his MO. I have been in this same situation with him in a discussion a few months ago. He makes statements and then when it gets heated and its pointed out how rediculous he is being he starts back tracking and saying that he didn't mean the words he said. He then claims that we have twisted it to mean something other than what he meant. Some how we are all supposed to see inside his mind and figure out what he meant regardless of the words he post.

 

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He's bill made over. Deny, avoid, twist, ignore. Doing the fundie two step.

Working girl, GBRK is an intellectual and only slums over here on occasion just to see what the primates are up to. He is on a much higher level of thinking than your companions here on the forum. He is limited in the amount of time he can give audience to you pipple.

He has the authority to, with only 90 days notice to the FCC, launch an orbiting radio station in space around the Earth.

Originally Posted by okuok:

Working girl, GBRK is an intellectual and only slums over here on occasion just to see what the primates are up to. He is on a much higher level of thinking than your companions here on the forum. He is limited in the amount of time he can give audience to you pipple.

He has the authority to, with only 90 days notice to the FCC, launch an orbiting radio station in space around the Earth.

After that reply you might reconsider changing your ID to "SilverTonguedDevil" however inappropriate that might be.  I also doubt that the radio space station will resonate with any of the natives either so I'll just stay content with F2 (depending on the sun), F1, D & E space surfing along with a glide on the ground wave every now and again.  Then again I guess I shouldn't concern myself at all with any of those terms or endeavors as I'm just some base dumb ole Christian Fundy who is perceived by many to do good to open the door and find the light switch.  Besides if I start talking UHF there will be one or two or more that will accuse me of invoking or infringing on Wierd Al Yankovic and that I'm going to start some television station as in his 1989 flick.

 

Continue on young(er) Skywalker and may the Force continue to be strong in you.  

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Originally Posted by gbrk:
Originally Posted by okuok:

Working girl, GBRK is an intellectual and only slums over here on occasion just to see what the primates are up to. He is on a much higher level of thinking than your companions here on the forum. He is limited in the amount of time he can give audience to you pipple.

He has the authority to, with only 90 days notice to the FCC, launch an orbiting radio station in space around the Earth.

After that reply you might reconsider changing your ID to "SilverTonguedDevil" however inappropriate that might be.  I also doubt that the radio space station will resonate with any of the natives either so I'll just stay content with F2 (depending on the sun), F1, D & E space surfing along with a glide on the ground wave every now and again.  Then again I guess I shouldn't concern myself at all with any of those terms or endeavors as I'm just some base dumb ole Christian Fundy who is perceived by many to do good to open the door and find the light switch.  Besides if I start talking UHF there will be one or two or more that will accuse me of invoking or infringing on Wierd Al Yankovic and that I'm going to start some television station as in his 1989 flick.

 

Continue on young(er) Skywalker and may the Force continue to be strong in you.  

 

 

 

How old are you two, to think HAM radio is still cool and cutting edge? Its not 1980 anymore...

 

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Ohhhhh.....that made me laugh.

Although it has nothing to do with the topic at hand it does deserve a reply.  

 

Therefore who is trying to claim it's cool or cutting edge?  What does age have to do with it also for I see articles about kids in middle school all the time that are joining the ranks of Radio Amateurs or HAM Radio as it's called by some.  It's participants though have been instrumental in many discoveries and technological advancements we all enjoy today that many consider cool.  Also Amateurs have also been instrumental throughout history in saving many lives and providing contact, even in the high technological age we are in, when all else fails, some consider that cool as well.  Volunteers who invest and spend their own money, many of which, to help assist others in times of dire need and distress and seek not recognition or reimbursement for doing so.  Radio Amateurs have also been "networking" long before that term was in vogue.  

 

It is a hobby or a status that is not so much considered cool but is considered by some as prestigious enough that it is recognized by each State Government with special license plates for recognition and designation in Emergency situations and additionally the Federal Government so much that they allot certain (very valuable) frequency spectrums for it's use and for experimentation.  

 

I am old enough to appreciate those that came before and paved the way for many electronic inventions and advancements which in some cases helped our Country gain an advantage in the wars that it has fought.  

 

I'm wondering what it says about someone who always consistently is looking for some kind of conflict, controversy or take an antagonistic approach to or in just about everything they post?  Sounds like someone that really needs to find something to do or lives miserable and desires to make as many others feel the same way in order that they won't be so solitary in their own condition.  

 

I'm glad we could amuse and it takes such little to amuse you.


DA, I'm going to be charitable toward you here, and assume you were unaware of all the good ham radio operators do. THEY SAVE LIVES. Instead of ridiculing GB, you should be THANKING him.

 

During any type of natural disaster, like tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, earthquakes, or floods, very often ALL communications are out EXCEPT ham radios. And ham radio operators are trained and ready to do whatever is necessary to help.

 

Here are just a few out of the hundreds of articles about what they have done, from Katrina to the April tornadoes in Alabama:

http://www.alabamawx.com/?p=47462

http://www.arrl.org/news/amate...new-mexico-wildfires

http://radio.about.com/od/amat...wave/a/aa090405a.htm

http://www.arrl.org/news/amate...ons-support-in-haiti

Originally Posted by O No!:


DA, I'm going to be charitable toward you here, and assume you were unaware of all the good ham radio operators do. THEY SAVE LIVES. Instead of ridiculing GB, you should be THANKING him.

 

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Yes, I'm sure all ham radio operators are Supermen who are just waiting to jump in a save people form disaster.  So THANK YOU, GBRK, for exposing yourself to danger and saving all those lives in all those disasters you've participated in. It must have been very difficult having to turn those knobs and stuff while under such tremendous pressure.

 

We non-HAM people simply do not possess the balls to do such a brave thing.

 

But you are still an idiot.  

Originally Posted by O No!:


DA, I'm going to be charitable toward you here, and assume you were unaware of all the good ham radio operators do. THEY SAVE LIVES. Instead of ridiculing GB, you should be THANKING him.

 

During any type of natural disaster, like tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, earthquakes, or floods, very often ALL communications are out EXCEPT ham radios. And ham radio operators are trained and ready to do whatever is necessary to help.

 

Here are just a few out of the hundreds of articles about what they have done, from Katrina to the April tornadoes in Alabama:

http://www.alabamawx.com/?p=47462

http://www.arrl.org/news/amate...new-mexico-wildfires

http://radio.about.com/od/amat...wave/a/aa090405a.htm

http://www.arrl.org/news/amate...ons-support-in-haiti

Ham radio operators do great things. That's beside the point. What did GB or rramm do with their ham radios during Katrina or the tornadoes to help make other people's lives better? 

What's the issue about us specifically anyway?   Is there some obsession here?   The DA referenced Ham Radio,  I, and others just answered that Hams do much good, we, and I never claimed to request any credit ourselves and we aren't trying to make it about ourselves nor is O NO so why do you wish to inject it?   What all did you do to assist the folks in Phil Campbell and Huntsville?   What's the purpose of your question anyway as none of this is germane to the topic at hand so you just appear to thrive on wanting to stir up some dissension so what does that say about you? 

 

Unlike you, O NO comprehended what DA was doing and responded to him, okuok and I never were an issue in it till you tried to bring us into it, and for what reason?  

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by O No!:


DA, I'm going to be charitable toward you here, and assume you were unaware of all the good ham radio operators do. THEY SAVE LIVES. Instead of ridiculing GB, you should be THANKING him.

 

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Yes, I'm sure all ham radio operators are Supermen who are just waiting to jump in a save people form disaster.  So THANK YOU, GBRK, for exposing yourself to danger and saving all those lives in all those disasters you've participated in. It must have been very difficult having to turn those knobs and stuff while under such tremendous pressure.

 

We non-HAM people simply do not possess the balls to do such a brave thing.

 

But you are still an idiot.  

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Unob, your true colors are showing. You don't like GB, so you you have to try to diminish anything he does. You sir, are one SMALL person.

 

Originally Posted by gbrk:

What's the issue about us specifically anyway?   Is there some obsession here?  

 

Nothing. Irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

 

The DA referenced Ham Radio,  I, and others just answered that Hams do much good, we, and I never claimed to request any credit ourselves and we aren't trying to make it about ourselves nor is O NO so why do you wish to inject it?  

 

I didn't. I'm only pointing out how it's irrelevant. I'm from Alabama, and many people from Alabama have done great things to make the world a better place. I'm not necessarily one of them. That's my point.

 

What all did you do to assist the folks in Phil Campbell and Huntsville?  

 

Speaking for myself, I probably did way more than you did to assist, but that's only a guess. If you did more than I did, I owe you and a guest of your choice dinner. Chances are, both of us did way less than we could have to help. That's true for me, but I can't speak for you. I know I didn't do half what my friends did. What's your point?

 

I didn't adequately answer the post/Question though.  It was directed to O NO but why the emphasis was upon okuok and myself is curious since I only responded to DA'a post about Ham Radio and HAM's in general and not specifically about myself or anyone locally.   I will answer the question as it should be answered.

Although you attempted to restrict the question specifically to okuok and myself any true HAM will answer in the same way.  We do nothing in and of ourselves but rather as a collective cohesive group, working together.  Alone you fail and when there is such a need as on April 27th there is no place for selfishness or hot dogging.  If you were a part of the operations and ongoing help there you saw many of us in the background, where we should be.

So what did the local HAMs do.    As a group we provided inter-department and served agency to served agency Communications for distribution and coordination of services and assets when it was needed to communicate between agencies that did not have a common frequency to communicate on.  They provided a way that family and loved ones to find out the health & welfare status of their friends, family, etc that were in the devastated area when services were so overloaded that there existed no cell phones or other phone service that would enable people to get word out that they were alright.  Communicated with and checked on availability of resources at various aid stations and hospitals and treatment centers as to the availability of space and services and status of supplies as well as County to County transfer of information between EMA Offices and Coordination centers.  Assisted in continual and ongoing reporting of damage assessment and search and retrieval for injured and then location of deceased along with firemen, FEMA, Red Cross, Church organizations and other agencies that were being directed by the local Emergency Coordinator and EMA Director.  Continued to pass health and welfare traffic on Statewide and nationwide national traffic systems on regular scheduled nets.  Transported and coordinated as well as providing generators and setting up temporary stations.   There is still much that I have missed and haven't reported but since you ask it deserved an answer about some of the activities that our local Hams provided the people in the counties south of us.   Not to mention that some of these activities were carried out from stations that were set up on the fly and remotely with antennas constructed by wire from various amateur operators and in all cases with equipment that was wholly purchased at the sole expense of each individual Amateur with the hope that one day they could actually volunteer to provide their equipment and resources, free of charge, to assist and help others in their time of need.  Each Amateur studied, learned, and developed a working knowledge of Electronics, Radio Operation, Rules and Regulations, Propagation and Antenna theory and took a battery of FCC Test in order to have the privilege to be able to provide a service that may not have been available otherwise.

 

The above not only happened here but Cullman, Huntsville, Birmingham, and Tuscaloosa as well as other areas of the state and touching areas and people from all over the country that were not able to contact their friends and loved ones here in Alabama.   

 

Okuok and myself we do nothing in and of ourselves but work with everyone else and as a whole help accomplish everything above and more.  As for what you did specifically that's admirable but if you want recognition for your specific accomplishments then go ahead and list them for all to see but I'm happy being a part of a group that functions as one together accomplish far more than any one of us individually.    

 

I fully believe that is what O No was responding with and saying to DA.  She, like I, read his post for what it was and responded as such.  She did not deserve being picked on for it either for doing so.  While I still didn't adequately address what various amateurs contributed and did I hope I was able to shed a little light on some of what services my fellow Amateurs helped provide.  Our rewards are not in individual accomplishments or recognition but rather the faces of those who lost everything but were so worried about their relatives thinking they might be dead and finding out they weren't.  Hearing the relief in the voices of people on the other end of the phone line when you deliver a message that their loved one, mother, father, sister, brother, etc was not hurt.  Our reward is feeling that somehow we have justified the confidence and belief that the Government has in our hobby to permit us to maintain bands of very expensive frequencies in order to do just what was done.  


I'm proud to be a member of such a service and group of wonderful volunteers and with I could highlight several of them individually.  No HAM Radio isn't COOL, as DA alluded to, but for many of those effected by the storms and troubles to strike Alabama in April HAM Radio operators did some Cool things.


Although it has nothing to do with the Subject of this topic the least I can do is shed some light on some very talented and wonderful people (men, women, and some very talented young people) and their unselfish efforts.  

Originally Posted by gbrk:

I didn't adequately answer the post/Question though.  It was directed to O NO but why the emphasis was upon okuok and myself is curious since I only responded to DA'a post about Ham Radio and HAM's in general and not specifically about myself or anyone locally.   I will answer the question as it should be answered.

Although you attempted to restrict the question specifically to okuok and myself any true HAM will answer in the same way.  We do nothing in and of ourselves but rather as a collective cohesive group, working together.  Alone you fail and when there is such a need as on April 27th there is no place for selfishness or hot dogging.  If you were a part of the operations and ongoing help there you saw many of us in the background, where we should be.

So what did the local HAMs do.    As a group we provided inter-department and served agency to served agency Communications for distribution and coordination of services and assets when it was needed to communicate between agencies that did not have a common frequency to communicate on.  They provided a way that family and loved ones to find out the health & welfare status of their friends, family, etc that were in the devastated area when services were so overloaded that there existed no cell phones or other phone service that would enable people to get word out that they were alright.  Communicated with and checked on availability of resources at various aid stations and hospitals and treatment centers as to the availability of space and services and status of supplies as well as County to County transfer of information between EMA Offices and Coordination centers.  Assisted in continual and ongoing reporting of damage assessment and search and retrieval for injured and then location of deceased along with firemen, FEMA, Red Cross, Church organizations and other agencies that were being directed by the local Emergency Coordinator and EMA Director.  Continued to pass health and welfare traffic on Statewide and nationwide national traffic systems on regular scheduled nets.  Transported and coordinated as well as providing generators and setting up temporary stations.   There is still much that I have missed and haven't reported but since you ask it deserved an answer about some of the activities that our local Hams provided the people in the counties south of us.   Not to mention that some of these activities were carried out from stations that were set up on the fly and remotely with antennas constructed by wire from various amateur operators and in all cases with equipment that was wholly purchased at the sole expense of each individual Amateur with the hope that one day they could actually volunteer to provide their equipment and resources, free of charge, to assist and help others in their time of need.  Each Amateur studied, learned, and developed a working knowledge of Electronics, Radio Operation, Rules and Regulations, Propagation and Antenna theory and took a battery of FCC Test in order to have the privilege to be able to provide a service that may not have been available otherwise.

 

The above not only happened here but Cullman, Huntsville, Birmingham, and Tuscaloosa as well as other areas of the state and touching areas and people from all over the country that were not able to contact their friends and loved ones here in Alabama.   

 

Okuok and myself we do nothing in and of ourselves but work with everyone else and as a whole help accomplish everything above and more.  As for what you did specifically that's admirable but if you want recognition for your specific accomplishments then go ahead and list them for all to see but I'm happy being a part of a group that functions as one together accomplish far more than any one of us individually.    

 

I fully believe that is what O No was responding with and saying to DA.  She, like I, read his post for what it was and responded as such.  She did not deserve being picked on for it either for doing so.  While I still didn't adequately address what various amateurs contributed and did I hope I was able to shed a little light on some of what services my fellow Amateurs helped provide.  Our rewards are not in individual accomplishments or recognition but rather the faces of those who lost everything but were so worried about their relatives thinking they might be dead and finding out they weren't.  Hearing the relief in the voices of people on the other end of the phone line when you deliver a message that their loved one, mother, father, sister, brother, etc was not hurt.  Our reward is feeling that somehow we have justified the confidence and belief that the Government has in our hobby to permit us to maintain bands of very expensive frequencies in order to do just what was done.  


I'm proud to be a member of such a service and group of wonderful volunteers and with I could highlight several of them individually.  No HAM Radio isn't COOL, as DA alluded to, but for many of those effected by the storms and troubles to strike Alabama in April HAM Radio operators did some Cool things.


Although it has nothing to do with the Subject of this topic the least I can do is shed some light on some very talented and wonderful people (men, women, and some very talented young people) and their unselfish efforts.  

If you're speaking of what you did with that group, then I thank you for it. Can you speak for what okuok did either individually or as a part of that group? All I heard him do was say what he saw which isn't the same as helping others. 

All Hams, as far as the ones I know, were involved in various parts from weeks before the Tornado, working the straight line winds and storms that preceded April 27 and the area 146.96 Moulton Repeater which is the main weather repeater for this North Alabama and is linked to several others around the state for coordination.  Various Amateurs were off and on during the April 27th event many working stations from their homes while others were in various and separate County Emergency Operation Centers, Healthcare facilities and stationed at various set up help and assistance centers.  Their work continued for weeks after.  The point is that many people that I never knew was active were there and offered help those days and weeks.  Many spent part time helping out their neighbors and then went home to work troubles at their own houses.   The point I was trying to make was in addressing DA's comment that various Ham Radio Operators don't spend the money on the equipment and study and take the test because they consider it Cool but they do so because they want to help and found a way that they can.  As a part of that community I wanted to defend the contribution of the many that i personally know and the others that I don't.  I don't know how many were working at any one time but I know we had in excess of 25 operators across the state, in their homes on their Radios and phones, that were working,  spending time trying to find relatives to let them know their loved ones were safe and some messages were actually passed using morse code but most were voice.  

 

In case of curiosity no messages are ever delivered, by Ham's, of a nature where a person is confirmed or specified as deceased for that is left for proper officials to do so.  If you ever hear from a HAM it's to report they are safe.  When possible Cell phones and other phones are used but when everything is out our volunteers use their personal equipment to get as many messages out as possible and to assist in various separate organizations communicating with each other.  Lately we don't do that as much as most Emergency Operation Centers have that function built into their design.  September 11, 2001 helped establish those ties and the money to accomplish that but there is still work for volunteers to assist with as each Local Emergency Manager deems necessary.  

 

Although okuok is concerned, I do know him personally, off the computer and he does contribute very much and often when he can.  People shouldn't forum opinions about people on here based on their Religious or Political opinions or beliefs and then allow that to bias your impression about that person in their private lives.  That's just unfair to them.  Not saying you did that either, but some do.

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